Republicans !!!! I'd be embarassed by McCain/Palin "tactics"/"Gimmicks" to win? Obama's above this !!! A CLASSIC PRESIDENTIAL leader for the USA, Can you, or will you support an OBAMA presidency?

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    Oct 21, 2008 4:06 AM GMT
    You republicans may have to deal with Obama as president !!! You will have to face that McSame's following the bush pattern, and his gimmick of picking the likes of Palin for a running mate, and the nasty rhetoiric they've used to try to win, probably will cost him the election. Of late numerous National Papers/Periodicals/Magazines have endorsed Obama because of the above. Standing above even these is Powell and many other republicans who have called for McPalin to clean up their act, and questioned McCains judgement over the above Its becoming very apparent that the more they smear the more voters they turn away from themselves. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Its becoming obvious too, that the premise of the Republican party has failed so miserably under Bush/Cheney that, they leave only the diehards clinging to them and the demise they have led our country to. Add McPalin to the mix and its hard for even the most devoted Republican to be proud of their party>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Doesn't this make you even the least embarassed that these two were chosen to lead your party??? Are you republicans concerned enough for your country's situation to admit that PALIN is anything but who we need now,-one heartbeat away from maybe being president??? Can you admit these failures? Can you put country first and back A President Obama? I believe Obama has the potential of being one of the greatest presidents in our history. What do you think republicans?
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    Oct 21, 2008 4:10 AM GMT
    What's up with the ">>>>>>>>>>" in your posts?
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    dowal saidWhat's up with the ">>>>>>>>>>" in your posts?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL !!!! Its the only way I can separate paragraphs because for some reason my damn computer won't let me skip lines or indent, I'd be more than happy for some assistance to fix this problem if you can help me with some pointers. Dennis
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    Oct 21, 2008 4:59 AM GMT
    It's a matter of media bias. The mass media brings up all sorts of perceived flaws in McCain and expounds on them, like "Robocalls". Barrack's negatives would never be mentioned if the McCain campaign and the RNC didn't raise the issue. So, yes it's negative campaigning but the media does enough negative campaigning for Obama and props it up as legitimate journalism.

    During the 04 election I got a Robocall for John Kerry from Jesse Jackson.
    The media never brought up Robocalls then.

    In spite of the media bias and the Bush administration McCain is doing damn good in the polls. I think he will win. It aint over till it's over.

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    Oct 21, 2008 10:44 AM GMT
    It's not the Robocalls per say ...
    It's what's IN them

    McCain's 'Robo Calls' Draws Bipartisan Opposition
    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/18/mccains-robo-draws-bipartisan-opposition/

    It's also somewhat IRONIC that the same tactic where John McCain was accused of having a "black" baby during his run against Bush
    He's using today

    Even Palin herself has said she is not fond of using Robocalls
    But then again in her innumerable fashion
    says that but is featured in one too
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    Oct 21, 2008 4:30 PM GMT
    Of course I would support an Obama presidency. I see Obama as a radical left wing revolution that is out to destroy America. I oppose him now. If the majority of Americans are dumb enough to allow that, even vote for it, then count on me to be a collaborateur.
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    John43620 saidIt's a matter of media bias. The mass media brings up all sorts of perceived flaws in McCain and expounds on them, like "Robocalls". Barrack's negatives would never be mentioned if the McCain campaign and the RNC didn't raise the issue. So, yes it's negative campaigning but the media does enough negative campaigning for Obama and props it up as legitimate journalism.




    Umm.. John, do you not recall when Hilary and Obama were knee deep in the primary season?
    Hilary brought up his questionable dealings with Ayers, Rezko, etc.
    It wasn't McCain and the RNC... lol.

    This is part of my amazement with your ilk. You are just recycling old news and patting yourselves on the back for uncovering the truth that independents really don't care about. We already went through this during the primaries and everyone hated Hilary for being so petty. It seems McCain is intent on making the same mistakes.
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    Oct 21, 2008 4:49 PM GMT
    That's got to be the most ridiculous thing I've every seen you post, John.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 21, 2008 4:52 PM GMT
    Of course I will support an Obama Presidency too if the majority of Americans make that a reality. My only hope is that, should the majority of Americans NOT make that a reality, and McCain is our next President, that you Democrats wake-up November 5th with an open mind and give the man a chance. Every President deserves that, and it is hugely difficult for any President to truly succeed without the support of the people.

    When I read things today like the Military Times poll suggests 68% of the military supports McCain, and state races like Florida and Colorado tightening, it suggests that this race is not over by a long shot. I'm prepared for an Obama victory, but you Obama supporters may want to prepare to be surprised should it not work out quite the way you may have hoped.




    Jdunn1973 said
    This is part of my amazement with your ilk. You are just recycling old news and patting yourselves on the back for uncovering the truth that independents really don't care about.



