Um... Are teachers allowed to brain wash students like this or is this article false?

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    Apr 26, 2013 12:39 AM GMT
    This should up on my facebook page awhile ago from the "I fucking love science" group.
    http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/sciencetest.asp
    I'm just having a hard time believing something like this actually happened in a school. What do you guys think? Are people that fanatical about religion?
    BTW this is about a 4th grade science quiz.
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:29 AM GMT
    False belief systems / religious nuts / cults / superstitions are a belief in the unbelievable. Science, on the other hand, is generally true, whether you believe it or not. In science, if there is something we don't understand, we work towards discovering the process (be it black holes, or atoms, nuclear fusion, E=MC2, and so forth).

    In some far right states, the Religious Nuts keep wanting to put forth "intelligent design" as part of science. It is not science. It is myth. Was there a creator? Maybe, but, likely it was science.

    The World was not created 4000 years ago. Carbon dating PROVES that, conclusively, beyond ANY doubt.

    Religion, across the board, has always, and likely will always, regress us as a society.
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:29 AM GMT
    I love what the last question suggests you should tell people that believe dinosaurs lived millions of years ago.

    "Were you there?"

    I actually heard that very same argument from a colleague of mine. Scary stuff.
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:32 AM GMT
    themachine saidI love what the last question suggests you should tell people that believe dinosaurs lived millions of years ago.

    "Were you there?"

    I actually heard that very same argument from a colleague of mine. Scary stuff.


    Right?! All it needs is a "bitch please"
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:37 AM GMT
    personally, for the last question i would have written "reported"
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:37 AM GMT
    Ominously, some faith based schools in the UK want to teach something along the 'intelligent design' agenda, even though religious education is actually compulsory in state schools in this country(unlike the US)!
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:46 AM GMT
    Lincsbear saidOminously, some faith based schools in the UK want to teach something along the 'intelligent design' agenda, even though religious education is actually compulsory in state schools in this country(unlike the US)!


    Lol....golly...I think that's why there's The First Amendment.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:51 AM GMT
    It didn't seem clear if it was a public school, Christian school or home school. If it were the last two, then it's no body's business. They have the right to assemble peaceful and teach as they choose. Welcome to America, folks.
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    Apr 26, 2013 7:49 AM GMT
    ChrisInCO saidIt didn't seem clear if it was a public school, Christian school or home school. If it were the last two, then it's no body's business. They have the right to assemble peaceful and teach as they choose. Welcome to America, folks.


    This was most likely from a Christian school, but I disagree that they can teach whatever they like and that "it's no body's business."

    Hopefully, these children will want to go on to college, if they are lucky, so how the hell are they going to pass any kind of college entry exams, such as the SAT or ACT, with this kind of "education"? Unless, they go to a Christian college that doesn't care about science and actually knowledge.

    I don't believe in this post-modern view that knowledge is subjective and that we all have our own "truth" and that it's up to us to decipher what's true or not. That is utter bullshit! Teaching children these blatant lies and myths as factual knowledge not only harms them but makes us the laughing stock of the world, and more importantly, damages our success and progress as a nation. How can we maintain economic and scientific growth if our future innovators and thinkers are being taught this bullshit?

    I have no problem with you teaching your myths and worldviews in a religious setting, but calling it SCIENCE is beyond insulting. I don't even have a problem with you teaching religion in schools, public or private, as long as it's done in the religious studies department, history or philosophy departments, but keep it out of my SCIENCE classroom.

    Here's another example of this so-called SCIENCE being taught to impressionable minds:

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    Apr 26, 2013 8:13 AM GMT
    Who created God?
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    Apr 26, 2013 10:10 AM GMT
    Darn! I was hoping Snopes was going to debunk that one icon_sad.gif.
  • Jonno11

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    Apr 26, 2013 10:30 AM GMT
    I once saw a page out of a "science" textbook, it was believed to be a Mormon textbook as it was during the US election, and people were pointing out the kind of teachings students received in Mormon schools, and it really bothered me, simply because it stated that "Electricity is a wonderful, magical thing, that God created, and no one knows how it works." My jaw hit the floor. So you're telling me that myself, and hundreds of thousands of other electricians, and electrical engineers, and instrument technicians, have no idea how electricity works? We just stumble along and pray to God we don't blow up? In its simplest form, I can generate electricity from a magnet and a piece of copper wire. That level of stupidity is just insane. Theres no better word for it.
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    Apr 26, 2013 10:31 AM GMT
    chuckystud said
    Lincsbear saidOminously, some faith based schools in the UK want to teach something along the 'intelligent design' agenda, even though religious education is actually compulsory in state schools in this country(unlike the US)!


    Lol....golly...I think that's why there's The First Amendment.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


    It looks less like trying to promote one religion, more about what religions believe - BBC revision website http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/rs/ .
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    Apr 26, 2013 11:19 AM GMT
    ChrisInCO saidIt didn't seem clear if it was a public school, Christian school or home school. If it were the last two, then it's no body's business. They have the right to assemble peaceful and teach as they choose. Welcome to America, folks.


