Whats your faith ? ( christianity , islam ,judaism,or athiesm )

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    Apr 20, 2013 2:46 PM GMT
    just curious to know !

    im Arabian origined Iraqi Protestant of lakhmid tribe
    in short Christian
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    Apr 20, 2013 2:50 PM GMT

    Christian, but very likely not the kind you're familiar with.
    -Doug

    Bill is atheist.
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    Apr 20, 2013 2:53 PM GMT
    I know there is no god, but I'm no strong believer.
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    Apr 20, 2013 2:54 PM GMT
    Atheist
  • kevmoran

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    Apr 20, 2013 3:20 PM GMT
    Agnostic/Atheist
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    Apr 20, 2013 3:51 PM GMT
    Christian
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    Apr 20, 2013 3:52 PM GMT
    Agnostic Atheist.

    Inb4 thread full of flaming and feeling-hurting.
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    Apr 20, 2013 4:03 PM GMT
    Atheist (since the age of 14)
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:00 PM GMT
    I consider myself Agnostic, but I still fast on some of the Jewish holidays because that's how I was raised.
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:25 PM GMT
    The question that destroyed the world =_=
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    Apr 20, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    I'm Hindu
    but I believe in every religion (Hinduism, buddhism, Jainism, Christianity, sikhism, etc.) because all the religions speak about the same truth but in different ways.
  • PolaroidSwing...

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    Apr 20, 2013 6:24 PM GMT
    I'm an atheist, but that's not really a "faith".
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Apr 20, 2013 8:40 PM GMT
    Nichiren Diashonin Buddhist

  • Lincsbear

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    Apr 20, 2013 8:56 PM GMT
    Atheist, but sympathetic, with additions from Christianity, Buddhism, and paganism....

  • kevmoran

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    Apr 21, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
    JustTheTip saidNichiren Diashonin Buddhist


    Ten bucks says you just say that to sound quirky and cultural.
  • He_Man

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    Apr 21, 2013 2:41 AM GMT

    Uhm... Atheism has nothing to do with faith? Whenever I shave my head bald, I am not curious as to whether I still have hair or not. The lack of hair doesn't make me say, "hey, you like my new hairdo?" because I don't have a hairdo to begin with.

    "Calling atheism a faith is like calling bald a hair color."

    I'm a freethinker and a scientific skeptic. The closest I'll get to some kind of poetically-induced faith is with scientific pantheism, but then you may as well just call yourself an atheist.
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    Apr 21, 2013 3:15 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    He_Man said"Calling atheism a faith is like calling bald a hair color."

    Not sure about that....zero is still a number, and black is still a colour. If someone asks "what faith are you?" "Atheist" seems valid to me. icon_smile.gif


    Sorry, but "black" is technically not a color. Colors are wavelengths of light. Black is the absence of light and the result when no lightwaves are emitted or reflected.

    As to the number "0," even though it is a number in a mathematical sense, it's a human concept. "Zero" is the negation of something, thus lacking substance or "realness." It doesn't exist in nature.

    If I were to say that I have "zero" objects, then it can't be a factual statement because I can't have "zero" objects in reality. It's just a concept. You can't have "zero" objects because you wouldn't have anything to begin with. If I said that I have "one" object, then that "one" object is real, and I can demonstrate that "one" object. I can pick the object up and say, "here, I have 'one' object," which can't be stated with "zero" objects.
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    Apr 21, 2013 3:32 AM GMT
    Misplaced.
  • kevmoran

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    Apr 21, 2013 2:30 PM GMT
    He_Man said
    Uhm... Atheism has nothing to do with faith? Whenever I shave my head bald, I am not curious as to whether I still have hair or not. The lack of hair doesn't make me say, "hey, you like my new hairdo?" because I don't have a hairdo to begin with.

    "Calling atheism a faith is like calling bald a hair color."

    I'm a freethinker and a scientific skeptic. The closest I'll get to some kind of poetically-induced faith is with scientific pantheism, but then you may as well just call yourself an atheist.

    But if I asked someone what their hair color was, bald would be an acceptable answer.
  • He_Man

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    Apr 21, 2013 4:45 PM GMT
    kevmoran said
    He_Man said
    Uhm... Atheism has nothing to do with faith? Whenever I shave my head bald, I am not curious as to whether I still have hair or not. The lack of hair doesn't make me say, "hey, you like my new hairdo?" because I don't have a hairdo to begin with.

    "Calling atheism a faith is like calling bald a hair color."

    I'm a freethinker and a scientific skeptic. The closest I'll get to some kind of poetically-induced faith is with scientific pantheism, but then you may as well just call yourself an atheist.

    But if I asked someone what their hair color was, bald would be an acceptable answer.


    BALD is NOT a color, so, i'm sorry, how the hell can you say that being bald is "an acceptable answer" to being asked "what their hair color was"?

    BALD =/= Color

    You could have said, "if i asked someone what their hair [style] was, bald would be an acceptable answer," but again, bald is not a color.

    I can see that for many of you logic and mathematics weren't your strongest subjects in school? icon_twisted.gif

    "Faith" - a firm belief in something for which there is no proof; a belief which lacks evidence.

