Boston bombing suspects motivated by Iraq and Afghanistan wars, US officials say

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    Apr 24, 2013 1:51 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/boston-bombing-suspects-motive-afghanistan-iraq_n_3140547.html

    The two suspects in the Boston bombing that killed three and injured more than 260 were motivated by the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, officials told the Washington Post.

    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, "the 19-year-old suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, has told interrogators that the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan motivated him and his brother to carry out the attack," the Post writes, citing "U.S. officials familiar with the interviews."

    The report comes one day after U.S. officials told the Associated Press that it was the religious beliefs of Tsarnaev and his older brother Tamerlan that fueled their alleged plot.

    But if the officials who spoke to the Post are correct, the Boston bombing suspects would be the latest accused terrorists who have listed American interventions as their motive.

    The Guardian's Glenn Greenwald has repeatedly argued that U.S. violence in other countries is what actually fuels terrorist attacks.

    Greenwald frequently cites a Pentagon report finding that, "Muslims do not 'hate our freedom,' but rather, they hate our policies," including "American direct intervention in the Muslim world."

    Greenwald also notes that this is one of the reasons mentioned by Osama Bin Laden as a justification for his support of violence against America.

    Last year, convicted underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab argued that his attempt to blow up a U.S. airliner bound for Detroit on Christmas Day in 2009 was intended to avenge, "the attacks of the United States on Muslims."

    The Boston Bombing took place just days after a deadly attack in Afghanistan killed 17 civilians, including 12 children, according to the New York Times. The Afghan government blames the C.I.A. for the attack, while the agency itself refused to comment.
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    Apr 24, 2013 4:34 PM GMT
    Stan24 said
    The Guardian's Glenn Greenwald has repeatedly argued that U.S. violence in other countries is what actually fuels terrorist attacks.

    This is what I and perhaps many people think, I think many of Americans do also feel the same.

    Sometimes I feel that a honest 20 year old guy can deal the middle eastern countries in a peaceful way more better than Obama with guns.

    Honestly speaking, if you ask any Indian 'why is USA is in war with middle eastern countries?' most of them will answer you that, it is because US is running out of oil and these nations have huge oil reserves.
    This is the general opinion of the public & I don't know what you guys think...but...this is the image created by American leaders on their nation.
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    Apr 24, 2013 4:58 PM GMT
    Apart from their obvious sadistic tendencies, I wonder what motivated the Provisional IRA to bomb the UK for 30 years. Were they 'Christian inspired' terrorists or were they motivated by the perceived injustice of another country 'occupying' part of theirs?
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    Apr 24, 2013 5:15 PM GMT
    Harry7785 said
    Stan24 said
    The Guardian's Glenn Greenwald has repeatedly argued that U.S. violence in other countries is what actually fuels terrorist attacks.

    This is what I and perhaps many people think, I think many of Americans do also feel the same.

    Sometimes I feel that a honest 20 year old guy can deal the middle eastern countries in a peaceful way more better than Obama with guns.

    Honestly speaking, if you ask any Indian 'why is USA is in war with middle eastern countries?' most of them will answer you that, it is because US is running out of oil and these nations have huge oil reserves.
    This is the general opinion of the public & I don't know what you guys think...but...this is the image created by American leaders on their nation.


    The US and Canada are sitting on enough oil reserves to last us many hundreds of years so you may want to tell your friends in India that is not why we are at war with countries in the middle east. We are at war with countries in the middle east because they continue to threaten to kill every American. There are terrorist sponsered countries in the middle east so the wars will not stop untill those countries get out of the stone age and play nice with the rest of the world.

    Obama (I think) or any president that will lead the US knows the saftey of the people and the safety of this country are first and foremost above anything else. We will also defend our allies across the world.

    Easy solution ? Stop the threats, stop the terrorism, stop killing innocent Americans and the wars will go away also.
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    Apr 24, 2013 5:22 PM GMT
    Stan24 saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/boston-bombing-suspects-motive-afghanistan-iraq_n_3140547.html

    The two suspects in the Boston bombing that killed three and injured more than 260 were motivated by the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, officials told the Washington Post.

    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, "the 19-year-old suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, has told interrogators that the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan motivated him and his brother to carry out the attack," the Post writes, citing "U.S. officials familiar with the interviews."

    The report comes one day after U.S. officials told the Associated Press that it was the religious beliefs of Tsarnaev and his older brother Tamerlan that fueled their alleged plot.

    But if the officials who spoke to the Post are correct, the Boston bombing suspects would be the latest accused terrorists who have listed American interventions as their motive.

    The Guardian's Glenn Greenwald has repeatedly argued that U.S. violence in other countries is what actually fuels terrorist attacks.

