China's Pollution Issues. Why China's Pollution Could Be Behind Our Cold, Snowy Winters

  • metta

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    Apr 24, 2013 2:23 AM GMT
    Beijing's skyline

    http://kotaku.com/5979117/call-lando-beijing-is-cloud-city/


    Why China's Pollution Could Be Behind Our Cold, Snowy Winters

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2015/03/08/391056439/why-chinas-pollution-could-be-behind-our-cold-snowy-winters
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    Apr 24, 2013 2:38 AM GMT
    In China, Breathing Becomes a Childhood Risk

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/world/asia/pollution-is-radically-changing-childhood-in-chinas-cities.html
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    Apr 24, 2013 2:55 AM GMT
    "Levels of deadly pollutants up to 40 times the recommended exposure limit in Beijing and other cities have struck fear into parents and led them to take steps that are radically altering the nature of urban life for their children.

    Parents are confining sons and daughters to their homes, even if it means keeping them away from friends."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/world/asia/pollution-is-radically-changing-childhood-in-chinas-cities.html?src=me&ref=general
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    Apr 24, 2013 3:07 AM GMT
    "Even in Hong Kong, which is considered to be far cleaner than Beijing, pollution blowing in from China's mainland has caused some to flee.

    Petteri Piirinen, the head of Asia sales at Finland-based technology company Okmetic, moved his family of four from Hong Kong when his toddler developed asthma after living there for a year. "Most babies can play for hours without getting tired, but our son was easily fatigued, struggling to breathe," Mr. Piirinen said, noting that his son's condition has improved since they've moved back to Finland."

    " Those in Beijing want to go to Shanghai, those in Shanghai want to go to Hong Kong, and in Hong Kong they want out,

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324010704578418343148947824.html
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    Apr 24, 2013 3:23 AM GMT
    This is so bad! icon_redface.gif

    So embarrassing.
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    Apr 24, 2013 3:30 AM GMT
    gayusasian82 saidThis is so bad! icon_redface.gif

    So embarrassing.


    The embarrassment is to the government.

    "Few developments have eroded trust in the Communist Party as quickly as the realization that the leaders have failed to rein in threats to children’s health and safety. There was national outrage in 2008 after more than 5,000 children were killed when their schools collapsed in an earthquake, and hundreds of thousands were sickened and six infants died in a tainted-formula scandal. Officials tried to suppress angry parents, sometimes by force or with payoffs.

    But the fury over air pollution is much more widespread and is just beginning to gain momentum.

    “I don’t trust the pollution measurements of the Beijing government,” said Ms. Zhang’s father, Zhang Xiaochuan, a retired newspaper administrator.
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    Apr 24, 2013 11:01 AM GMT
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    Roughly translated: Wheezing kids will not slow the Motherland's long march to capitalism!
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    Apr 24, 2013 2:34 PM GMT
    And every Republican in the US will fight until all American cities look this way, too.
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    Apr 24, 2013 2:39 PM GMT
    Thank goodness they ridded themselves of "job killing" regulations.
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    Apr 24, 2013 3:04 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidAnd every Republican in the US will fight until all American cities look this way, too.


    Yep, idiot, we want our kids breathing air like this?
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    Apr 24, 2013 11:22 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Destinharbor saidAnd every Republican in the US will fight until all American cities look this way, too.


    Yep, idiot, we want our kids breathing air like this?


    No, but conservatives tend to back policies that lead to this...
  • metta

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    Jan 17, 2014 8:12 PM GMT
    Smog in Beijing Is So Awful You Have to Catch the Sunrise on a Big Screen



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    http://world.time.com/2014/01/17/beijing-smog-combatted-with-televised-sunrises/
  • Kazachok

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    Jan 17, 2014 8:23 PM GMT
    Cloud city?! Those ain't clouds.

