Public support for gun control ebbs

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    Apr 23, 2013 2:55 AM GMT
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/04/22/usa-today-poll-finds-support-for-gun-control-ebbs-backing-for-immigration-bill-strong/2103419/
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    Apr 23, 2013 1:52 PM GMT
    It is not surprising to see the support for new gun control to ebb. After all, Dems are now focused on banning pressure cookers.
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    Apr 23, 2013 2:37 PM GMT
    Republicans rightly remind us that not all bomb makers are like the Brothers Tsarnaev.

    We should not punish the many bomb-making hobbyists who enjoy the thrill of a good Kaboom!!! and whose destructiveness is not wired to any religious or political ideology.

    Good and decent citizens who want to blow things up WITHOUT BEING TRACED can thank the NRA and its Republican allies for making this God-given right possible.


    [url]http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-the-nra-impeded-the-boston-bomber-investigation/2/
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    "After the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, federal agents had a tough time tracing the fertilizer used to make the bomb that killed 168 people and injured 680 more because the NRA had fought using identifiers for explosives."
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    Apr 23, 2013 2:43 PM GMT

    http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-the-nra-impeded-the-boston-bomber-investigation/2/

    Ooops, indeed.
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    Apr 23, 2013 2:56 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-the-nra-impeded-the-boston-bomber-investigation/2/

    Ooops, indeed.


    While the fact that nationalmemo is as left wing newsletter isn't a problem in itself, unfortunately it makes a number of unreferenced risable claims. Too bad that even gun control in this case wouldn't have helped but I'm sure liberals would have blamed the NRA too.
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    Apr 23, 2013 3:01 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    meninlove said
    http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-the-nra-impeded-the-boston-bomber-investigation/2/

    Ooops, indeed.


    While the fact that nationalmemo is as left wing newsletter isn't a problem in itself, unfortunately it makes a number of unreferenced risable claims. Too bad that even gun control in this case wouldn't have helped but I'm sure liberals would have blamed the NRA too.


    Uhhh riddler, you know this article referenced by blueblazer is to make a point about taggarts, and not gun control right?
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    Apr 23, 2013 3:14 PM GMT
    As the National Explosives Association says:

    "Let Government Take Away Your Bombs

    and soon they'll be coming for your firecrackers."


    IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
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    Apr 23, 2013 3:24 PM GMT
    blazerblue saidAs the National Explosives Association says:

    "Let Government Take Away Your Bombs

    and soon they'll be coming for your firecrackers."


    IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE.


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    Apr 23, 2013 3:28 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    riddler78 said
    meninlove said
    http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-the-nra-impeded-the-boston-bomber-investigation/2/

    Ooops, indeed.


    While the fact that nationalmemo is as left wing newsletter isn't a problem in itself, unfortunately it makes a number of unreferenced risable claims. Too bad that even gun control in this case wouldn't have helped but I'm sure liberals would have blamed the NRA too.


    Uhhh riddler, you know this article referenced by blueblazer is to make a point about taggarts, and not gun control right?


    Yep - and it's about context. The gun bill also failed this week. The article argues for other restrictions and effectively claims that NRA wanted to avoid putting identifiers at the behest of nameless corporate supporters - as if these restrictions would have done any better than gun control. The attempts to blame the NRA for everything speaks more to those pointing the finger than the NRA.
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    Apr 23, 2013 3:33 PM GMT
    *looks at Riddler's red herring* Sorry, I'm immune to the smell.
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    Apr 23, 2013 6:41 PM GMT
    Good cuz gun control is just controlling guns for everyone else cuz criminals still gonna get guns whatever the law is.
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    Apr 23, 2013 6:43 PM GMT
    Unfortunate indeed... I absolutely despise the NRA.. and I own a 12 guage shotgun and like owning it.
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    Apr 23, 2013 6:56 PM GMT
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/politics/al-qaeda-video

    And there you have it.

    My job is done here.
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    Apr 23, 2013 7:00 PM GMT
    credo saidhttp://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/politics/al-qaeda-video

    And there you have it.

    My job is done here.


    From your link:
    Still, Gadahn was wrong about the ease of buying a fully automatic weapon. It is illegal under federal law to do so from anyone but a specially-licensed dealer, and additional permission is required as is a background check.

    Are they legal? Yes. Are they as easily obtainable as Gadahn suggests? No.
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    Apr 23, 2013 7:04 PM GMT
    CharleyChase90232 saidGood cuz gun control is just controlling guns for everyone else cuz criminals still gonna get guns whatever the law is.


    Criminals still gonna be trying to commit crimes
    But it don't mean we gotta be givin' up
    On tryin' to stop 'em.
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    Apr 23, 2013 7:06 PM GMT
    Might as well outlaw milk cuz it will do just as much to stop criminals from getting guns LOL
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    Apr 23, 2013 7:24 PM GMT
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    credo saidhttp://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/politics/al-qaeda-video

    And there you have it.

    My job is done here.


