Are men becoming too vain?

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    Apr 20, 2013 1:22 PM GMT
    Some men now have manicures and pedicures, use excessive amounts of fake tan or are sun-bed addicts, won’t go outside unless they’ve used teeth whitening toothpaste etc.

    US and UK reality TV shows demonstrate this.

    Does this put you off certain men? Should men be more blasé about these things?
  • kevmoran

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    Apr 20, 2013 1:42 PM GMT
    For one, it's a little sexist to feel that it's totally normal and acceptable for women to be doing all of those things, and criticize men for it. I would prefer that no one take it to those extremes, but men have as much right to as women.

    And vanity and hygiene are two very different things. Someone may do all these things and also be vain, but the two don't necessarily go together. The most vain men I've seen don't look that great to begin with.
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    Apr 20, 2013 1:47 PM GMT
    Yeah vanity and hygiene are two very different things, but think if I either a man or women if too vain and obsessed with their looks are shallow and too self-conscious. Probably some are people like that are pretenious too.

    Rugged blokes who don't give a fuck are tops. icon_neutral.gif but also there is nothing wrong with a certain amount of male grooming.
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    Apr 20, 2013 4:58 PM GMT
    I personally don't see anything wrong with someone who gets manicures, pedicures, teeth whiteneing, etc. There's nothing wrong with taking care of yourself. When you look good, you feel good. I'd rather have a guy who takes good care of and feels confident about himself.

    Yes, some do go a little overboard, which can be a problem. Some know how to keep their "superficiality" under control.
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    Apr 20, 2013 4:59 PM GMT
    globetrotter2012 saidRugged blokes who don't give a fuck are tops nelly bottoms.
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    No, men arent becoming vain but they are becoming very effeminate (in the traditional sense).

    Personally I prefer a guy who wants to go around and get all muddy as opposed to someone who wants a manicure or pedicure.

    Well, a pedicure is different, when on the swim team the women bought us one and they massage your feet and shit which is great but i would never pay for it.
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    McQueen said
    globetrotter2012 saidRugged blokes who don't give a fuck are tops nelly bottoms.
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    Yes, because being nelly and a bottom is an insult, thank you Andrew.

    And you wonder why our society is so fem phobic...
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    globetrotter2012 saidYeah vanity and hygiene are two very different things, but think if I either a man or women if too vain and obsessed with their looks are shallow and too self-conscious. Probably some are people like that are pretenious too.

    Rugged blokes who don't give a fuck are tops. icon_neutral.gif but also there is nothing wrong with a certain amount of male grooming.


    How many people do you actually know that do ANY of this?

    What are you basing your assumptions on?
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:03 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    McQueen said
    globetrotter2012 saidRugged blokes who don't give a fuck are tops nelly bottoms.
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    Yes, because being nelly and a bottom is an insult, thank you Andrew.
    And you wonder why our society is so fem phobic...
    I wasn't using it as an insult?
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:04 PM GMT
    Cash said
    globetrotter2012 saidYeah vanity and hygiene are two very different things, but think if I either a man or women if too vain and obsessed with their looks are shallow and too self-conscious. Probably some are people like that are pretenious too.

    Rugged blokes who don't give a fuck are tops. icon_neutral.gif but also there is nothing wrong with a certain amount of male grooming.


    How many people do you actually know that do ANY of this?

    What are you basing your assumptions on?


    I doubt he knows many guys who do this. I think he's basing his assumptions purely on Reality TV.
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:05 PM GMT
    I read some where that "Men are the new Women"... bahahahahahicon_wink.gif
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:05 PM GMT
    McQueen said
    Chainers said
    McQueen said
    globetrotter2012 saidRugged blokes who don't give a fuck are tops nelly bottoms.
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    Yes, because being nelly and a bottom is an insult, thank you Andrew.
    And you wonder why our society is so fem phobic...
    I wasn't using it as an insult?


    Sure you werent.
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:05 PM GMT
    No. People have their own tastes
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:05 PM GMT
    Becoming? Read some history books.

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    Apr 20, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
    Chainers saidSure you werent.
    I was using them as adjectives, just like "top" was used as an adjective and not an insult.
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
    Slim2010 said
    Cash said
    globetrotter2012 saidYeah vanity and hygiene are two very different things, but think if I either a man or women if too vain and obsessed with their looks are shallow and too self-conscious. Probably some are people like that are pretenious too.