    See, Jdunn, here in lies the problem that I think the Obama campaign is having right now -- that being deluding themselves into thinking that Americans, specifically the Independent voters, "don't care about" such things. I tend to disagree. They do care...they are listening...they are seeing Obama and his surrogates evade questions and offer up the same old deflective answers and expect that the American voters are going to ignore it or not notice.
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    Oct 21, 2008 4:57 PM GMT
    RealLifeDad,

    I can appreciate your comments, I probably would have phrased it a litltle differently, but you make some good points.

    Whoever is president is going to have a variety of challenges most have not had when they first move into the Oval office. He will need to have the country behind him and I hope whoever it is (and fortunately it does look to be Obama) will need to reach out and work with republicans in a sincere and diligent manner.

    I would hope as we near the finish line (and I'll be hosting a party at my house that night to welcome the Obama victory) we can remember that
    we are a great nation, not full of democrats and republicans, but hard working, talented people that need a strong leader for all of us.

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    Oct 21, 2008 5:01 PM GMT
    Chris, just curious, what flavor Kool-Aid will you be serving at your "Victory Party", and will Crow Pie be for dessert?

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    Oct 21, 2008 5:01 PM GMT
    John43620 saidOf course I would support an Obama presidency. I see Obama as a radical left wing revolution that is out to destroy America. I oppose him now. If the majority of Americans are dumb enough to allow that, even vote for it, then count on me to be a collaborateur.



    John's comments seem to sound a little more scary all the time.
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    Oct 21, 2008 5:04 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidChris, just curious, what flavor Kool-Aid will you be serving at your "Victory Party", and will Crow Pie be for dessert?

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    I'll be making a phone call to you for your response.
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    I agree that Obama is going to win, Though I'm going to vote for McCain I believe that the chance of him winning now is, well, almost nonexistent. But honestly I think Obama will be disaster. Of course I’m going to support him if, or more likely, when he wins, but I disagree with so many of his socialist ideas that it really makes me sick with worry. The fact that he is going to raise taxes only for successful people is so wrong. He says that it isn’t “fair” that the burden isn’t equally distributed throughout all classes of people. In his second debate he stated that 95% of people in America will not see one cent of their taxes raise. But he forgot to mention that 40% of those people don’t even make enough to get taxed at all. So that’s a misleading half truth. I hope to be very successful, and if I get there, I honestly wouldn’t mind sacrificing for my country, because I live here and I enjoy the benefits it’s my duty to do my part. But for now I work in a factory while going through school and I see the people that would benefit from his tax plan. Because of Clinton, people were able to take out loans that had no chance of paying them off. Now people who make 11 dollars an hour start buying things they can’t afford, like a nice ass, decked out brand new mustang, and they get in financial trouble because of their irresponsible spending. They can’t keep up with all their bills. So let’s tax responsible successful people so those kind of people don’t lose their homes. People need to learn to live within their means; I drive a piece of shit/microwave because that’s all I can afford while going through college. I do everything I can to stay out of debt. I just strongly think that Obama needs to put a stop to these kinds of loans. Couldn’t you understand how high income citizens, not saying that I am cause I’m sure as hell not, would be insanely frustrated because they are paying for lower income citizen’s irresponsible spending? That’s not fair, but if raising taxes on higher income families is what needs to happen to help the country, then by all means do it. But then please stop people from buying stuff they don’t need, and more importantly can’t afford.

    And I can’t believe America is handing over health care to the government. It’s simply unbelievable. My family is from Canada and my grandfather almost died because he has to wait so long for heart surgery. I’m sure that America could find a way to make it more efficient, but I’m not going to lie and say I’m not worried.

    And I hope that Obama will find a way to end the war in his time window without leaving people feeling like we failed to accomplish our goals.

    And to answer your question, yes I’m disappointed with both candidates. But I’m going to support who ever gets elected.

    And on a less serious note, I just know that more laws like seatbelt laws are going to be passed if he gets elected. lol I’m not going to enjoy those.
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    You may well feel, think Obama will be good for America! But will he be good for the rest of the world? Remember it's not just America that is effected by American politics. Many other parts of the world are too! So will Obama be good for us?

    This does give non Americans a right to a say in American politics! We should also be given a vote, while America plays Big Brother.
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    Oct 21, 2008 8:37 PM GMT
    Marc_Four saidI agree that Obama is going to win, Though I'm going to vote for McCain I believe that the chance of him winning now is, well, almost nonexistent.


    Don't throw in the towel just yet, Marc_Four, because the fat lady hasn't started singing. It didn't look terribly good for George Bush before the 2000 election, and they pretty much wrote him off in 2004 as well. Even the exit polls on election day '04 were calling Kerry the winner. When America finally speaks, surprises have been known to happen. Keep the faith. If it goes to Obama, we have no choice but to accept that and support him. If it goes to McCain, I hope the Dems can do the same thing.
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    Oct 21, 2008 8:42 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said


    Don't throw in the towel just yet, Marc_Four, because the fat lady hasn't started singing. It didn't look terribly good for George Bush before the 2000 election.



