The Ugly Americans ...

  • GQjock

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    Oct 19, 2008 12:46 PM GMT
    Do think Obama voters have similar views of the other candidate?

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    Oct 19, 2008 4:34 PM GMT
    truth be told i'm sure there are equally ignorant people voting for barack... nontheless, those clips are both hysterical and scary.
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    Oct 19, 2008 4:53 PM GMT
    I would like to know the biographies/profiles of these people to know what kind of people just jump to the conclusion that Obama is a terrorist with no substantiation....why would someone want to do that?

    If when pressed for an answer, these people could justify their positions so that it showed they had thought it through and had a rationale, then I could at least respect them even though I disagreed with them. But when they proclaim that Barack is a terrorist and then can't say why they say that, I see these folks as mindless idiots.
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    Oct 19, 2008 4:53 PM GMT
    Freedom of expression is what I love about America.

    I actually prefer it when they get press in a sense so that we can see which talking points stick, which bigotries come out, and how inarticulate people really can be.

    There was a scene in an episode of Designing Women where Julia tells Bernice's niece, "...in the south, we don't hide our crazy people up in the attic. We bring'em right down for all the world to see...." I loved that episode.
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    Oct 19, 2008 5:16 PM GMT


    A good friend of mine "pushing his nose to the side w/ his finger" suggested that the persons interviewed for this so-called "documentary news footage" were, in fact, regular attendees that were coached and/or rehearsed for the camera.

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    Oct 19, 2008 5:47 PM GMT
    Well, here's something that's definitely real:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBgR6uO1E_A



  • boilerup_82

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    Oct 19, 2008 6:56 PM GMT
    yo_mamali saidtruth be told i'm sure there are equally ignorant people voting for barack... nontheless, those clips are both hysterical and scary.



    i completely agree. I'm 100% sure ignorance comes from both extreme conservatives and liberals. it's really sad people don't take few minutes of their time to learn about what is going on around them.

    regarding the obama ghost video, i'm just speechless. That's not freedom of speech whatsoever, that's simply hate...
  • Hunter9

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    Oct 19, 2008 7:45 PM GMT
    this makes me exponentially more excited to see obama become president. fuck those people. those are the same people who gave us 8 years of the most miserable leadership this Republic has ever seen. if they think they are going to suffer under obama (which they are unlikely to do) then good, let them suffer
  • TallGWMvballe...

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    Oct 19, 2008 8:20 PM GMT
    It is amazing and frightening that even several people on RJ have referred to the Democrats as against America, Marxists, Communists and socialists.

    WHERE is the fact supporting evidence of those accusations?

    Why do these people equate Obama with being a terrorist?


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    Oct 19, 2008 8:36 PM GMT
    I ARE embarrassed for them! icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 19, 2008 8:57 PM GMT
    GQjock saidDo think Obama voters have similar views of the other candidate?


    While I am sure there are fringe wackos in the Obama camp, it's also true that' the nature of the "wackiness" is far different. Listen to some of these people...."...he's got the right bloodline..." (to be a terrorist) "....from age 1 to 6 he was raised as a muslim...(terrorist)...." "...I know that Acorn propagated low income loans to people in the Chicago area four years ago..." (but when asked when she heard first of Acorn, she admitted "...today...." And on, and on.

    You'll note a common thread. Xenophobia, racism, judgment on the basis of opinion, while portraying such opinion as fact, misintormation, distortion, and, the ultimate refuge of the far right...."...get a job!..." or "...go to Russia...."

    While there are extremists and wack jobs on all sides of the political spectrum, it's also true that the wackiness of the right is based upon racism, prejudice, celebration of ignorance. I don't see much a difference between these people and the Susan-Sarandon-look-alike racist red neck video posted on another thread.

    These people make me ashamed to be an American.

    But as I posted on another thread, they'd be out in droves if Hilary Clinton was the Democratic candidate, perhaps to a greater degree. I've witnessed the same sort of mindless, enraged hatred towards the Clintons in middle America in my research trips to Kansas, Nebraska and Oklahoma. In fact, the hatred was so blinding, it was breath-taking.

    I have already voted Absentee. I am hoping that the polls will continue favorably and will be reflected by the election results. We have had to deal with sick wack jobs like these people controlling the country and making excuses for the present administration for 8 years. Perhaps our time has come finally.....

    John
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    Oct 20, 2008 5:58 AM GMT
    "he has the bloodlines"? these people really don't get it... i'm not for either one particularly strongly, but the republicans only use fear when trying to dispute him in every day speech... it's like all they can think of is "oh god, his father was a muslim" i don't get it...
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    Oct 20, 2008 6:42 AM GMT
    I do not get the whole "Ugly American" thing at all.

