Liberal Bob Beckel calls for NO new Muslim student visas

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 24, 2013 6:27 AM GMT
    Fox news resident liberal, Bob Beckel,call for a moratorium on any new student visas for Muslim students.

    "United States to “cut off” student visas for Muslims for a period of time so the government could figure out who should stay, who should go, and who should be “sent to prison.”"

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/student-visa-muslims-beckel/2013/04/23/id/501047

    I not only read this, but heard him say it, which was rather shocking.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 24, 2013 2:09 PM GMT
    He is an idiot. Let's kick out all quiet white kids since we're going on witch hunts. There have been more mass shootings than terrorist attacks in the past decade so I think quiet white kids pose a threat.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 24, 2013 2:14 PM GMT
    msuNdc saidHe is an idiot. Let's kick out all quiet white kids since we're going on witch hunts. There have been more mass shootings than terrorist attacks in the past decade so I think quiet white kids pose a threat.


    He's a leftie though.

    "Beckel was born in New York City, New York. He holds a B.A. from Wagner College.[2] While in college, he worked for Robert F. Kennedy's presidential campaign in 1968. Early in his career, he joined the U.S. Department of State and became the youngest deputy assistant secretary of state for the Carter administration.[3] Beckel was the campaign manager for Walter Mondale's 1984 presidential campaign"
  • musclmed

    Posts: 3279

    Apr 24, 2013 2:19 PM GMT
    it is perfectly legitimate to screen foreigners who seek entry into the country.

    Next which is a shocking but not surprising development. Both the mother/father and the Tamerlans family was on public assistance until last year.

    He made his wife work 70-80hrs a week but stayed home .
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 24, 2013 2:22 PM GMT
    When a deadly cult posing as a religion is allowed to flourish, nothing but bad can come from it.

    I don't necessarily agree with the moratorium because the Muslims would just lie and say they're not Muslim to get the visa. However, I'd be in full support of a ban on converting to Muslim while in the US. Freedom of religion does not include cults.
  • jock_1

    Posts: 1491

    Apr 24, 2013 5:17 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    msuNdc saidHe is an idiot. Let's kick out all quiet white kids since we're going on witch hunts. There have been more mass shootings than terrorist attacks in the past decade so I think quiet white kids pose a threat.


    He's a leftie though.

    "Beckel was born in New York City, New York. He holds a B.A. from Wagner College.[2] While in college, he worked for Robert F. Kennedy's presidential campaign in 1968. Early in his career, he joined the U.S. Department of State and became the youngest deputy assistant secretary of state for the Carter administration.[3] Beckel was the campaign manager for Walter Mondale's 1984 presidential campaign"


    Yes, but aren't liberals against any sort of profiling? Seems he is going against his own beliefs
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 24, 2013 6:12 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    freedomisntfree said
    msuNdc saidHe is an idiot. Let's kick out all quiet white kids since we're going on witch hunts. There have been more mass shootings than terrorist attacks in the past decade so I think quiet white kids pose a threat.


    He's a leftie though.

    "Beckel was born in New York City, New York. He holds a B.A. from Wagner College.[2] While in college, he worked for Robert F. Kennedy's presidential campaign in 1968. Early in his career, he joined the U.S. Department of State and became the youngest deputy assistant secretary of state for the Carter administration.[3] Beckel was the campaign manager for Walter Mondale's 1984 presidential campaign"


    Yes, but aren't liberals against any sort of profiling? Seems he is going against his own beliefs


    That's why I was sitting there in disbelief when I heard him say this. Don't think he was kidding (at all) either.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 24, 2013 6:14 PM GMT
    He's not backing off either.

    Yesterday:

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/index.html#http://video.foxnews.com/v/2321900220001/beckel-hold-off-on-muslim-and-chinese-students-coming-to-us/?playlist_id=1040983441001

    and today

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/index.html
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 24, 2013 7:10 PM GMT
    Liberals can be morons just as conservatives can.

