"JOE THE PLUMBER STRIKES BACK AT THE MEDIA!"

  • drakutis

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    Oct 19, 2008 6:20 PM GMT
    This has just turned into such a JOKE!!!!!

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-19-joe-the-plumber_N.htm


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    Oct 19, 2008 9:54 PM GMT
    Did he pay his taxes yet or get his plumber's license as required by the state of Ohio? icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 19, 2008 10:10 PM GMT
    I actually got a call friday from Rasmussen (the polling group). Besides my opinions about the Candidates I was asked to give favorable ratings for Obama, McCain, and .. you guessed it .. Joe the plumber icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 19, 2008 10:30 PM GMT
    I love picking on people like swinging pussy cats from their tails but this plumber dude makes it to fuck'n easy. I need my prey to have a little more substance.
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    Oct 19, 2008 10:35 PM GMT
    Alpha62667 saidI love picking on people like swinging pussy cats from their tails but this plumber dude makes it to fuck'n easy. I need my prey to have a little more substance.

    icon_eek.gif LOL
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    Oct 19, 2008 10:41 PM GMT
    Well, here's the thing. You have to be a serious fuckwit douche-nozzle to throw yourself into a major political discussion as a person of relevance and authority on an issue and not expect some sort of background check from the media.
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 19, 2008 11:00 PM GMT
    What's the old saying? Don't throw rocks in a glass house.

    Has anyone seen the video where Joe the Plumber asks Obama the tax question? Here it is:




    Okay, first, Joe's first question has a smug tone to it, doesn't it?

    Then Obama starts talking about small business 15% tax credit, which destroys McCains debate rhetoric. See McCain's reaction here:



    Another small note about Joe's posture, he crosses his arms when Obama starts talking about the small business tax credit. Isn't crossing arms a defensive posture?

    When McCain repeatedly named "Joe the Plumber" in the last debate, my first and only reaction was that Joe the Plumber is a Republican plant. How does a politician make a nobody that no one has heard of, except for possibly a few from the day before, how is that a debate centerpiece?
  • drakutis

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    Oct 19, 2008 11:21 PM GMT
    Did McCain have something in his eye? That was a lot of blinking going on there!
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    Oct 19, 2008 11:55 PM GMT
    drakutis saidDid McCain have something in his eye? That was a lot of blinking going on there!
    Yeah, it was truth trying to penetrate his vision icon_lol.gif
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 19, 2008 11:58 PM GMT
    In another post, I declared that it was morse code for "I'm a douche bag."
  • drakutis

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    Oct 20, 2008 12:18 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidWhat's the old saying? Don't throw rocks in a glass house.

    Has anyone seen the video where Joe the Plumber asks Obama the tax question? Here it is:




    Okay, first, Joe's first question has a smug tone to it, doesn't it?

    Then Obama starts talking about small business 15% tax credit, which destroys McCains debate rhetoric. See McCain's reaction here:



    Another small note about Joe's posture, he crosses his arms when Obama starts talking about the small business tax credit. Isn't crossing arms a defensive posture?

    When McCain repeatedly named "Joe the Plumber" in the last debate, my first and only reaction was that Joe the Plumber is a Republican plant. How does a politician make a nobody that no one has heard of, except for possibly a few from the day before, how is that a debate centerpiece?


    BOY, JOE JUST LIES!!!!!
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    Oct 20, 2008 12:20 AM GMT
    I don't feel sorry for him at all. He was in a public place, in a public forum, engaging a presidential candidate in a discussion. He injected himself, rather self-aggrandizingly, into the campaign. As such, he can expect to be quoted, videotaped, part of the story, etc. (Like that doltish woman who insisted Obama was an "Arab.") And guess what -- it's a story when the guy claiming to be the all-American plumber isn't a plumber after all.

