Please Contact Senator Obama

  • metta

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    Oct 20, 2008 8:55 PM GMT
    It is time for Senator Obama to speak up and ask Californians to Vote No On Prop 8. He also needs to tell them why he is Against Prop 8. He needs to correct the damage his campaign has done to the No On Prop 8 campaign. Why do I say this, please read the following two articles:


    Obama's Moment Of Truth On Gay Equality
    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/obamas-moment-o.html


    Are Democrats Throwing Gays Under the Bus?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-ocamb/are-democrats-throwing-ga_b_134032.html


    Please contact Senator Obama's campaign and ask for Senator Obama to speak up now.

    Contact Form:

    http://answercenter.barackobama.com/cgi-bin/barackobama.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php


    Thank you!
  • metta

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    Oct 20, 2008 9:03 PM GMT

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    [cite]Sullivan[/cite]
    Obama's Moment Of Truth On Gay Equality
    As expected, one reason Proposition 8, stripping gay couples of marriage equality, is still viable in California is because of strong African-American support. Black Californians back the anti-gay measure by a margin of 20 points, 58 - 38, in the SUSA poll. No other ethnic group comes close to the level of opposition and black turnout is likely to be very high next month.

    All this makes it vital, in my opinion, that Barack Obama strongly and unequivocally oppose Proposition 8 in California, rather than keeping mainly quiet as he has done so far. We need him to make an ad opposing it. This is a core test of whether gay Americans should back Obama as enthusiastically as they have in the last month. If he does not stand up for gay couples now, why should we believe he will when he is in office? And if black Americans are the critical bloc that helps kill civil rights for gays, that will not help deepen Obama's governing coalition. It could tear it apart.

    Memo to Obama: make an ad. Speak loudly. Defend equality. Defend it when it might actually lose you some votes. Show us you are not another Clinton.
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    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/obamas-moment-o.html
  • metta

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    Oct 20, 2008 9:05 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-ocamb/are-democrats-throwing-ga_b_134032.html


    Ocamb

    Are Democrats Throwing Gays Under the Bus?

    With just over three weeks until the elections, it seems a pretty certain bet that most of the LGBT community will vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden, though with curtailed enthusiasm after numerous missteps.

    But electoral support does not mean surrendering the right to critique and hold the candidates or the Democratic Party accountable. Indeed, it is the obligation of citizenship to call out disparities between avowed principles and actions that conflict with those principles. If the actions are not corrected, at least the credit-card promises are de-mythologized and once starry-eyed voters will not be surprised when the disappointing compromise bills come due.

    So let's stipulate that Obama has captured most of the LGBT vote. After all, LGBT people have been deeply impacted by the Bush-Cheney-Rove regime and can't wait to exhale. But frankly, it seems the Obama camp and the Democratic Party just aren't all that into us anymore.

    Let's also stipulate these facts: Obama's deputy campaign manager Steve Hildebrand is gay; Obama's gay outreach is light-years ahead of the McCain camp's publicized acceptance of Log Cabin's endorsement at the GOP convention; and the DNC's Inclusion Rule, in conjunction with Gov. Howard Dean's 50-state strategy and executed by the National Stonewall Democrats, yielded the largest ever contingent of LGBT delegates and participants to the Democratic Convention and laid a possible foundation for future inclusion.

    But none of that translated to viewers of the Democratic Convention -- which I wrote about in "Requiem for Gay Political Power." From my seat glued to the TV, it looked like a shameful replay of 2004 when the LGBT community agreed to invisibility for the "greater good" of electing John Kerry.

    It didn't matter. We were blamed for Kerry's loss anyway -- ostensibly because we brought about the eleven anti-gay marriage initiatives in battleground states, not Karl Rove -- by wanting full equality "too fast."

    So here we are in 2008 and what's changed, really? There are anti-gay marriage initiatives in California, Arizona, and Florida. But who's paying attention, other than the LGBT community and its allies, and the well-funded Religious Right for whom this is the ultimate spiritual warfare, as described by TheCall?

    The focus here is Proposition 8, the constitutional amendment on the November ballot in California that would eliminate the right of same sex couples to marry. That right was recognized by the Republican-dominated California Supreme Court May 15, a ruling in which the court also called gay people a "suspect class" or minority deserving equal protection under the law.