  • musclmed

    Posts: 3279

    Apr 24, 2013 8:23 PM GMT
    msuNdc saidHe is an idiot. Let's kick out all quiet white kids since we're going on witch hunts. There have been more mass shootings than terrorist attacks in the past decade so I think quiet white kids pose a threat.


    the last argument liberals have is this ODD moral equivalence between terroism and gun violence.

    It is a ridiculous argument.

    Visa policy has always been at the grace of the United states and varies from country to country.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 24, 2013 9:42 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    jock_1 said
    freedomisntfree said
    msuNdc saidHe is an idiot. Let's kick out all quiet white kids since we're going on witch hunts. There have been more mass shootings than terrorist attacks in the past decade so I think quiet white kids pose a threat.


    He's a leftie though.

    "Beckel was born in New York City, New York. He holds a B.A. from Wagner College.[2] While in college, he worked for Robert F. Kennedy's presidential campaign in 1968. Early in his career, he joined the U.S. Department of State and became the youngest deputy assistant secretary of state for the Carter administration.[3] Beckel was the campaign manager for Walter Mondale's 1984 presidential campaign"


    Yes, but aren't liberals against any sort of profiling? Seems he is going against his own beliefs


    That's why I was sitting there in disbelief when I heard him say this. Don't think he was kidding (at all) either.


    The biggest mistake you both make is thinking all liberals think the same. It doesn't make either of you appear particularly bright.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 24, 2013 11:05 PM GMT
    Liberals can have terrible ideas too. Just because a liberal has a bad idea does not mean that ALL liberals think the same.

    Most liberals would disagree with this idea as it is profiling and ethnocentric.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 24, 2013 11:13 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidIslam is an ideology as much as it's a religion (maybe more so), and that ideology is thoroughly at odds with democracy and tolerance. I personally don't think it's too much to ask anyone entering the US to sign a declaration stating they understand this and hold the US's priorities ABOVE any tenets of their own ideology that they're bringing into the country.

    What I have found especially offensive about Islam and *some* Muslim immigrants is that they would suggest that the US's (and Canada's) policy of religious tolerance should allow them to exercise their own intolerance of others; and, even allow them to enact sharia law (superseding the countries' own legal systems) within their own communities. That's just absurd.

    While in Rome, do as the Romans. And if you can't muster that, why are you coming here again??


    Muslims, as a group, in of itself are not at odds with democracy and tolerance. Exactly *some* Muslim immigrants have suggested sharia law.

    There are plenty of liberal Muslims.

    Those that take a literal and doctrinaire view of religion are at odds with any form of secular government.

    As for "When in Rome"... the first generation of any immigrant group typically will not be fully assimilated. It's a given. Subsequent generations typically will be more assimilated as they grew up in the culture and know the norms of said culture.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 24, 2013 11:29 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidIslam is an ideology as much as it's a religion (maybe more so), and that ideology is thoroughly at odds with democracy and tolerance. I personally don't think it's too much to ask anyone entering the US to sign a declaration stating they understand this and hold the US's priorities ABOVE any tenets of their own ideology that they're bringing into the country.

    What I have found especially offensive about Islam and *some* Muslim immigrants is that they would suggest that the US's (and Canada's) policy of religious tolerance should allow them to exercise their own intolerance of others; and, even allow them to enact sharia law (superseding the countries' own legal systems) within their own communities. That's just absurd.

    While in Rome, do as the Romans. And if you can't muster that, why are you coming here again??


    perfect ^^^

    We've seen this play out in many very tolerant western European countries over the last decade or so culminating in the 'no-go' zones in several major cities and then of course the annual riots plus the recent unrest in France over gay marriage. Although the media is very PC about it, one can just about guarantee where that unrest is coming from. Hopefully, we're not going to let this happen in the United States to this extent. I'd prefer to shut down ALL immigration period if we have to be 'fair' to keep these folks out.

    Even on a more micro scale, The gym I joined locally on opening weekend back around Memorial Day 2007 had gotten so bad by the time I moved back here in Sept 2010, that I found myself working out with almost 100% Muslim youth, mostly Palestinian and Egyptian. I gave it try to get along, but it didn't last long with several near fights defending the Jewish population, plus one real fight over their threats to kill GWB and Dick Cheney. In spite of my political inclinations, I would do exactly the same if the threat was regarding Bill Clinton or Obama..