    I'm sure he's upset the media didn't superimpose a glowing nimbus behind his head every time he spoke. I'm sure he would've preferred a phony portrayal as some sort of working-class hero. I'm sure he would've enjoyed his profit participation in Joe The Plumber Action Figures. Well, too bad. Why don't you just shut up and get your plumbing license?

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    Oct 20, 2008 1:05 AM GMT
    This whole Joe the plumber situation sounds very fishy to me. The thing he says sound very calculated to me. The way he plays victim by saying he's "just a plumber" is complete crap. He's not "just" a plumber, he's a guy who can afford to buy a business that makes $250K a year. If he does indeed qualify for a tax increase under Obama's plan, that means his earnings put him in the top 5% of the country. Just a plumber my ass.

    Then he mentions his support from his friends at the military. Can someone explain to me why in the world we should care that his friends are in the military? How is that relevant to the issue at hand? I get tired of how people try to pull our emotional strings by making references to the military.

    His comment on how "scary" it is that "you can't ask a question of your leaders anymore" suggests that you face consequences for questioning Obama. Bull. McCain was the one who, without asking for permission to talk about him, brought up the whole Joe the plumber issue during the debate. Obama's campaign has nothing to do with the attention this guy is receiving. If he really didn't like the attention, Joe would have already asked McCain to stop using him as a talking point and he would have already stopped giving interviews.
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    Oct 20, 2008 1:21 AM GMT
    Can you say Karol Rove Plant...cant wait to see the GOP explain this away. Typical of Republicans to lie and still to win.
  • SkyMiles

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    Oct 20, 2008 1:33 AM GMT
    ***sigh***

    This reminds me of the old saying:

    SILENCE IS GOLDEN, DUCT TAPE IS SILVER

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  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 20, 2008 4:10 AM GMT
    I love the irony here: John McCain uses Joe the Plumber to "expose" Obama's tax plan and it turns out that Joe the Plumber is past due in paying a tax of over $1100!!! I guess you can call McCain's exposure "plumber's crack." HAHAHAHA!


    Ignorance is bliss....icon_lol.gif


    One question for Joe the uncertified plumber: How can you buy a business if you can't/won't/don't pay your taxes?
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    Oct 20, 2008 4:27 AM GMT
    I don't get it, the point is Obama wants to raise taxes on more wealthy and perhaps more hard working citizens to help out the lazier less driven Americans. I think Joe is right when saying this is BS and is correct on the flat tax issue. I guess most of you realize that taxes were initially started during times of war and that is the only time we were supposed to be taxed. Somehow many many years ago the government said "hey we should take the peoples money all the time". Fair Tax is the only true way to tax everyone equally and that is what should happen for the US.
    If I work 80 hours a week and pay more taxes than someone working 20 hours a week simply because their ass is too sorry to put forth the time and effort then they need to eat beans and bread every night for supper, screw em'. The percentages should be the same and that is that. Anyone that says a Robin Hood type of living is fair needs to have their morals checked. I have friends that work sun up to sun down and for them to be taxed at a higher rate than someone not willing to flip burgers is a load of crap. We have become a nation full of pussies!
  • styrgan

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    Oct 20, 2008 4:44 AM GMT
    Chizzad saidI don't get it, the point is Obama wants to raise taxes on more wealthy and perhaps more hard working citizens to help out the lazier less driven Americans. I think Joe is right when saying this is BS and is correct on the flat tax issue. I guess most of you realize that taxes were initially started during times of war and that is the only time we were supposed to be taxed. Somehow many many years ago the government said "hey we should take the peoples money all the time". Fair Tax is the only true way to tax everyone equally and that is what should happen for the US.
    If I work 80 hours a week and pay more taxes than someone working 20 hours a week simply because their ass is too sorry to put forth the time and effort then they need to eat beans and bread every night for supper, screw em'. The percentages should be the same and that is that. Anyone that says a Robin Hood type of living is fair needs to have their morals checked. I have friends that work sun up to sun down and for them to be taxed at a higher rate than someone not willing to flip burgers is a load of crap. We have become a nation full of pussies!