    Greenwald frequently cites a Pentagon report finding that, "Muslims do not 'hate our freedom,' but rather, they hate our policies," including "American direct intervention in the Muslim world."

    Greenwald also notes that this is one of the reasons mentioned by Osama Bin Laden as a justification for his support of violence against America.

    Last year, convicted underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab argued that his attempt to blow up a U.S. airliner bound for Detroit on Christmas Day in 2009 was intended to avenge, "the attacks of the United States on Muslims."

    The Boston Bombing took place just days after a deadly attack in Afghanistan killed 17 civilians, including 12 children, according to the New York Times. The Afghan government blames the C.I.A. for the attack, while the agency itself refused to comment.


    It`s highly plausible, but it`s still speculation. One report on the BBC spoke of the brothers having a psychology/motivation more akin to the Aurora or Newtown killings.

    If they have been spurred on to this crime by feelings of religiosity, then it`s as much about the miserable fate of the Palestinians and how the US has helped in their oppression over generations.
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    Apr 24, 2013 5:35 PM GMT
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    Harry7785 said
    Stan24 said
    The US and Canada are sitting on enough oil reserves to last us many hundreds of years so you may want to tell your friends in India that is not why we are at war with countries in the middle east. We are at war with countries in the middle east because they continue to threaten to kill every American. There are terrorist sponsered countries in the middle east so the wars will not stop untill those countries get out of the stone age and play nice with the rest of the world.

    Obama (I think) or any president that will lead the US knows the saftey of the people and the safety of this country are first and foremost above anything else. We will also defend our allies across the world.

    Easy solution ? Stop the threats, stop the terrorism, stop killing innocent Americans and the wars will go away also.


    As I said, it's the general opinion of the public...and how can I tell my friends that US is not fighting for oil? even I don't know why there's war going on? no one knows the real reason except the people who are running America.
    There are many conspiracy documentaries that contradict your view and most of them are made by US citizens.

    But What's the use of huge oil reserves in Canada? they are destroying their forests, local ecology, water systems and almost everything, just to extract oil from soil. Of course...US & Canada can live for hundreds of years but sooner or later people will regret it and the regret stays with them for thousands of years.

    To me, the best way to end war is stop provoking it!
    let them provoke you. But you should be better enough and stronger enough to resist their provocation.

    Innocent Americans? but the other side are innocent too...
    they lack education, they were brainwashed, they were hypnotized...
    culprits are on both sides too...

    any leader who don't know how to handle the situation with words and ideas will go by weapons. that's true and no one can ignore it.
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    Apr 24, 2013 5:36 PM GMT
    Another possible reason for the US` involvement in the above wars was to surround and intimidate Iran.
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    Apr 24, 2013 6:16 PM GMT
    This is pure BS. Muslims hate themselves more than anything. The emigration numbers around the world support this conclusively. They emmigrate to escape their disfunctional church/ state political disaster.

    No gay guy can possible support their "death to gays" core belief.
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    Apr 24, 2013 8:08 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidThis is pure BS. Muslims hate themselves more than anything. The emigration numbers around the world support this conclusively. They emmigrate to escape their disfunctional church/ state political disaster.

    No gay guy can possible support their "death to gays" core belief.


    Nor, having to have a penis to get a driver's license, the oppression of women, etc., ad nauseam.

    False belief systems are one thing; parochial states, and Islam, take us a giant leap BACKWARDS.

    The false belief system is so oppressive, no wonder folks are so head fucked.

    No matter what the false belief system, young men who don't quite fit, we go in search of an identity...to define themselves....when, in reality it's the false belief systems that has them so head fucked to begin with.

    My mom's brother, shot himself through the head, at the age of 19, because, in 1969, good catholic boys could not be gay. No one should feel like that.

    How do we resolve this? Truth based belief systems. Stop going and killing 600,000 + folks in Iraq. No wonder they hate us. DOH.

    Ignorant people don't know they're ignorant, and...you sure don't fix it by killing a shit pile of them. That only gives them more resolve.
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    Apr 24, 2013 8:10 PM GMT
    What a load of Bull! I can smell the stench through my damn computer monitor
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    Apr 24, 2013 8:12 PM GMT
    Lincsbear saidAnother possible reason for the US` involvement in the above wars was to surround and intimidate Iran.


    The main reason: BIG MONEY.
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    Apr 24, 2013 8:17 PM GMT
    Harry7785 said
    Stan24 said
    The Guardian's Glenn Greenwald has repeatedly argued that U.S. violence in other countries is what actually fuels terrorist attacks.

    This is what I and perhaps many people think, I think many of Americans do also feel the same.

    Sometimes I feel that a honest 20 year old guy can deal the middle eastern countries in a peaceful way more better than Obama with guns.