    Most came here on student visa to go to Ohio State, but a few never got around to going to school. They also didn't know the phrases 'don't like' or 'don't care for' as all they know is the word 'hate'. Even the two that were actually born here don't consider themselves American .... it's Muslim first and then Palestinian and being an 'American' way down the list somewhere. They came here and within a few short months, act like they own the place, and everyone else is too PC to say anything about it.

    We have, in Columbus, a very well integrated and philanthropic Jewish population that does huge charitable good for the city. I never ever ever heard anti-Semitism around here until this group came to town ... I mean true pure Jew hate, expressed often and loudly.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 25, 2013 2:59 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidWhen a deadly cult posing as a religion is allowed to flourish, nothing but bad can come from it.

    I don't necessarily agree with the moratorium because the Muslims would just lie and say they're not Muslim to get the visa. However, I'd be in full support of a ban on converting to Muslim while in the US. Freedom of religion does not include cults.


    But just as Muslims are considered a religion, so are the Mormons. But then one way or another all religions are cults, thus all religions no matter what they are, are protected by freedom of religion.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Apr 25, 2013 3:10 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    seoulsearcher saidMuslims, as a group, in of itself are not at odds with democracy and tolerance. Exactly *some* Muslim immigrants have suggested sharia law. Bullshit.

    There are plenty of liberal Muslims. And their silence is deafening.

    Those that take a literal and doctrinaire view of religion are at odds with any form of secular government. Bullshit.

    As for "When in Rome"... the first generation of any immigrant group typically will not be fully assimilated. It's a given. Subsequent generations typically will be more assimilated as they grew up in the culture and know the norms of said culture. The exceptions are notable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homegrown_terrorism


    Right because the Arab Spring didn't ....oh wait that was a thing. Oh and the fact that ALL Muslims...nope 30% of Muslims in the US are not against homosexuality. So far you're painting a very homogeneous picture of a religion found on every continent in the world. Obviously they're going to be extremists. To call bullshit when a person claims that there are distinct differences, that's an odd argument to make. There are 1.62 Billion Muslims in the world. Lebanon, Turkey, Bosnia, Cyprus are not rich countries (yes have their human rights abuses), but not extreme theocracies either.

    I suggest doing a little more research before putting up a bigoted and ultimately sloppy conclusions that doesn't show any nuance of the reality of the situation.
  • musclmed

    Posts: 3279

    Apr 25, 2013 3:23 AM GMT
    seoulsearcher said
    yourname2000 said
    seoulsearcher saidMuslims, as a group, in of itself are not at odds with democracy and tolerance. Exactly *some* Muslim immigrants have suggested sharia law. Bullshit.

    There are plenty of liberal Muslims. And their silence is deafening.

    Those that take a literal and doctrinaire view of religion are at odds with any form of secular government. Bullshit.

    As for "When in Rome"... the first generation of any immigrant group typically will not be fully assimilated. It's a given. Subsequent generations typically will be more assimilated as they grew up in the culture and know the norms of said culture. The exceptions are notable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homegrown_terrorism


    Right because the Arab Spring didn't ....oh wait that was a thing. Oh and the fact that ALL Muslims...nope 30% of Muslims in the US are not against homosexuality. So far you're painting a very homogeneous picture of a religion found on every continent in the world. Obviously they're going to be extremists. To call bullshit when a person claims that there are distinct differences, that's an odd argument to make. There are 1.62 Billion Muslims in the world. Lebanon, Turkey, Bosnia, Cyprus are not rich countries (yes have their human rights abuses), but not extreme theocracies either.

    I suggest doing a little more research before putting up a bigoted and ultimately sloppy conclusions that doesn't show any nuance of the reality of the situation.


    Islam has a huge PR problem in the west.
    You are going to have to do a little better than a few flimsy straw men arguments. The fact is that in a PEW research poll 7% of the worlds Muslims believe in violent Jihad. That about 110 million people in the world.

    Its like picking corn out of well you know what.