How much muscle can you gain from not increasing eating?

  • DBomb129

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    Apr 26, 2013 2:31 AM GMT
    Food/protein intake. I'm a college guy so I really can't eat endlessly or go crazy on protein when I'm at school but I have gotten serious about my lifts again.

    I've been squatting a lot and just feel better but I know I'm not putting on any size- or anything beyond immediate muscle memory.
  • calibro

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    Apr 26, 2013 3:11 AM GMT
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:19 AM GMT
    You gotta eat clean and sleep.
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:21 AM GMT
    If you want to move your setpoint up, you need more calories.
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:31 AM GMT
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  • ThatSwimmerGu...

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    Apr 26, 2013 4:12 AM GMT
    Im sorta having this issue. Im in the dorms and have to live off of the meal plans. Im excited for next year. My own kitchen!
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    Apr 26, 2013 4:25 AM GMT
    ThatSwimmerGuy saidIm sorta having this issue. Im in the dorms and have to live off of the meal plans. Im excited for next year. My own kitchen!


    Then stock up while you're in there and eat high-calorie foods. When I was in the dorms I didn't know much about nutrition, but if I could go back I'd add a lot more nuts on my salads, get a ton of meat, potatoes (or any other carbs), use up that olive oil, etc.

    Do that for lunch and dinner, then breakfast can be oatmeal with milk, nuts, maybe raisins, protein shake, bagel with peanut butter, etc. get creative boy!
  • ThatSwimmerGu...

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    Apr 26, 2013 5:12 AM GMT
    tanbod said
    ThatSwimmerGuy saidIm sorta having this issue. Im in the dorms and have to live off of the meal plans. Im excited for next year. My own kitchen!


    Then stock up while you're in there and eat high-calorie foods. When I was in the dorms I didn't know much about nutrition, but if I could go back I'd add a lot more nuts on my salads, get a ton of meat, potatoes (or any other carbs), use up that olive oil, etc.

    Do that for lunch and dinner, then breakfast can be oatmeal with milk, nuts, maybe raisins, protein shake, bagel with peanut butter, etc. get creative boy!

    I wish they had all that stuff. I'm sorta going to wait until summer which is like less than 3 weeks to start pushing the weights. I'll be able to make healthy meals.
  • DBomb129

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    Apr 26, 2013 5:38 AM GMT
    Breakfast: apple

    Lunch: Subway most days- foot long oven roasted chicken on honey oat with spinach and lettuce

    Snack: whole grain PB crackers, banana

    "Snack": Go Lean cereal and fiber bar

    Dinner (at midnight most days): Grilled chicken breast and fajita chicken with spinach or asparagus and an orange with Activia fiber yogurt.

    I tend to go to bed at 5 am.

    I live an apartment but I go to the grocery store far too often just for this stuff. I kinda wish I had a meal plan. I'd be eating awful stuff more often but it'd be more food at least and some variety.

    During the summer when I'm home, if I workout consistently, I bulk up a bit cause I eat more (for better and worse), but I'll still be here for at least a chunk of the summer. Blah.
  • tuffguyndc

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    Apr 26, 2013 2:39 PM GMT
    my question to you is why can't you eat the amount of food required? do you live on campus? when i was in college we could go back for seconds or thirds. hell i would even sneak food out of the cafeteria. if you do not eat than you will not see the kind of results that you would want to see.
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    Apr 26, 2013 2:48 PM GMT
    If you could gain muscle from not eating, then anorexia would be more popular outside of traditional teenage girl demographic. You can work on form and add flexibility and marginal strength from a calorie deficit, but you won't gain any muscle. You have to eat to grow--preferably clean. People think any calories will do. While this is technically true, you're much better served by eating the right calories.
  • gwuinsf

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    Apr 26, 2013 3:40 PM GMT
    Well, if he's going from not working out to working out, he's going to game some muscle based on the amount of food he's eating now. It's not like there will be zero effect because he hasn't changed his diet. But yes, there's going to be a threshold.

  • MichaelUK

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    Apr 26, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
    You are what you eat. Simples.
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    Apr 26, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    MichaelUK saidYou are what you eat. Simples.


    Exactly. Where do you expect the muscle mass to come from if you aren't providing your body the resources for developing that mass?

    To obtain something, something of equal value must be lost. That is the law of equivalent exchange. Or conservation of energy.
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    Apr 26, 2013 10:10 PM GMT
    You can still put on a significant amount of muscle and lose body fat leading to a nice defined look (a swimmer's build). If you want to get bigger as such, then you would need to eat more for that.
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    Apr 26, 2013 10:28 PM GMT
    DBomb129 saidBreakfast: apple

    Lunch: Subway most days- foot long oven roasted chicken on honey oat with spinach and lettuce

    Snack: whole grain PB crackers, banana

    "Snack": Go Lean cereal and fiber bar

    Dinner (at midnight most days): Grilled chicken breast and fajita chicken with spinach or asparagus and an orange with Activia fiber yogurt.

    I tend to go to bed at 5 am.

    I live an apartment but I go to the grocery store far too often just for this stuff. I kinda wish I had a meal plan. I'd be eating awful stuff more often but it'd be more food at least and some variety.

    During the summer when I'm home, if I workout consistently, I bulk up a bit cause I eat more (for better and worse), but I'll still be here for at least a chunk of the summer. Blah.


    1 - you are actually really big for only eating that much!
    2 - think about the protein in this alone. you maybe get 15g from the sandwich, 20g from the chicken breast at dinner, maybe 5g in the yogurt, maybe 5g in the fiber bar, a few grams in the peanut butter... just not enough protein at all. a good rule I hear a lot is 1.5-2g per kg you weigh (2g being pretty drastic). you are not reaching that goal with that diet
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    Apr 26, 2013 10:36 PM GMT
    I actually was thinking the same thing, earlier. I'm surprised he is able to keep the weight where he says he does with such a scant diet.
  • DBomb129

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    Apr 27, 2013 12:04 AM GMT
    I was working out regularly before, I'm just being more efficient now and seriously doing legs for the first time since sophomore year in high school.

    I guess my body has adjusted. Beyond 5 pounds, its hard for me to lose weight unless I go crazy on cardio and still cut back on food.... which all my stubborn fat goes to my legs and ass but that's another topic.

    When I am eating more (at home), I'm usually over eating but if I'm lifting hard, I do put mass on fairy quickly. I do end up putting a bit of fat on most often cause I eat every and anything.

    I know, I'm WAY under what I should be for protein. If I'm still lifting, I maintain. If I stop for awhile, I lose a noticeable amount of muscle. It always comes back fairly quickly, though. Sandwich is about 40-45g, my chicken stuff may come out to 30 and then cereal says 13 per serving (which I have more than that), and the handful from crackers and yogurt so a 100ish give or take.

  • Lincsbear

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    May 05, 2013 10:48 PM GMT
    Simple rule: to gain muscle, you need to do two things, eat sufficient low fat, good quality protein(up to 1.5g per kilogram body weight) and weight train(according to how experienced you are.) You also need to eat enough calories to stop your body using up some of its muscle mass in everyday living.

    A low fat diet will help with definition, as will some cardio.