Call for Action - How do we Help our Gay Brothers in Iraq?

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    Apr 26, 2013 2:52 PM GMT

    WARNING - This is a graphic video. (This is one of the more tame videos I could post.)

    Our gay brothers are being tortured and murdered for being gay. We think we have it bad with a little bullying, but these poor guys live in a constant state of fear. They are usually young kids, sometimes 14 or 15 years old because the older gay men were killed when they were younger. If this were happening in your home town, you would likely get involved and make sure it never happened again. But what difference should location matter?

    I don't want to just comment on how horrible the video is....we can all see that. I just want one question answered.....HOW CAN WE HELP THEM? This is unacceptable and must stop. Ideas?
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    Apr 26, 2013 10:05 PM GMT
    That is horrible! I can't even watch that video without getting sick to my stomach. I don't know how they can be helped but they must!
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    Apr 26, 2013 10:07 PM GMT
    Some of the blame belongs with the Americans, British, etc. Having gone to the trouble of invading the country, I think the U.S. and other Western countries there were extremely remiss in not using their influence there to insist on a modern constitution that repects gay rights, as was adopted in South Africa, for example. It would not have soved the problem but it may have helped. Instead they just left a terrible, terrible mess.
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    Apr 26, 2013 10:12 PM GMT
    seekonk saidA lot of the blame belongs with the Americans, British, etc. Having gone to the trouble of invading the country, I think the U.S. and other Western countries there were extremely remiss in not using their influence there to insist on a modern constitution that repects gay rights, as was adopted in South Africa, for example. It would not have soved the problem but it may have helped. Instead they just left a terrible, terrible mess.


    Did our countries makes this worse somehow or just failed to lead the way? Not sure how we can say the British and Americans are partly to blame.
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    Apr 26, 2013 10:50 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    seekonk saidA lot of the blame belongs with the Americans, British, etc. Having gone to the trouble of invading the country, I think the U.S. and other Western countries there were extremely remiss in not using their influence there to insist on a modern constitution that repects gay rights, as was adopted in South Africa, for example. It would not have soved the problem but it may have helped. Instead they just left a terrible, terrible mess.


    Did our countries makes this worse somehow or just failed to lead the way? Not sure how we can say the British and Americans are partly to blame.


    A truly terrible video of what`s going on in Iraq nowadays.

    I`m not sure what can be done, but publicity helps to expose the barbarities going on here at least.

    The US and UK toppled the Saddam Hussein regime but failed to institute proper security for the Iraqi people. The new Iraqi government is pretty corrupt and ineffective, too. This power vacuum has been filled, to some degree, by the the religious fundamentalists-now free from any control-who naturally persecute all those they consider 'undesirables'.
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    Apr 26, 2013 11:41 PM GMT
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    seekonk saidA lot of the blame belongs with the Americans, British, etc. Having gone to the trouble of invading the country, I think the U.S. and other Western countries there were extremely remiss in not using their influence there to insist on a modern constitution that repects gay rights, as was adopted in South Africa, for example. It would not have soved the problem but it may have helped. Instead they just left a terrible, terrible mess.


    Did our countries makes this worse somehow or just failed to lead the way? Not sure how we can say the British and Americans are partly to blame.


    Not intentionally, but as brutal as Saddam was, he did keep a lid on the fundamentalists responsible for this kind of thing. Once America decided to invade and instate a client regime there, it became America's responsibility to at least leave the place in better shape than they found it. In this they failed badly due to lack of leadership.

    As for what can be done now that our government has basically washed its hands of the whole debacle, I don't know, but I agree with you that this cannot go unchallenged. Maybe we can organize letter-writing campaigns to the White House or the State Department, but I wouldn't expect much to come of that. I am not sure if Iraqis are eligible for asylum in the U.S. (I imagine it would amount to a politically inconvenient admission of failure from the administration) but maybe something can be one in that regard, though it might help only a few.

    In the meantime, I think you are doing good by publicizing this. It may be a good idea to send this video to our senators/congressmen and do what we can to make sure gay organizations and the media in general pick up on this too.
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    Apr 27, 2013 12:23 AM GMT
    I have a feeling this has gone on long before the US invaded Iraq. These type of fundamentalists or extremeists or whatever you want to call them lived under Sadam's reign too. that country (and others around it) are mostly a barren wasteland of desert with boundaries that are impossible to really control. No one really knows what grain of sand separates a lot of countries in the middle east.

    How can we as individuals help? I don't know, honestly. I'm sure there are charities out there, but does feeding money to an organization always make you feel better? for some, yes for others no....they need an actual physical action to see the real results.