    Honestly speaking, if you ask any Indian 'why is USA is in war with middle eastern countries?' most of them will answer you that, it is because US is running out of oil and these nations have huge oil reserves.
    This is the general opinion of the public & I don't know what you guys think...but...this is the image created by American leaders on their nation.


    At least for Aghanistan it was for 9-11 and taliban. Much better than leveling it with a nuclear bomb in my opinion back in 2001. The U.S. was justified in fighting the Taliban as it was harboring terrorists that were openly declaring war.
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    At least for Aghanistan it was for 9-11 and taliban. Much better than leveling it with a nuclear bomb in my opinion back in 2001. The U.S. was justified in fighting the Taliban as it was harboring terrorists that were openly declaring war.


    I agree the war in Afghanistan was justified and AQ were driven from that country in pretty short order. Sadly, the mission drifted into nation re-building (which we are still bogged down in today), with the sincere intent to prevent Afghanistan becoming a haven for terrorists again. It didn't work. The Taliban are tenacious fighters and the only way to bring peace to the nation will be to strike a deal with them (much as it may stick in the throat).
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    Apr 24, 2013 10:02 PM GMT
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    musclmed said
    At least for Aghanistan it was for 9-11 and taliban. Much better than leveling it with a nuclear bomb in my opinion back in 2001. The U.S. was justified in fighting the Taliban as it was harboring terrorists that were openly declaring war.


    I agree the war in Afghanistan was justified and AQ were driven from that country in pretty short order. Sadly, the mission drifted into nation re-building (which we are still bogged down in today), with the sincere intent to prevent Afghanistan becoming a haven for terrorists again. It didn't work. The Taliban are tenacious fighters and the only way to bring peace to the nation will be to strike a deal with them (much as it may stick in the throat).


    The big problem with the war in Afghanistan is that AQ(and their 'affiliates') have not been really defeated; they`ve spread out and decamped to Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, Indonesia, Mali, etc. They`re ultra mobile and knew they`d be leaving Afghanistan as soon as the US went.....for a while. Or maybe they were there already and upped their operations in these 'safer' countries?

    They`re probably waiting their chance to begin to return in 2014; in the wake of the Taliban`s re-emergence there.
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    Apr 24, 2013 11:38 PM GMT
    What a bunch of bullshit. They are terrorist. They are religios terrorist. Their mission under Islam is to kill infidels and islamisize the world. They are also killing each other in Iraq and other Islamic countries. Are those people "intervening" anywhere?

    If you believe this excuse you are an idiot and can be sold anything.
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    Apr 24, 2013 11:56 PM GMT
    How come y'all blame Bush for 9/11 and Obama doesnt get any blame for the Boston bombing. Obama knew about this since 2011 here it is

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/04/23/russia-contacted-fbi-multiple-times-concerns-about-alleged-boston-marathon-bomber/ND0bhUdq1Tp1mRuC8xlb8N/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw


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    Apr 25, 2013 12:24 AM GMT
    They were motivated by the Qur'an and its commands to kill infidels (kuffar). Liberals need to stop trying to pin the blame on America when it's ISLAM that's at fault.
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    Apr 25, 2013 1:56 AM GMT
    Mmmm-ya... I'll have to call B.S. on that explanation. Neither one of the brothers has spent any time in the Middle East, and both come from a place that has been ravaged by Russia, not by America. If anything, they probably should have focused their anger on Moscow.

    That said, apparently people in Muslim countries are treated every day with news of rogue American drone attacks on civilians. That would be upsetting.
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    Apr 25, 2013 2:38 AM GMT
    It seems the brothers had a variety of motivations.

    'Tamerlan Tsarnaev Believed in Basically Every Conspiracy Theory'

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel.html

    AND TAMERLAN TSARNAEV WAS A BIG FAN OF ALEX JONES:

    "InfoWars is Alex Jones' megasite (supported pretty frequently by Drudge Report links); InfoWars, ironically enough, had a reporter at the early Boston press conferences, asking authorities to prove that the bombing wasn't a "false flag" attack. But the InfoWars version of history is totally at odds with the radical Islamist version. If Jones is right, the greatest "successes" of Islamists were actually operations planned by a brilliantly devious CIA.


    It's hard to tell who's more insane, the bombers or these rightwing conspiracy theorists.

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    Apr 25, 2013 2:38 AM GMT
    themachine saidMmmm-ya... I'll have to call B.S. on that explanation. Neither one of the brothers has spent any time in the Middle East, and both come from a place that has been ravaged by Russia, not by America. If anything, they probably should have focused their anger on Moscow.

    That said, apparently people in Muslim countries are treated every day with news of rogue American drone attacks on civilians. That would be upsetting.