    I actually was wondering: Are there any birds in Beijing? I'm asking because it seems impossible to be able to fly through such smog.
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    Jan 17, 2014 8:26 PM GMT
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    Roughly translated: Wheezing kids will not slow the Motherland's long march to capitalism!

    Or more literally:
    Heavy cough breath kids will not make more slow native country march to wealth thought.
    I'm sorry.
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    Jan 17, 2014 8:28 PM GMT
    Meanwhile, in Beijing:

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    Jan 17, 2014 8:28 PM GMT
    Dude. It looks like Blade Runner.

    So worth it.
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    Jan 18, 2014 3:18 AM GMT

    Not to worry, Riddler will come to explain why it's all good!

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    Jan 18, 2014 3:26 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Not to worry, Riddler will come to explain why it's all good!

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    hahaha. he'll say it's just growing pains like London in 1860 or Pittsburgh in 1958 or some shit
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    Jan 18, 2014 4:16 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Not to worry, Riddler will come to explain why it's all good!

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    haahahahaha....indeed icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 18, 2014 4:19 PM GMT

    I have to say my time when I visited Beijing 2 years ago it was Grey... I thought I was in dreamy twilight saga mode...couldn't take much pictures which I've wanted.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 18, 2014 5:09 PM GMT
    I guess coal burning in late 19th century Chicago was bad enough that women were known to cover their faces when they were out in the street---but I don't think it was anything like it is in Beijing. I wonder how long it takes to clean up the air in a large city. Also, all of that pollution ends up in the ocean, and we're coming to a tipping point, when the ocean will no longer be able to sustain life, due to acidification.

    Really, cities need to invest green energy. The technology is available, and China could be potentially lead the world in green energy. It seems like a much better option than sickening their population and polluting the oceans.
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    Jan 18, 2014 5:11 PM GMT
    Charles Dickens, writing of London in 1852:
    "Smoke lowering down from chimney pots, making a soft black drizzle, with flakes of soot in it as big as full-grown snowflakes – gone into mourning, one might imagine, for the death of the sun . . . Fog everywhere . . . fog down the river, where it rolls defiled among the tiers of shipping, and the waterside pollutions of a great (and dirty) city"

    Not that I travel up to Beijing much (actually, I don't think I've ever been), apparently according to the UN, it ironically likes what China is doing more than the US:

    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1406094/top-emitter-china-doing-things-right-global-warming-un-climate-official

    It may be more known for its smog problems and its sizeable greenhouse gas emissions, but a UN climate change official says China is “doing it right” when it comes to addressing global warming, a report says.

    In an interview with Bloomberg at its New York headquarters, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, called China’s energy-efficiency standards for buildings and transportation as “some of the toughest”.

    She said the nation was realising that such efforts would pay off in the future.

    “They actually want to breathe air that they don’t have to look at. They’re not doing this because they want to save the planet. They’re doing it because it’s in their national interest,” she said in the report.

    Figueres, 57, cited the nation’s efforts towards energy efficiency, including helping reduce the cost of solar panels by 80 per cent since 2008 after backing photovoltaic technology, the report said.


    Meninlove, you're a dolt. It's too bad age hasn't given you perspective. You might want to familiarize yourself with the Kuznets curve... though to be fair, I think if China had less of a crony capitalist society (much of the heavy industry is owned or controlled by party apparatchiks and/or their kids), then pollution probably wouldn't have gotten as bad given the advances we've made since Dickens' time.
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    Jan 18, 2014 5:13 PM GMT
    ^^^LOL at the stupidest person in North America calling anyone a "dolt".
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    Jan 18, 2014 5:15 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said^^^LOL at the stupidest person in North America calling anyone a "dolt".
    Projecting again I see. If either of you bothered posting anything of substance I (and others) might be inclined to agree with you. icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 18, 2014 5:18 PM GMT
    ^^

    Londoners in Dickens' time or Pittsburgh in 1955 couldn't avoid the pollution, China in 2014 can