    Sucks man -- and on the flip side, it's not just Iraq. there are tons of places out there that are not good for LGBT (or anyone, really, for that matter). Countries in Africa that are trying to pass the "kill the gays" bill that would make it a government policy to execute homosexuals (not just some random extremist group). To me, this is almost worse.
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    Apr 27, 2013 12:25 AM GMT
    Also, if I'm not mistaken, this video was actually taken years ago, correct?
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    Apr 27, 2013 2:48 AM GMT
    Bullying is what Americans do best to each other. I have seen gays bashing gays more than the other way around.
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    Apr 27, 2013 2:52 AM GMT
    Homesteaders saidBullying is what Americans do best to each other. I have seen gays bashing gays more than the other way around.


    What does that have to do with anything?
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    Apr 27, 2013 2:55 AM GMT
    willular saidI have a feeling this has gone on long before the US invaded Iraq. These type of fundamentalists or extremeists or whatever you want to call them lived under Sadam's reign too. that country (and others around it) are mostly a barren wasteland of desert with boundaries that are impossible to really control. No one really knows what grain of sand separates a lot of countries in the middle east.

    How can we as individuals help? I don't know, honestly. I'm sure there are charities out there, but does feeding money to an organization always make you feel better? for some, yes for others no....they need an actual physical action to see the real results.

    Sucks man -- and on the flip side, it's not just Iraq. there are tons of places out there that are not good for LGBT (or anyone, really, for that matter). Countries in Africa that are trying to pass the "kill the gays" bill that would make it a government policy to execute homosexuals (not just some random extremist group). To me, this is almost worse.



    I know. I just couldn't sleep after seeing these videos last night. And as I said....this was the more tame one. I just cannot imagine what it must feel like to be burned alive, and it makes me not even want to live in a world like this.
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    Apr 27, 2013 2:58 AM GMT
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    willular saidI have a feeling this has gone on long before the US invaded Iraq. These type of fundamentalists or extremeists or whatever you want to call them lived under Sadam's reign too. that country (and others around it) are mostly a barren wasteland of desert with boundaries that are impossible to really control. No one really knows what grain of sand separates a lot of countries in the middle east.

    How can we as individuals help? I don't know, honestly. I'm sure there are charities out there, but does feeding money to an organization always make you feel better? for some, yes for others no....they need an actual physical action to see the real results.

    Sucks man -- and on the flip side, it's not just Iraq. there are tons of places out there that are not good for LGBT (or anyone, really, for that matter). Countries in Africa that are trying to pass the "kill the gays" bill that would make it a government policy to execute homosexuals (not just some random extremist group). To me, this is almost worse.



    I know. I just couldn't sleep after seeing these videos last night. And as I said....this was the more tame one. I just cannot imagine what it must feel like to be burned alive, and it makes me not even want to live in a world like this.


    I am a very happy man to live in the USA.
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    Apr 28, 2013 6:12 AM GMT
    what are you gonna do, go to their country and kill all the homophobes? that's a hell of a lot of people.
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    Apr 28, 2013 6:23 AM GMT
    I think posting videos like this places for people to see would be a good start. Like public places and emailing them to higher ups. Let people know that this stuff happens. Maybe email it to a news station?
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    Apr 28, 2013 6:31 AM GMT
    Wow
  • Just_Tim

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    Apr 28, 2013 6:35 AM GMT
    I don't want to watch this video, and honestly doubt that I would be able to. This is just about the worst kind of thing you can see. We have an RJer on here (Zeriel, I think?) who is always posting about the terrible goings on in that part of the world, and it's getting to where I can't even read HIS posts anymore. I don't know how to help him, or anybody that has to experience this terror ever day. I really think it's beyond the help of any individual or group. This is something that is going to take an entire nation to deal with. I'm just sorry that we, as Americans, haven't taken significant enough notice to step in to help. I certainly don't believe that the Americans or British are to blame though. It's just the way the world is divided. Like Scruffypup said, sometimes you just don't want to live in such a place anymore. I hope the solution to this problem is found sometime during our lifetime. Until then, the only help I can be is to say, one more time, GET OUT OF THERE IF AND HOWEVER YOU CAN!
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    May 01, 2013 6:24 PM GMT
    I know death is certain for us all eventually. So more than the murders themselves, it's the method of killing that just sends me over the edge. The few times I have burned a tiny spot on my finger on the stove has given me horrible pain. Being burned alive is something I cannot even imagine. And from the videos I've seen, it takes a VERY long time for it to kill the person. They sit there with the inside of their lungs being burned along with their skin. NO ONE deserves such a death!

    If I start a grassroots organization, would any of you guys agree to start a chapter in your home town? I could hold a protest here in my city. When the media shows up, we could direct them to the protests in your city. This could get national coverage. It seems sometimes it takes national or world wide press to embarrass the government to take action.
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    May 01, 2013 7:02 PM GMT
    Ironically that area of the world is known as the cradle of civilization. Somewhere down the line civilization grew up and moved away leaving barbarians in control. I think it was sometime around the 7th century.

    Scruffy, I honestly don't know how to help them. The world is full of organizations with resources - the UN and Amnesty International come to mind - and yet this sort of shit is allowed to happen all the time all over the globe.