    You're taking away opportunities from children. You are brain washing kids who did not decide to be brain washed. It is abusive and it has to be somebody's business.
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    Apr 26, 2013 12:06 PM GMT
    According to the article, the school is a private religious one.
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    Apr 26, 2013 12:08 PM GMT
    calibro saidpersonally, for the last question i would have written "reported"

    I would have answered with a question -- "Were you?"
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:42 PM GMT
    It's stuff like this that makes me want to say that religions should be treated like any other book club.
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    Apr 26, 2013 4:02 PM GMT
    Most of y'all never went to a school in California especially college. The professors are all waaaaaaay on the left side of the politics. Even more on the left of me LOL.
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    Apr 26, 2013 4:05 PM GMT
    He_Man said
    Hopefully, these children will want to go on to college, if they are lucky, so how the hell are they going to pass any kind of college entry exams, such as the SAT or ACT, with this kind of "education"? Unless, they go to a Christian college that doesn't care about science and actually knowledge.


    Except for the fact you can fairly easily pass both even if your education includes creationism. If you have a good grasp of vocabulary, reading, and math skills you will do fine. Most of the science related questions will be fairly straightforward and include a good deal of biology or physics questions.
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    Apr 26, 2013 4:15 PM GMT
    CharleyChase90232 saidMost of y'all never went to a school in California especially college. The professors are all waaaaaaay on the left side of the politics. Even more on the left of me LOL.


    So true. I went to CA public schools, junior colleges and university.
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    Apr 26, 2013 8:44 PM GMT
    Private schools like this are not entirely funded by the state and can create their own curriculum. Even though these parents are saying they are shocked by this test they should know what curriculum their kids are being taught. As a teacher I'm just shocked that those responses garner an A+. Not much effort in the thought process or communication of knowledge (or lack of fact), it looks like a B to me.
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    Apr 26, 2013 8:50 PM GMT
    charlitos said
    ChrisInCO saidIt didn't seem clear if it was a public school, Christian school or home school. If it were the last two, then it's no body's business. They have the right to assemble peaceful and teach as they choose. Welcome to America, folks.


    You're taking away opportunities from children. You are brain washing kids who did not decide to be brain washed. It is abusive and it has to be somebody's business.


    I concur.

    If someone wants to be a "school" then there needs to be a certain standard for schools to teach TRUTH and not fiction that is universal to education as a whole.

    In the U.S., The Bill of Rights protects not those who can protect themselves, but...those who can't. That means children, minorities, and poor folks. Whether it's criminal justice (the right to a fair trial), or not being forced to abridge our speech in the face of religion, our learning TRUTH in our schools, government clearly has a role in protecting those who can't protect themselves: gay folks, children, the physically and mentally challenged.

    For example...the 19'th Amendment basically says that regardless of your gender, no state can deny you the right to vote from you, ever....no matter what your resources. The 26'th says that if you are 18, you get to vote. Period. No state can take that away.

    In this country the equal rights amendment never passed, but, the act did.

    The First Amendment, in my view, does not protect fiction from being taught as science.

    Science is true, and invites skepticism, and criticism. Religion oppresses it (none more than Muslim). The 1'st protects us from those false belief systems being forced upon us.

    Ironically, religion, and its nuts, are causing us to lose more and more liberty every day, either through lobbying or acts of terrorism.

    Honestly, the oppression of women (and other basic civil rights); the cruelty; the martyrs, make Muslims VERY DANGEROUS, and a clear and present danger to The West. That's reality...like it or not.

    Religion, in general...rather...all false belief systems are a danger, with Islamic nut cases being the worst since Hitler's Third Reich which systemically killed millions.

    A young mind is like a little robot being programmed. Brainwashing is just that. North Korea is an extreme example of a large group of people being brainwashed and controlled. Nut case schools are doing the same thing, but, with smaller groups.

    Perhaps some of you here know of the electric chair study, or the three fingers study.

    Religious folks, in particular, and some human beings (roughly 1/3) can be convinced of anything. In the three finger study, folks were told the shorter finger was longer (it wasn't..it was shorter), but, with being told enough times, fully 2/3 of the folks went along with the clear lie (as humans like to be led by an authority figure). In the electric chair study, folks were deceived into thinking they were electrocuting someone when told to do so. Nearly 1/2 DID follow instructions to electrocute the person in the chair (this was a non-military setting, mind you). Hitler, The Taliban, and so on, all understood / understand these well documented facts of human behavior around false belief systems. That's what makes religion so dangerous.
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    Apr 26, 2013 8:54 PM GMT
    Instead of filling their heads with bullshit, how about teaching them trades...you know, jobs they can actually make a living at?

    All the rest is just mental masturbatory mind control.
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    Apr 26, 2013 11:08 PM GMT
    http://www.edchoice.org/Documents/SchoolChoice/Private-Schools-Laws-and-Regulations/southcarolina.pdf
    Private schools must either be approved by the state Board of Education or
    accredited by the South Carolina Independent School Association. Church affiliated schools are exempt
    .

    http://www2.ed.gov/admins/comm/choice/regprivschl/regprivschl.pdf'
    SOUTH CAROLINA
    Accreditation/Registration/Licensing/Approval
     Accreditation is optional.
    No requirements for Registration.
     No requirements for Licensing.
     Approval is optional.
    Teacher certification is not required
    There is no state requirement for private schools‘ length of the school year
    There are no state requirements for the curriculum of private schools.
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    Apr 27, 2013 5:09 AM GMT
    Freedom between church and state.

    I would submit, however, that you have a RIGHT to an accurate education, no matter what the provider.