    Either you try to do the right thing, as best you can, or you do not. If, and I will just say if, the right thing objectively is not popular but is really objectively the right thing, should you not do it because it is not popular?

    When did doing the right thing become a popularity contest? I am not saying that anything America has done is either right or wrong. Maybe wrong. But should we decide right or wrong based on whether it will be popular?

    Getting involved in WWI and WWII were not popular here. I am sure Germany thought we were Ugly Americans getting involved in Europe's affairs. I am sure we were not popular in Bosnia. I am sure there were plenty of people calling us ugly Americans then also.

    If the world does not like us, I do not really care or lose sleep. Maybe people that want badly to be loved will, but I do not. People that see themselves as citizens of the world might hate the fact that some people hate us. OK. I understand that. Maybe we should base our foreign policy on what other countries think of us.

    We need friends. We need coalitions. But do we not do things that we feel we should do because we will not be popular? I guess we could be like the U.N. Let people die in Sudan and Darfur because we can not offend their governments. Instead, spend time attacking Isreal of all things.

    I am just glad I do not live in Darfur or any of the other hell holes that no one wants to offend.
  • EricLA

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    Oct 20, 2008 6:49 AM GMT
    I'm sure there are, but the Obama campaign isn't using fear the way the Republicans are. McCain and the Republicans really disgust me when they get desperate.
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    Oct 20, 2008 7:09 AM GMT
    Every campaign uses fear. The whole idea behind this blog is that we will not be popular among the rest of the world.

    Fear.

    Obama suggests that McCain wants to make the rich richer at the expense of the middle class.

    Fear.

    Obama suggests that McCain will get us into a war with Iraq.

    Fear.

    I could go on, but I am sure you get the point. Campaigns are all based on fear. Them against us. Rich vs. poor. Whatever.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 20, 2008 10:49 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidEvery campaign uses fear. The whole idea behind this blog is that we will not be popular among the rest of the world.

    Fear.

    Obama suggests that McCain wants to make the rich richer at the expense of the middle class.

    Fear.

    Obama suggests that McCain will get us into a war with Iraq.

    Fear.

    I could go on, but I am sure you get the point. Campaigns are all based on fear. Them against us. Rich vs. poor. Whatever.


    Fear: def ... a feeling of apprehension or disquiet regarding the unknown
    McCain's economic policy is based on economic tax cuts
    that WILL favor both the rich (Top 1%) and Corporations

    We are in a war in Iraq
    and McCain Will extend that war ... he's said so himself

    So that's not really fear
    rebuffing McCain's policies is just good judgement
    after all the Sh*t we've been thru
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    Oct 20, 2008 11:26 AM GMT
    No, it is fear-

    It always is. If McCain gets in office, according to you, WE FEAR that he will extend the war AND only give tax cuts to the top 1%. Bullshit, but it is fear. We fear that we will not get the tax cuts and we fear that the war will continue and somehow cost us.

    All politicians play on fear.
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    Oct 20, 2008 11:35 AM GMT
    I work for myself. I do not work for a corporation. But if I did, I would love for that corporation to get a tax cut. Then they can re-invest, pay me more, expand, hire more people, grow larger, ect. Why is that bad?

    For all those that work for corporations, do you hope that they get taxed more? It is that somehow going to help you out? Will you make more money if the corporation you work for gets hit with higher taxes? Will they spend more money on you? Will you somehow get better medical benefits if the corporation you work for gets hit with higher taxes? Will you get a raise if the corporation has less money due to taxes? Will that somehow help you?
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    Oct 20, 2008 6:05 PM GMT
    I am voting for Barack Obama because he is the single best person in the USA to run the country.
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    Oct 20, 2008 7:49 PM GMT
    I know that the world views as ugly Americans. I truely believe that only Barack Obama can restore our faith and restore the world's faith in us as the last benevolant Super Power in the World.
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    Oct 20, 2008 9:04 PM GMT
    We have one chance, one opportunity really, to shock the world. To say hey, this is AMERICA. This is who we are. Think what you want, but this is AMERICA going forward.....

    This is OUR President, Duly Elected, Barack Obama!

    He is us, and we are him. He is our guy, and he represents us! America in 2009 and beyond.

    WE are the America of hopes and dreams. The place of unlimited opportunity and endless possibilities.

    WE are the land without limits....

    Barack Obama is our President

    And we are Proud as hell