    From your link:
    Still, Gadahn was wrong about the ease of buying a fully automatic weapon. It is illegal under federal law to do so from anyone but a specially-licensed dealer, and additional permission is required as is a background check.

    Are they legal? Yes. Are they as easily obtainable as Gadahn suggests? No.


    All that matters is that they're legal. Nothing else is relevant. Surely, even your small mind can grasp this.
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    Apr 23, 2013 8:00 PM GMT
    credo said
    riddler78 said
    credo saidhttp://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/politics/al-qaeda-video

    And there you have it.

    My job is done here.


    From your link:
    Still, Gadahn was wrong about the ease of buying a fully automatic weapon. It is illegal under federal law to do so from anyone but a specially-licensed dealer, and additional permission is required as is a background check.

    Are they legal? Yes. Are they as easily obtainable as Gadahn suggests? No.


    All that matters is that they're legal. Nothing else is relevant. Surely, even your small mind can grasp this.


    And as your small mind can grasp, just because it exists doesn't mean that it can be used for "bad". To paraphrase one of the founding fathers of your country: "those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for temporary security deserve neither".
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    Apr 23, 2013 8:04 PM GMT
    Maybe in the US.

    The rest of the world is quite OK with keeping weapons of war off our streets.

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    Apr 23, 2013 8:15 PM GMT
    riddler78 said


    From your link:
    Still, Gadahn was wrong about the ease of buying a fully automatic weapon. It is illegal under federal law to do so from anyone but a specially-licensed dealer, and additional permission is required as is a background check.

    Are they legal? Yes. Are they as easily obtainable as Gadahn suggests? No.



    riddler, You are arguing that A FEDERAL LAW REQUIRING A BACKGROUND CHECK has made fully automatic weapons less easily obtainable by potential terrorists.

    Bravo!

    YOU'VE MADE A COMPELLING CASE FOR BACKGROUND CHECKS.

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    Apr 23, 2013 8:22 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said


    From your link:
    Still, Gadahn was wrong about the ease of buying a fully automatic weapon. It is illegal under federal law to do so from anyone but a specially-licensed dealer, and additional permission is required as is a background check.

    Are they legal? Yes. Are they as easily obtainable as Gadahn suggests? No.



    riddler, You are arguing that A FEDERAL LAW REQUIRING A BACKGROUND CHECK has made fully automatic weapons less easily obtainable by potential terrorists.

    Bravo!

    YOU'VE MADE A COMPELLING CASE FOR BACKGROUND CHECKS.



    lol, I don't think he planned on that.
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    Apr 23, 2013 11:14 PM GMT
    Shhhh ... you guys are spoiling the fun.
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    Apr 24, 2013 12:34 PM GMT
    blazerblue said
    riddler78 said


    From your link:
    Still, Gadahn was wrong about the ease of buying a fully automatic weapon. It is illegal under federal law to do so from anyone but a specially-licensed dealer, and additional permission is required as is a background check.

    Are they legal? Yes. Are they as easily obtainable as Gadahn suggests? No.



    riddler, You are arguing that A FEDERAL LAW REQUIRING A BACKGROUND CHECK has made fully automatic weapons less easily obtainable by potential terrorists.

    Bravo!

    YOU'VE MADE A COMPELLING CASE FOR BACKGROUND CHECKS.



    Have I? And these restrictions have helped in this case how...?
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    Apr 24, 2013 1:13 PM GMT
    "Have I? And these restrictions have helped in this case how...?" *

    * Let's review your argument.

    "Still, Gadahn was wrong about the ease of buying a fully automatic weapon. It is illegal under federal law to do so from anyone but a specially-licensed dealer, and additional permission is required as is a background check.

    Are they legal? Yes. Are they as easily obtainable as Gadahn suggests? No."


    Your statement was clear enough the first time. Federal restrictions, including background checks, make fully automatic weapons less easily obtainable.

    There's really no need to argue with yourself or try to muddle your own thinking. Recognizing the sanity of background checks is actually a pretty conservative position which even the NRA endorsed, before some Democrat somewhere made the mistake of also saying that it was a good idea.
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    blazerblue said"Have I? And these restrictions have helped in this case how...?" *

    * Let's review your argument.

    "Still, Gadahn was wrong about the ease of buying a fully automatic weapon. It is illegal under federal law to do so from anyone but a specially-licensed dealer, and additional permission is required as is a background check.

    Are they legal? Yes. Are they as easily obtainable as Gadahn suggests? No."


    Your statement was clear enough the first time. Federal restrictions, including background checks, make fully automatic weapons less easily obtainable.

    There's really no need to argue with yourself or try to muddle your own thinking. Recognizing the sanity of background checks is actually a pretty conservative position which even the NRA endorsed, before some Democrat somewhere made the mistake of also saying that it was a good idea.


    Sorry, what was my argument in response to? You seem to have missed that. You may be able to easily fool those like meninlove, but don't talk about muddled thinking until you untangle your own. icon_rolleyes.gif