An Interesting Perspective on Homophobia

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    Apr 20, 2013 3:37 PM GMT


    I've never thought of this:

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    Apr 20, 2013 3:46 PM GMT
    There is a fair bit of truth in this small article , thanks for posting it ..
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    Apr 20, 2013 3:48 PM GMT
    neffa saidThere is a fair bit of truth in this small article , thanks for posting it ..


    I'm still digesting this; it does make a good point, I think.
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    Apr 20, 2013 3:48 PM GMT
    So, homophobes are not secretly gay, they are potential rapists? That's going to be popular.
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    Apr 20, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
    bhp91126 saidSo, homophobes are not secretly gay, they are potential rapists? That's going to be popular.


    lol, well the homophobes have a choice of reasons now, isn't that great? icon_lol.gificon_wink.gif
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    Apr 20, 2013 4:49 PM GMT
    How interesting, thanks for posting.
  • ASHDOD

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    Apr 20, 2013 5:14 PM GMT
    there is some thruth in that, but i there are very big man who arent intimidated phisicaly by other man,and they are still homophobes. icon_eek.gif
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:15 PM GMT
    This isn't exactly a new idea. It is a feminist perspective.

    It has to do with sexual objectification. Most straight men do it to women all the time and think little to nothing of it. But when it happens to them from men (i.e., unwanted attention or advances), they feel the discomfort. One needn't take it to the extreme possibility of rape.

    There is a question we might all consider about how we as gay men sexually objectify one another. As has been pointed out in various threads, we don't mind it so long as it is reciprocated. But when it isn't, there can be discomfort to the point of feeling "creeped out" about it.

    Also, I'd say homophobia is very complicated, or at least not as simple as put in that short piece. Definitely 'fear' on some level is part of it. But where does that 'fear' come from? How is it that at one point in Western civilization sexual activity between men was so common it didn't have a 'name' attached to it but over the course of two millennia this activity became highly repressed and oppressed by the same civilization?
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:17 PM GMT
    bhp91126 saidSo, homophobes are not secretly gay, they are potential rapists? That's going to be popular.



    Lets take a look at the statistiques ....


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    Apr 20, 2013 5:40 PM GMT
    charlitos said
    bhp91126 saidSo, homophobes are not secretly gay, they are potential rapists? That's going to be popular.

    Lets take a look at the statistiques ....

    A popularity contest?
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    Apr 20, 2013 5:44 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    I've never thought of this:

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    I've heard this before and on some level I think it's true but the consider this statement: You're not a homophobe. You're not afraid of anything. You're just an asshole.

    Although I think some men are afraid of gay men's advances because some of them may actually like the attention and want the man back.
  • Lincsbear

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    Apr 20, 2013 8:45 PM GMT
    There was something along these lines in the UK in the late`90s with the public debates on gay men serving openly in the military: close, intense living and all the risks of unwanted sexual advances from gay men towards straight guys. How fighting capabilities/morale would be damaged. And how awful that would be....

    Yet at the same time many of these straight guys thought women`s complaints about the above overdone!

    From what I`ve read, the front line is the place least likely to see unwanted sexual activity-they have more important things to worry about- like the enemy.

    I think Christianity and the church have played quite a role in promoting this 'fear', especially with its emphasis on only 'procreative' sex.
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    Apr 20, 2013 8:53 PM GMT
    that's very true. icon_cry.gif when i was in deep denial, i would get terrified of gay people for that very reason. i was insecure with who i was and i feared that someone would hold that mirror to my face to make me see it if they knew it. homophobia for some men is basically a defensive thinking to keep them from accepting who they are. it was easy for me to live a lie by being homophobic although i did feel pain when saying homophobic things because i knew i was talking about myself.
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    Apr 20, 2013 9:05 PM GMT
    So for every woman every man is a potential rapist?! And for every straight homophobe man a gay man is a potential rapist?!

    I'm glad I left the straight world. Dem breeders is cray cray. I'm not buying this crap. I may be over reaching here but the woman in the article sounds like a 1970s feminist man hater.

    I'm calling BS on this one.
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    Apr 20, 2013 9:08 PM GMT
    Definitely an interesting perspective and thought provoking article. I certainly never thought of women being that fearful but it does sort of make sense. Wow, it's actually pretty sad icon_sad.gif Although I feel there are many reasons for some to be homophobic, this certainly could be one.
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    Apr 20, 2013 9:09 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidSo for every woman every man is a potential rapist?! And for every straight homophobe man a gay man is a potential rapist?!

