Do you think the gay/straight labels are on the way out?

  • greeeeeey

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    Apr 23, 2013 4:24 AM GMT
    I mean what a drag it is to belong to one team or the other, what if you just love people? Or you fall for someone you didn't expect that differs from the views and ideals of whatever "team" your on?

    Also surely eliminating the lines between gay and straight could only help iron out the problems and discriminations between them?

    What do you think?
  • PolaroidSwing...

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    Apr 23, 2013 4:25 AM GMT
    You mean pansexuality?
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    Apr 23, 2013 4:26 AM GMT
    I don't think so. I think as long as there is a civilization people are going to want terms to identify themselves.
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    Apr 23, 2013 4:32 AM GMT
    yeah, when the world ends.
  • MikeW

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    Apr 23, 2013 4:33 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidI don't think so. I think as long as there is a civilization people are going to want terms to identify themselves.

    Except that 2,000 years ago there was no such designation. Men having sex with other men, however, was common.
  • greeeeeey

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    Apr 23, 2013 5:47 AM GMT
    Yeah
    I heard it wasn't too long ago that we really separated the two
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    Apr 23, 2013 5:50 AM GMT
    MikeW said
    MashogaNubianPrince saidI don't think so. I think as long as there is a civilization people are going to want terms to identify themselves.

    Except that 2,000 years ago there was no such designation. Men having sex with other men, however, was common.


    Men also weren't in relationships that resembled marital relationships and raised families together in the way gays do now. Sure they had sex with one another but it wasn't like it was ancient West Hollywood.
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    Apr 23, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
    Greeeeeey saidI mean what a drag it is to belong to one team or the other, what if you just love people? Or you fall for someone you didn't expect that differs from the views and ideals of whatever "team" your on?

    Also surely eliminating the lines between gay and straight could only help iron out the problems and discriminations between them?

    What do you think?


    For you perhaps it's a drag, for others it's assuredly not. Gay and straight are merely the polar ends of a vast spectrum of bisexuality.
  • Fable

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    Apr 23, 2013 3:33 PM GMT
    ^ you mean sexuality
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    Apr 23, 2013 3:35 PM GMT
    fable said^ you mean sexuality


    Nope. Bisexuality.

  • Fable

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    Apr 23, 2013 3:41 PM GMT
    while its just arguing semantics, have a quick google search. You will see that I am correct.

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    Apr 23, 2013 3:44 PM GMT
    fable saidwhile its just arguing semantics, have a quick google search. You will see that I am correct.



    Fable, sexuality encompasses everything from multiple fetishes (which are often pansexual) and would also have to include bestiality and pedophilia, so in this instance, no.

    He's talking about same sex attraction and opposite sex attraction, and hasn't mentioned anything else. icon_wink.gif
  • stratavos

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    Apr 23, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    fable saidwhile its just arguing semantics, have a quick google search. You will see that I am correct.



    Fable, sexuality encompasses everything from multiple fetishes (which are often pansexual) and would also have to include bestiality and pedophilia, so in this instance, no.

    He's talking about same sex attraction and opposite sex attraction, and hasn't mentioned anything else. icon_wink.gif


    *high5 motion*
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    Apr 23, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
    Greeeeeey saidI mean what a drag it is to belong to one team or the other, what if you just love people? Or you fall for someone you didn't expect that differs from the views and ideals of whatever "team" your on?

    Also surely eliminating the lines between gay and straight could only help iron out the problems and discriminations between them?

    What do you think?


    Well, probably not. Humans naturally categorize things, it part of how we evolved. As much as we'd like to say we should not label, labeling certainly helps us understand our world (hence the evolutionary reason for it).

    Also, a less thoughtful answer I can give is this: We still label people as white, black, Latino, Asian, brown, etc. and those designation have been more open than the gay/straight thing for a longer period of time.

    I doubt these labels will go away, and honestly, I do not feel they necessarily have to.
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    Apr 23, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
    I think the progress made towards acceptance of the broader spectrum of sexuality has actually increased the need for labels. I don't know the full history of labeling for non-straights, but it seems we went from homosexuals and gays to the relatively recent LGBTQIA community.

    I think this is a product of needing to recognize differences in order to study them and at some point provide for the needs of these new demographics.

    You can see this in the growth of coverage in the US census. We don't consider all people "human" we break them out into sub-categories.

    In every day interactions people use labels to identify the people around them to determine compatibility and/or potential issues.

    Some people may use race, ethnicity and sexuality as guides. There are others who feel that religious, political or even regional affiliations are more important. We all use labels in our lives whether consciously or unconsciously not always for bad reasons.
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    Apr 23, 2013 4:54 PM GMT
    Labels are not always bad things.

    Imagine grocery shopping without labels on any of the packages on the shelves and having to improvise a meal with what you've purchased.

    Now exptrapolate that to human relationships.

    You think relationships are messy now?! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
  • wcubrad23

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    Apr 23, 2013 5:04 PM GMT
    There's this perpetuating myth that most people are bisexual. This has never been scientifically verified (don't even bring up the flawed Kinsey Scale). I do believe there are "some" shades of gray, but not as vast as other posters are tying to make it. You either like both sexes or you do not. It is not that complicated. A lot of people that don't like labels are either (a.) bi or (b.) gay, but clinging on to this notion that in theory they could one day fall in love with the opposite sex. And yes, I do believe it is possible for someone who has felt gay for most his life to experience a shift to bi.
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    Apr 23, 2013 5:41 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidLabels are not always bad things.

    Imagine grocery shopping without labels on any of the packages on the shelves and having to improvise a meal with what you've purchased.

    Now exptrapolate that to human relationships.

    You think relationships are messy now?! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif



    Good point, lol!

    Bill: "Doug, go to the store and get us some round things."

    Me: "Uh...sure ok."

    *comes back with oranges*

    Bill: "You want us to play tennis with oranges?!?"

    Labels also come in handy when you decide whether or not to invite vegetarians to your all-the-meat-you-can-eat buffet.





  • LJay

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    Apr 23, 2013 5:44 PM GMT
    MMMmmm

    New vegetarian dish: baked tennis balls.
  • MikeVmax

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    Apr 23, 2013 9:06 PM GMT
    How are you supposed to talk about something without labeling it?

    People don't like labels because they think labeling something is judging it. It doesn't take words to look down your nose at someone.
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    Apr 24, 2013 12:07 AM GMT
    Our understanding of what it is to be gay, along with the label attached to it, is essentially a modern invention, as is our modern understanding of what it means to be straight. For example, even straight marriages historically were not based on romantic love or sexual attraction, and in cultures constituting a large fraction of humanity (e.g., South Asia) this continues to be the case. On the gay side, what it means to be gay is continually being redefined and refined. For example, the idea of gay marriage, and that it could have come to be considered something desirable as opposed to something oppressive, would have been almost inconceivable to many gay men in the 70s.
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    Apr 24, 2013 12:09 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidI don't think so. I think as long as there is a civilization people are going to want terms to identify themselves.


    Exactly. Hence the ridiculousness of the gay animal kingdom...
  • toastvenom

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    Apr 24, 2013 12:09 AM GMT
    were they ever "in?"
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    Apr 24, 2013 12:13 AM GMT
    People will always use labels. As long as they aren't used negatively, I don't think it matters.
  • calibro

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    Apr 24, 2013 1:12 AM GMT
    fewer stupid questions and moar peen