    But they looked better after "chads began hanging" didn't it???
    I've often wondered if "W" had to face the electorate this year what the results would be. I bet he would be squashed by 15 or 20 points nationwide and would win only a few states. There wouldn't be any more mistakes
    like in 2000 or 2004.
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    Oct 21, 2008 8:46 PM GMT
    Personally, I do not want to vote for either candidate. Obama makes vague promises for "change" without specifics and McCain is...well, McCain. I'll be glad when this is over. Who wins will take a beating in January regardless. Sorry to sound cynical, but I have seen this movie too many times.
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    Marc_Four --- Buddy you raise some very good points about the economics of taxation. I think the best way to explain what Obama wants to do on this subject has to do with correcting our current similarity between the spread of wealth in our country now to that of the great depression. (a very small percentage has the greatest portion of the US wealth as back then, the NEW DEAL, redistributed the wealth) Because of Reagonomics on down to Bush policies of funneling wealth to primarily the wealthy and corporations,(corporate welfare policies) the wealth is not recirculating as it should. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Going back to taxing the wealthy, ending corporate welfare for big oil and such, and creating policies that for instance raise minimum wages and, US infrastructure programs will put the public back to work, and wealth back into the hands of the spending public, which in turn starts to get money in the economy moving again, which increases orders to corporations, who then invest in additional facilities, to produce more items the public wants and needs.(who is now making and spending more money because of an Obama NEW DEAL) This is "TRICKLE UP ECONOMICS" Democrat style. You see "TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS" is currently being shown again as a failure. It won't work !!! Large corparations or wealthy people will not invest in facilities for making items for a public who have no money to spend to buy them. It is historicly a fact that the economy of the US is usually better (more vibrant/moving/recirculating money) for the working man during Democraticly influenced economies. the Wealthy and corporations fair better under Republicans leaving the working man behind. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR FROM AN OBAMA PRESIDENCY, and I'd spread a lot more blame for those bad loans than to just Clinton, you had Phil Graham and a lot of other people pushing for deregulation of banking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from reading your post, if I were your father, I'd be very proud of you, because you show a great deal of good common sense thinking !!!! If more had your thinking there would have been far fewer forclosures I'm sure. I just had to compliment you !!! With your approach to your situation, I'm sure you'll succeed !!! whether in a "TRICKLE DOWN" or a "TRICKLE UP" economic political climate. LOL !!!I wish you the best !!!
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    YAY more politics on our boards where RJ Republicans and RJ Democrats will never agree.

    Here are some pro-tips to all future posters:

    @ Democrats
    RJ Democrats you will NOT convince RJ Republicans of your views.
    RJ Republicans are not racist nor are they self-contradictory gay-haters.

    @ Republicans
    RJ Republicans nothing you say will every be looked at as beneficial or insightful.
    RJ Republicans, while you are not bad gays, 90% of the Democrats on these boards think you are.
    Everyone blames you for everything wrong.


    There ya go, I just summed up every post on dem vs. rep ever made here with the exception of back and forth arguments between Red_Vespa, GQ, John, and the occasional "I hope you die of AIDS" from zeebyaboi.
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    Pattison saidYou may well feel, think Obama will be good for America! But will he be good for the rest of the world? Remember it's not just America that is effected by American politics. Many other parts of the world are too! So will Obama be good for us?

    This does give non Americans a right to a say in American politics! We should also be given a vote, while America plays Big Brother.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What on earth are you implying???? You seem to be saying that bush improved our world, but that you have doubts abour Obama's being able to !!!!! GIVE ME A BREAK !!! Bush's Military man himself wouldn't even say that we are safer because of bush's Iraq war for instance, It would be a great "REACH" for any American President to fuck up as much as the bush/cheney administration did. The world I read about are praying for an OBAMA, and an end to any semblance of bush type leadership. Which world have you been reading about for the last 8 years anyways???????
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    I honestly think it is fun to scroll all the way to the right to see the one missing word that realifedad typed. I am sitting here going, "what could it be, what could it be...OOOO it is 'what' "
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    Oct 22, 2008 6:14 PM GMT
    I disagree, I don't think Obama is going to win at all. I see a landslide for McCain. Just watch, California and New York will go Red.



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    John,

    I am now convinced that you are blind. The day that California and New York goes RED will be the day that Texas and AZ votes blue.We know that would NEVER happen!

    You have convinced me that you makes these statements to get a rise out of us.

    You go John! Job well done! 8-)

  • Barricade

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    Oct 22, 2008 7:07 PM GMT
    At this point are we talking about who is going to be the next President of the United States or who's gonna win the fucking Super Bowl? lol. I'm confused.