    But this fight goes beyond the "fundamental" right of same sex couples to marry. If Prop 8 passes, it would be an ugly addition to U.S. history (remember the Jim Crow laws and the Japanese Interment, to mention a couple) where a majority has stripped rights away from a minority.

    Yet, so far the DNC and the Obama campaign have issued plenty of statements with no action.

    Here's the record:
    -- On May 3, 2006, the DNC hired longtime LGBT politico Brian Bond to handle the LGBT constituency. Dean said:

    "The Democratic Party has a long history of standing against discrimination and standing up for equal rights for every American. Unfortunately, the Republicans are again taking a page from the Karl Rove playbook and using issues to scapegoat the LGBT community with the divisive Federal Marriage Amendment and hate-filled ballot initiatives aimed at dividing and distracting America from critical issues facing our country. Brian will help lead our fight to end the Republican politics of fear and division."
    -- May 10, 2006. In Bond's first interview, he is asked if the DNC has a strategy to combat the ballot initiatives. Bond said:

    "I would say yes, but I think you have to look at this in both a short-term and long-term context. In the short term, clearly strategy is being put in place."
    If such a strategy existed, it failed in California, Arizona and Florida.

    -- Feb. 2008, Equality California, the statewide LGBT lobbying group, launched the "Decline to Sign" campaign trying to prevent the anti-gay ProtectMarriage.com and the New Jersey-based National Organization for Marriage from gathering enough petition signatures to qualify the ballot initiative. According to the Secretary of State's website, the DNC contributed $25,000 (the California Democratic Party contributed nothing) but the petition qualified with over one million signatures.

    -- On May 15, the Obama campaign released a statement about the marriage ruling:

    "On the issue of constitutional amendments, Senator Obama has been on record for some time: He opposes all divisive and discriminatory constitutional amendments, state or federal. That includes the proposed amendments in California and Florida."
    The Obamas made similar statements in March, June and July.

    -- The DNC also issued a statement:

    "The Supreme Court of California today took a step forward in the long march toward protecting equal rights under the law for every American. This should not be a matter of politics or partisanship; it is a matter of protecting the rights and dignity of all American families."
    In August, the Democratic Party Platform included this:

    "We all have to do our part to lift up this country, and that means changing hearts and changing minds, and making sure that every American is treated equally under the law.... We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all attempts to use this issue to divide us."
    But while the Democratic Party has helped the No on Prop 8 campaign on the ground, the DNC has made no financial contribution to fight Prop 8 since the "Decline to Sign" campaign. Nor has Obama publicly mentioned the grave and historic fight to retain this minority right. One wonders if there would be such silence and benign neglect if an initiative threatened to take away an existing right of the African American, Latino, Asian or Jewish communities.

    How ironic that this fight falls during the 10th anniversary of Matthew Shepard's hate crime-murder, about which
    Cathy Renna notes: "The sense of being "other" is still a constant feature for many of us, even those who try to assimilate as much as possible and proclaim that they're just ordinary citizens like everyone else."

    But the cruelest blow came when Biden agreed with GOP candidate Sarah Palin about same sex marriage during the vice presidential debate. His comments are now highlighted on the Yes on 8/ProtectMarriage website.

    Obama has steadfastly opposed same sex civil marriage because, he told evangelist Rick Warren, as a Christian,

    "God's in the mix....I am not somebody who promotes same sex marriage, but I do believe in civil unions. I do believe that we should not -- that for gay partners to want to visit each other in a hospital for the state to say, you know what, that's all right, I don't think in any way inhibits my core beliefs about what marriage are."
    The conflation of a civil marriage right with a private religious belief and the argument in favor of "separate but equal" by a constitutional lawyer is jarring. But the political ramifications could be catastrophic for gays, as the New York Times pointed out last September.

    "Mr. Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, is against the measure. But opponents of the proposed ban worry that many black voters, enthused by Mr. Obama's candidacy but traditionally conservative on issues involving homosexuality, could pour into voting stations in record numbers to punch the Obama ticket -- and then cast a vote for Proposition 8."