    "Where there is evidence, no one speaks of 'faith'. We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round. We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence." - Bertrand Russell

  • kevmoran

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    Apr 21, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    He_Man said

    BALD is NOT a color, so, i'm sorry, how the hell can you say that being bald is "an acceptable answer" to being asked "what their hair color was"?

    BALD =/= Color

    You could have said, "if i asked someone what their hair [style] was, bald would be an acceptable answer," but again, bald is not a color.

    I can see that for many of you logic and mathematics weren't your strongest subjects in school? icon_twisted.gif

    Then what should they say?

    I agree bald is not a color, but that doesn't mean it's not an answer! If I asked you what car you drive, you could say "I don't have a car". What else would you do, just stare blankly at me in silence?
  • He_Man

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    Apr 21, 2013 5:46 PM GMT
    kevmoran said
    He_Man said

    BALD is NOT a color, so, i'm sorry, how the hell can you say that being bald is "an acceptable answer" to being asked "what their hair color was"?

    BALD =/= Color

    You could have said, "if i asked someone what their hair [style] was, bald would be an acceptable answer," but again, bald is not a color.

    I can see that for many of you logic and mathematics weren't your strongest subjects in school? icon_twisted.gif

    Then what should they say?

    I agree bald is not a color, but that doesn't mean it's not an answer! If I asked you what car you drive, you could say "I don't have a car". What else would you do, just stare blankly at me in silence?



    You are creating a straw man argument. In the two sentences that you illustrated above, the direct object in both is a "car." "What car do you drive?" and "I don't have a car" Car = Car You have an affirmative statement followed by a negative statement, which then balances out. We were originally talking about analogies: "Calling atheism a faith is like calling bald a hair color." The analogy is that "atheism" is to a faith as "bald" is to a hair color. Atheism isn't a faith-based belief system, just as being bald is NOT a hair color. It's nothing like your "car" question, thus a straw man.

    I don't believe in faeries, so by that logic, I have "faith" in faeries?
    I don't believe in unicorns, so by that logic, I have "faith" in unicorns?
    I don't believe in vampires, so by that logic, I have "faith" in vampires?
    I don't believe in magic, so by that logic, I have "faith" in magic?

    Ad infinitum....
  • kevmoran

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    Apr 21, 2013 7:28 PM GMT
    He_Man saidYou are creating a straw man argument. In the two sentences that you illustrated above, the direct object in both is a "car." "What car do you drive?" and "I don't have a car" Car = Car You have an affirmative statement followed by a negative statement, which then balances out. We were originally talking about analogies: "Calling atheism a faith is like calling bald a hair color." The analogy is that "atheism" is to a faith as "bald" is to a hair color. Atheism isn't a faith-based belief system, just as being bald is NOT a hair color. It's nothing like your "car" question, thus a straw man.

    I don't believe in faeries, so by that logic, I have "faith" in faeries?
    I don't believe in unicorns, so by that logic, I have "faith" in unicorns?
    I don't believe in vampires, so by that logic, I have "faith" in vampires?
    I don't believe in magic, so by that logic, I have "faith" in magic?

    Ad infinitum....

    I'll admit when I've been out-debated, damn. icon_lol.gif Cars probably weren't the best analogy to use.

    And what should I say if someone asks what my faith is if Atheism isn't an acceptable answer?

    But seriously that was a pretty well-constructed argument. I've never really read too many of your forum posts but I can see you are pretty intelligent and know your shit.
  • He_Man

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    Apr 21, 2013 8:45 PM GMT
    kevmoran said
    He_Man said


    And what should I say if someone asks what my faith is if Atheism isn't an acceptable answer?

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    It's not that atheism isn't an acceptable answer, because you can definitely say that you're an atheist, but I always try to reiterate that atheism, itself, is not a faith-based belief system. It's really an epistemological position.

    Theists love to argue that "Atheism" is the NEW religion, which is absurd, so I always try to explain to them the difference between faith, knowledge and atheism vs. theism. Theists like to oversimplify everything and claim that atheism is just another belief system like theirs; however, theirs is the real truth, and ours is just bad logic and misunderstandings.

    Whenever someone asks me what "faith" I am, I simply respond that I don't have a"faith." I am faithless or a non-believer. I am a freethinker -- that is, my philosophical worldview is that my opinions should be based on rationality, reason, logic and empiricism, not on religious dogma, creeds, church authority or traditions.

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    Apr 21, 2013 11:09 PM GMT
    Christian.

    And I believe the Bible to be a true document.

    For example, it talks about Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Rebekah, Jacob and Leah, the three founding couples of the nation of Israel, all buried in the Cave of Machpelah located at Hebron.

    By 6BC Herod the Great had a fortress built over the sealed mouth of the cave. It is still there to this day, used as a mosque by the Arabs and, I believe, a synagogue by the Jews.

    If you disbelieve the churches, but still demand proof of the verity of the Bible, look to the Jews, the nation of Israel and visit the fortress of Machpelah.

    And also Jerusalem, where the Dome of the Rock now stands, the Al Haram Al Sharif is the site of the Temple King Solomon had built, and the Second Temple was built at the same site as the first, with which Jesus and his disciples were well acquainted.

    I have found that living in the Holy Land for a few months was spiritually uplifting.

    Oh well, here comes a load of stick...