    Rugged blokes who don't give a fuck are tops. icon_neutral.gif but also there is nothing wrong with a certain amount of male grooming.


    How many people do you actually know that do ANY of this?

    What are you basing your assumptions on?


    I doubt he knows many guys who do this. I think he's basing his assumptions purely on Reality TV.


    Well THAT seems reasonable...

    I know I make most of My life-decisions based on what the Kardashian sisters are up to...

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    Apr 20, 2013 5:11 PM GMT
    McQueen said
    Chainers saidSure you werent.
    I was using them as adjectives, just like "top" was used as an adjective and not an insult.


    I know you were just using it as an adjective, but the meaning behind it remains the same.

    We love to do this as a culture, to bring people down by calling them a bottom or so forth, as if it makes them less of a man or a degrading thing (despite the fact that tops still need bottoms to get off).

    We see it all the time in the masc/straight acting threads. "Oh straight acting just means you are a big old nelly bottom! Tee hee, I got them good!" when in actuality it further divides the culture into ridiculing anything we see as feminine and praising anything we see as masculine.

    To get back on track to the topic, I dont care if men want to prune themselves. Quite frankly I prefer rugged guys myself but they seem to like pretty boys so it is a two way street. Everyone should just stop caring so much about everyone else and let them be.
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    Apr 20, 2013 6:16 PM GMT
    desertmuscl saidBecoming? Read some history books.



    Seriously.

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    Apr 20, 2013 6:29 PM GMT
    Yeaaah, no. Got me using moisturizer, a philips bodygroomer, anything else...the guy will have to be pretty fucking amazing in the sac for me to change hahaa
  • whytehot

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    Apr 20, 2013 6:42 PM GMT
    Slim2010 saidWhen you look good, you feel good. I'd rather have a guy who takes good care of and feels confident about himself.


    The most confident people I know don't take care of themselves, and they aren't even that attractive to begin with. Confidence comes from within.
  • HottJoe

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    Apr 20, 2013 6:46 PM GMT
    There was one decade, the 90s, when men forgot to bathe. Just wait, it will come back!!!icon_confused.gif
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    Apr 20, 2013 6:48 PM GMT
    whytehot said
    Slim2010 saidWhen you look good, you feel good. I'd rather have a guy who takes good care of and feels confident about himself.


    The most confident people I know don't take care of themselves, and they aren't even that attractive to begin with. Confidence comes from within.


    Agreed, but there's plenty of people who start taking care of themselves to gain confidence.

    This can go either way.

    For example: an overweight teen who was made fun of everyday because of his size. Probabably isn't a very confident person. He starts hitting the gym/dieting, THEN he becomes a confident person.
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    Apr 20, 2013 6:52 PM GMT
    yes, yes, and yes. i'm all about taking care of the hygenie and all, of course BUT all this vanity and superficiality has got to go. it's very annoying and irritating. it's not ALL about looks. the fact that there's people that care about that shit too much makes me look dirty on purpose because it weeds out the people that seem to be into the bullshit from the people that have a brain on their shoulders. just so fucking tired of seeing people push that bs where you have to care about looking good in the face, having a nice body and people basically value you by how attractive they think you are. fuck worrying about looking pretty and etc. how about valuing me based off my mind, my personality, how i performed at work (when i had a job) and my abilities. if i'm an asshole to you, judge me off of that instead of my face. don't go like "you're ugly as fuck so that makes you a terrible person" or "you're cute so that means you have a bright future". cut that shit out.

    another thing that's irritating is how nowadays, people act as if there's a such thing as being attractive or ugly in everybody's eyes where it's factual. NO, NO, NO. it's all a matter of taste and opinions. one person might think you're cute. another person might think you're ugly. you can't win or lose everybody. i hate how people go like "you're ugly" and assume that everyone around them feels the same fucking way as they do. give it a break.

  • whytehot

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    Apr 20, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    Someone deciding not to be fat is quite different from someone who owns an assortment of face creams, anti-aging serums, teeth whiteners, colognes, etc
  • HottJoe

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    Apr 20, 2013 6:55 PM GMT
    whytehot saidSomeone deciding not to be fat is quite different from someone who owns an assortment of face creams, anti-aging serums, teeth whiteners, colognes, etc


    Right. The former should be encouraged and the latter should made to wear pink triangles!!!icon_mad.gificon_mad.gificon_mad.gif