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  • pcsean28

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    Oct 21, 2008 12:36 AM GMT
    Are we sure Obama even opposes Prop 8? I don't think so.
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    Oct 21, 2008 12:38 AM GMT
    Neither candidate is right for the gay community sadly
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    Oct 21, 2008 12:58 AM GMT
    The feeling I get from Obama is a mixed message. One that tries to pacify the gay community and another that tries to pacify the traditionalists scared about this whole bullshit called "The Sanctity of Marriage between a man and a woman"

    He's trying to court both votes and giving leverage to the larger mass by hinting at "civil unions" over allowing gay couples the legal right to call it Marriage. I wish a presidential candidate had the balls to stand firmly in our corner.

    I look at it this way. As long as we can get him to publicly say he opposes prop 8 I'll take it even though he says different things. I am fully aware we are nothing but a pawn to be played with during election time. Democrats try their best to suggest they stand in support of giving us our free and equal rights but history suggests their is apprehension based on trying to feed the entire mass.

    I don't like that but it's better than a very vocal portion of the right who willingly use the name God to spew hatred directed specifically at us and make it clear we are not worthy to even be in the same room as them but they will tolerate us as long as we let them call the shots.

    BTW.. it is common knowledge that the African American community holds a long tradition of feeling very uncomfortable with the term gay. Getting that community to back us up vocally out in the open is very hard. Not because they harbor hatred but because it's just very uncomfortable for them. Privately I think many do consider the ramifications of this discriminatory prop and will vote it down but say nothing about that vote.

    I know the Sacramento Mayoral candidate Kevin Johnson opposes prop 8 so that is a plus for us as well and a hopeful voice of reasoning to look at for the African American community in California.

    Just keep your fingers crossed and use the debunking words provided by the HRC when anyone you encounter is carrying unfounded baseless bullshit in regard to all of this. It's going to be very close. Hit as many county and city on line newspapers as you can that allow responses on Prop 8 and keep debunking the the bullshit.
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    Oct 21, 2008 1:07 AM GMT
    First end the war in Iraq! Then deal with the GAY issue! That is far more pressing!
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    Oct 21, 2008 1:09 AM GMT
    Where are the million gay couples in CA? Why arent they speaking up? Why arent they putting money onto the campaign against 8? Only 30,000 people have dontated against prop 8 and most of the have been st8 people.

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    Oct 21, 2008 1:11 AM GMT
    I think the platform Obama and Biden have taken is a prudent one and one that will maximize progress for full equality.

    The word "marriage" gets Hets with a religious bone in their body in a tizzy. That is, in part, why Dems lost so big in 2004. By couching the argument in the term marriage we sabotage our efforts. Now, of corse we are after marriage and that is exactly what we deserve. But, by working on first getting "full civil equality" we de facto have marriage. We can work on the nomenclature later when the rapture doesn't happen and gay civil-marriages are normalized.

    Marriage equality is ideal, but the Obama platform will be the largest step towards that goal.
  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 21, 2008 1:11 AM GMT
    This is pretty much a case of picking your battles. Obama-Biden won't give them any more votes from a minority community (LGBT) and support for gay marriage would cost them votes with people 45+.
    Any gay rights, or any other rights from any other minority for that matter are rarely simply given by the powers that be. They are often forced to grant rights based on unwavering confrontation and desperate choices.
    The time to act is if Obama comes into office. Only then through consistent appeal to recognition of basic human equality will this country move forward.
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    Oct 21, 2008 1:26 AM GMT
    I do understand the baby steps process in taking this to absolute equality across the entire nation but if we can get this defeated in California I think it's not just a baby step it's a sudden huge dramatic leap fwd.

    If California with a multitude of diversity can't bring legal Marriage for gay couples to the table and allow it to be called a Marriage it's going to take a hell of a lot of time to make even that next baby step.

    I also understand for many there are other important issues to deal with first but what many of us are asking for right now is to take a look at this prop and realize here's a chance to start a domino affect in our favor that reach's across the nation. Since it's here lets do it now instead of putting it off. If this passes I expect to see it right back in the California Supreme Court being challenged once again, but what an awesome moment it would be to see this shit defeated.