    Tamerlan was pissed because he was a loser. He was rejected for citizenship and his dom violence arrest likely sealed his fate for future citizenship.

    Islam was an ample excuse to kill people because the Quran is a guidebook on it.
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    Apr 25, 2013 3:53 AM GMT
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    blazerblue saidIt seems the brothers had a variety of motivations.

    'Tamerlan Tsarnaev Believed in Basically Every Conspiracy Theory'

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel.html

    AND TAMERLAN TSARNAEV WAS A BIG FAN OF ALEX JONES:

    "InfoWars is Alex Jones' megasite (supported pretty frequently by Drudge Report links); InfoWars, ironically enough, had a reporter at the early Boston press conferences, asking authorities to prove that the bombing wasn't a "false flag" attack. But the InfoWars version of history is totally at odds with the radical Islamist version. If Jones is right, the greatest "successes" of Islamists were actually operations planned by a brilliantly devious CIA.


    It's hard to tell who's more insane, the bombers or these rightwing conspiracy theorists.



    They are about equal.



    If the bombers were "right wing christians" do you think we would be hearing how Christianity is a religion of peace? We would be hearing the recommendations of what the churches and Christian leaders must do to make sure that this kind of attack never happens again, and story after story about bright, attractive young people who got mixed up with church groups and ended up with their lives and the lives of everyone around them in ruins.

    The truth is many fear Islam because western ideology cannot comprehend its mandates and dogma. Therefore the truth is cloaked in politically correct garbage. Most of the terrorism in the world is caused by Muslim extremist
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    Apr 25, 2013 5:42 AM GMT
    Unintended saidI postulate that drone missile attacks are, right now, the #1 act of terrorism in the world right now. By moderate estimates, 5000 innocent civilians have been killed by USA drone attacks.



    sure set up a straw man argument. When terrorist abuse populations and hide amongst women and children.
    Maybe the one thing Obama has done right is exploit a precision tool to take out people who plot against the United States. Collateral damage exists in all war, drones serve to decrease that.

    Not 1 of those said innocents would have any trouble beheading or stoning to death a gay man.

    Interesting cause you have taken up.
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    Apr 25, 2013 7:07 AM GMT
    The war in Afghanistan was not justified.

    It was the US that supported the mujahideen (including Osama bin Laden) in the first place during the 80s. Yes, the US supported Osama bin Laden. He was an ally of the US before he started a crusade against the US due to US involvement in the Gulf War, and Saudi Arabia (an oppressive theocracy and absolute monarchy) being an ally of the US and allowing the US to deploy US troops in Saudi Arabia.

    The Taliban owes its existence to this support. The Taliban is just a faction that emerged from the Islamist fighters the US supported against the Soviet Union.

    Afghanistan did not attack the US on 9/11. By this logic, we should go to war with Russia for what happened in Boston. The US was eager to invade Afghanistan because of oil/gas interests and its strategic proximity to Iran and Central Asia.

    There were no terrorist attacks done on American soil by Muslims before the 90s. There was the 1983 US Embassy attack in Beirut, which was due to US involvement in the Lebanese Civil War. And what happened during the early 90s? The Gulf War. And in 1993 after the Gulf War, the WTC bombing happened.



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    Apr 25, 2013 7:24 AM GMT
    CharleyChase90232 saidHow come y'all blame Bush for 9/11 and Obama doesnt get any blame for the Boston bombing. Obama knew about this since 2011 here it is

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/04/23/russia-contacted-fbi-multiple-times-concerns-about-alleged-boston-marathon-bomber/ND0bhUdq1Tp1mRuC8xlb8N/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw


    No one blamed Bush for 9/11, Southbeach. Indeed there was almost universal sympathy for the US in the aftermath of that terrible day. Bush pissed away the goodwill.
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    Apr 25, 2013 7:30 AM GMT
    I agree on everyone in mid-east ,
    america provokes & pays rebels to intice violence on everyone,
    reasons like :
    everyone knows pakistan is the most corrupted nation & all money goes into raising jihadis.
    US toppled hosni mubarak & payed to make that mohammad movie, result, coptic christians live in haunting everyday.

    US wants Assad removed , why ?
    is it so interested in toppling him, they payed 300 million to islamic rebels,result , they're killing Syriac christians, beheading mostly christians who support assad coz "hes a good man" , i have many syrian christian in iraq running from rebels to save thier lives, infact most christians say its not assad killing anyone but US funded al-qaida ,who is & blaming on assad .

    no wonder , one US would see christian terrorists who'll do things like 9/11 , coz reall america destroyed us arab christians ,
    ur actions make us hide in fear as muslims here think we support them