    I'm glad I left the straight world. Dem breeders is cray cray. I'm not buying this crap. I may be over reaching here but the woman in the article sounds like a 1970s feminist man hater.

    I'm calling BS on this one.


    I wouldn't call total bullshit. Just a half bullshit. I mean there is some merit to it. There are some men truly afraid of being manhandled in the gayest way imaginable. And yet there are others who are simply cosmically created assholes and we need to accept that as well.
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    Apr 20, 2013 9:21 PM GMT
    I never thought of it that way. I do think a lot of straight men actually enjoy the objectification though. You see it all the time on Instagram and picture based sites. Although obviously it's not on the same level as it is with women- patriarchal society etc.
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    Apr 20, 2013 9:35 PM GMT
    I can't believe that the average woman lives with such constant fear. Is life really worth living with this much fear? But, an interesting way of looking at things, I guess.
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    Apr 20, 2013 10:14 PM GMT
    thoughtful !!
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    Apr 20, 2013 10:46 PM GMT
    Food for thought, thanks!
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    Apr 20, 2013 11:03 PM GMT
    I think calling homophobia a fear that is rooted in being treated like a woman is over simplistic. There is some merit in what it being said, but homophobia goes deeper, and really isn't about fear. In fact, the use of the word homophobia is problematic. It creates an idea that there is an irrational fear that the person cannot control. It takes away accountability from the person with the problem, and in a sense gives him a subconscious pass for his attitudes and beliefs. It's interesting how the hate and violence associated with anti-gay attitudes is separated from the heterosexism; which gives heterosexism a "lighter" tone. The hate and violence associated with other "-isms" isn't separated, and for good reasons. They aren't separable.
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    Apr 20, 2013 11:56 PM GMT
    nathanxq28 saidI think calling homophobia a fear that is rooted in being treated like a woman is over simplistic. There is some merit in what it being said, but homophobia goes deeper, and really isn't about fear. In fact, the use of the word homophobia is problematic. It creates an idea that there is an irrational fear that the person cannot control. It takes away accountability from the person with the problem, and in a sense gives him a subconscious pass for his attitudes and beliefs. It's interesting how the hate and violence associated with anti-gay attitudes is separated from the heterosexism; which gives heterosexism a "lighter" tone. The hate and violence associated with other "-isms" isn't separated, and for good reasons. They aren't separable.


    In most cases it is what it comes down to. Homophobes avoid gays because they think these gays will hit on them. Not always the case but for the most part that's the source of the fear.
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    Apr 21, 2013 12:11 AM GMT
    nathanxq28 saidI think calling homophobia a fear that is rooted in being treated like a woman is over simplistic. There is some merit in what it being said, but homophobia goes deeper, and really isn't about fear. In fact, the use of the word homophobia is problematic. It creates an idea that there is an irrational fear that the person cannot control. It takes away accountability from the person with the problem, and in a sense gives him a subconscious pass for his attitudes and beliefs. It's interesting how the hate and violence associated with anti-gay attitudes is separated from the heterosexism; which gives heterosexism a "lighter" tone. The hate and violence associated with other "-isms" isn't separated, and for good reasons. They aren't separable.


    Actually, I'm going to risk and say most cases of homophobia are an irrational fear where just because a man is gay, he will definitely hit on you. That's one way to put it.
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    Apr 21, 2013 12:12 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    nathanxq28 saidI think calling homophobia a fear that is rooted in being treated like a woman is over simplistic. There is some merit in what it being said, but homophobia goes deeper, and really isn't about fear. In fact, the use of the word homophobia is problematic. It creates an idea that there is an irrational fear that the person cannot control. It takes away accountability from the person with the problem, and in a sense gives him a subconscious pass for his attitudes and beliefs. It's interesting how the hate and violence associated with anti-gay attitudes is separated from the heterosexism; which gives heterosexism a "lighter" tone. The hate and violence associated with other "-isms" isn't separated, and for good reasons. They aren't separable.


    In most cases it is what it comes down to. Homophobes avoid gays because they think these gays will hit on them. Not always the case but for the most part that's the source of the fear.


    I use the term homophobia for some, and homobigotry for others. The first is fear based, the second is hate based.

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    Apr 21, 2013 12:14 AM GMT
    ASHDOD saidthere is some thruth in that, but i there are very big man who arent intimidated phisicaly by other man,and they are still homophobes. icon_eek.gif


    True. The above analysis in the original post is somewhat simplistic. There are also plenty of female homophobes.