    Progressive taxation is meant to be a stabilizer of income, which is in the country's best interest. People who make more money have more disposable income, and are therefore able to shoulder more of the tax burden more easily.

    If you have a decent-paying corporate job and take home $12,000 a month and I work at McDonalds and take home $1,000 a month, because of the capitalist system we live in, I already have to pay $500 rent and spend $300 on food for my family and so on. How much can your rent and food cost?

    The alternative to a progressive tax system is even more government welfare programs, more homelessness, and more social instability.

    Stop whining about paying 3% more in taxes.
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    Oct 20, 2008 5:33 AM GMT
    drakutis saidDid McCain have something in his eye? That was a lot of blinking going on there!


    he blinks on hard consonants... i think thats what it is, thats the closest i could figure out during the debate...
  • GQjock

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    Oct 20, 2008 5:11 PM GMT
    It's almost astounding that he's been exposed as a complete fraud

    ...no plumbers license
    ...doesn't make anywhere near 250k per year
    ... has outstanding unpaid taxes
    ... has ties to the Charles Keating (Keating 5) family

    BUT John McCain and Caribou Barbie STILL BRING UP HIS NAME !!!!!!!

    Do they live on Mars???
    It's like it doesn't matter what the papers say
    they just keep on pluggin ... and the knuckle draggers keep on listenin' I guess
  • auryn

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    Oct 20, 2008 5:24 PM GMT
    Alpha62667 saidI love picking on people like swinging pussy cats from their tails but this plumber dude makes it to fuck'n easy. I need my prey to have a little more substance.


    Yay! Alpha's back!!!
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    Oct 20, 2008 5:50 PM GMT
    Chizzad saidI don't get it, the point is Obama wants to raise taxes on more wealthy and perhaps more hard working citizens to help out the lazier less driven Americans. I think Joe is right when saying this is BS and is correct on the flat tax issue. I guess most of you realize that taxes were initially started during times of war and that is the only time we were supposed to be taxed. Somehow many many years ago the government said "hey we should take the peoples money all the time". Fair Tax is the only true way to tax everyone equally and that is what should happen for the US.
    If I work 80 hours a week and pay more taxes than someone working 20 hours a week simply because their ass is too sorry to put forth the time and effort then they need to eat beans and bread every night for supper, screw em'. The percentages should be the same and that is that. Anyone that says a Robin Hood type of living is fair needs to have their morals checked. I have friends that work sun up to sun down and for them to be taxed at a higher rate than someone not willing to flip burgers is a load of crap. We have become a nation full of pussies!


    Your whole argument rests on the assumption that rich people are rich because they are hard workers and middle class people are not wealthy because they're lazy. That's completely untrue. This past summer I spent some time at work with a guy that clocked 80 hours a week and only made a moderate income. This whole "flip burgers" is very unfair characterization of the middle class. Obama's tax increases will affect only those making more than $250K a year, and if you think that anyone who makes below that are people "not willing to flip burgers", you are completely detached from reality.

    And we're during times of war, so I don't know why you're bringing that up. We also have accrued a massive debt because of that war, and we have to come up with a way to pay it. That money isn't going to magically appear out of nowhere.

    I do agree with your point about equal taxation being more fair, but neither candidate is proposing that. McCain will not raise taxes but will continue the Bush administration's tax cuts for rich companies. Obama will cut taxes for the middle class and only raise it for people earning in the top 5% of the country. Given those two choices, in my opinion the middle class deserves those cuts more.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 20, 2008 8:00 PM GMT
    Chizzad said
    I don't get it, the point is Obama wants to raise taxes on more wealthy and perhaps more hard working citizens to help out the lazier less driven Americans.

    Then we shouldn't be handing Hundreds of Billions to people who basically played Craps with our money RIGHT?
    The republican party was is and always will be for corporatocracy
    and it's time for the corporate welfare mentality to die a quick death

    Undercover UK Tabloid Crashes AIG's Latest Boondoggle: $86K Bird Hunt At Fancy English Manor!
    Caroline Waxler | Oct 17, 2008
    AIG's latest excess was only for 8 people and cost over $10,000 a person. For a four day retreat!
    http://www.businesssheet.com/2008/10/undercover-uk-tabloid-crashes-aig-s-latest-boondoggle-86k-bird-hunt-at-fancy-english-manor-
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    GQjock saidChizzad said
    I don't get it, the point is Obama wants to raise taxes on more wealthy and perhaps more hard working citizens to help out the lazier less driven Americans.

    Then we shouldn't be handing Hundreds of Billions to people who basically played Craps with our money RIGHT?
    The republican party was is and always will be for corporatocracy
    and it's time for the corporate welfare mentality to die a quick death

    Undercover UK Tabloid Crashes AIG's Latest Boondoggle: $86K Bird Hunt At Fancy English Manor!
    Caroline Waxler | Oct 17, 2008
    AIG's latest excess was only for 8 people and cost over $10,000 a person. For a four day retreat!
    http://www.businesssheet.com/2008/10/undercover-uk-tabloid-crashes-aig-s-latest-boondoggle-86k-bird-hunt-at-fancy-english-manor-


    No shit, let me remind you that Obama and McCain both voted for this so it makes no since for either of them to use the bailout bitching in their speaches. That's two-faced and it took the majority to do that.
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    Oct 21, 2008 5:41 PM GMT
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    Chizzad saidI don't get it, the point is Obama wants to raise taxes on more wealthy and perhaps more hard working citizens to help out the lazier less driven Americans. I think Joe is right when saying this is BS and is correct on the flat tax issue. I guess most of you realize that taxes were initially started during times of war and that is the only time we were supposed to be taxed. Somehow many many years ago the government said "hey we should take the peoples money all the time". Fair Tax is the only true way to tax everyone equally and that is what should happen for the US.
    If I work 80 hours a week and pay more taxes than someone working 20 hours a week simply because their ass is too sorry to put forth the time and effort then they need to eat beans and bread every night for supper, screw em'. The percentages should be the same and that is that. Anyone that says a Robin Hood type of living is fair needs to have their morals checked. I have friends that work sun up to sun down and for them to be taxed at a higher rate than someone not willing to flip burgers is a load of crap. We have become a nation full of pussies!


    Your whole argument rests on the assumption that rich people are rich because they are hard workers and middle class people are not wealthy because they're lazy. That's completely untrue. This past summer I spent some time at work with a guy that clocked 80 hours a week and only made a moderate income. This whole "flip burgers" is very unfair characterization of the middle class. Obama's tax increases will affect only those making more than $250K a year, and if you think that anyone who makes below that are people "not willing to flip burgers", you are completely detached from reality.

    And we're during times of war, so I don't know why you're bringing that up. We also have accrued a massive debt because of that war, and we have to come up with a way to pay it. That money isn't going to magically appear out of nowhere.

    I do agree with your point about equal taxation being more fair, but neither candidate is proposing that. McCain will not raise taxes but will continue the Bush administration's tax cuts for rich companies. Obama will cut taxes for the middle class and only raise it for people earning in the top 5% of the country. Given those two choices, in my opinion the middle class deserves those cuts more.


    That is not my "assumption" it is partly the truth. Some people actually earn that money and should not be penalized for the lazy people that don't want to work because they turned 40 and decided, "I think I will go back to school" knowing the government will cover the cost. We are middle class by choice so don't blame the ones that did what it takes to get to the top. Get driven and make a change for yourself, don't expect Obama to do it for you. That top 5% already pays in more money at the same percentage so lets be real. Also with all the tax breaks Obamas plan gives that 5% it will work out to be less than before most likely which makes me think he is just trying to appeal to the middle class and seem to be doing for us.