LGBT Military Family Group Denounces San Francisco Pride, Others Call For Boycott. SF Pride Cancels Bradley Manning As Grand Marshal

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    Apr 27, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
    This idiot should have never been invited in the first place. Seriously, who thought this was a good idea?


    http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/04/lgbt-military-family-group-denounces.html#disqus_thread
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    Apr 27, 2013 3:54 AM GMT
    "Bradley Manning is facing the military justice system of this country. We all await the decision of that system. However, until that time, even the hint of support for actions which placed in harms way the lives of our men and women in uniform — and countless others, military and civilian alike — will not be tolerated by the leadership of San Francisco Pride."

    I don't support what Bradley Manning did, but from a PR point of view, this is an awful statement. It's straight up "guilty until proven innocent."

    But what a huge misstep by SF Pride. And is Bradley Manning even gay?
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    Apr 27, 2013 3:55 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said"Bradley Manning is facing the military justice system of this country. We all await the decision of that system. However, until that time, even the hint of support for actions which placed in harms way the lives of our men and women in uniform — and countless others, military and civilian alike — will not be tolerated by the leadership of San Francisco Pride."

    I don't support what Bradley Manning did, but from a PR point of view, this is an awful statement. It's straight up "guilty until proven innocent."

    But what a huge misstep by SF Pride. And is Bradley Manning even gay?


    But Manning already admitted that he leaked the information. What else does he need to do?


    And yes he is trans actually, whatever that means...he is still a man though as he is in jail currently...
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    Apr 27, 2013 3:59 AM GMT
    This was the protest announcement:
    SFpetition2.jpg

    But correct me if I'm wrong, but although Bradley Manning participated in the public release of classified information, just because it's in the public domain doesn't mean that it was "turned...over to our enemies." That is a big stretch of the facts that could not be legally supported.
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    Apr 27, 2013 4:02 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 said
    coolarmydude said"Bradley Manning is facing the military justice system of this country. We all await the decision of that system. However, until that time, even the hint of support for actions which placed in harms way the lives of our men and women in uniform — and countless others, military and civilian alike — will not be tolerated by the leadership of San Francisco Pride."

    I don't support what Bradley Manning did, but from a PR point of view, this is an awful statement. It's straight up "guilty until proven innocent."

    But what a huge misstep by SF Pride. And is Bradley Manning even gay?


    But Manning already admitted that he leaked the information. What else does he need to do?
    And yes he is trans actually, whatever that means...he is still a man though as he is in jail currently...


    But the facts have to present itself that his actions put our troops in harms way. That has not been proven. And to this day, no one has been harmed from the release of the information.
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    Apr 27, 2013 4:02 AM GMT
    I didn't even know the guy was gay ?icon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 27, 2013 4:04 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    jmusmc85 said
    coolarmydude said"Bradley Manning is facing the military justice system of this country. We all await the decision of that system. However, until that time, even the hint of support for actions which placed in harms way the lives of our men and women in uniform — and countless others, military and civilian alike — will not be tolerated by the leadership of San Francisco Pride."

    I don't support what Bradley Manning did, but from a PR point of view, this is an awful statement. It's straight up "guilty until proven innocent."

    But what a huge misstep by SF Pride. And is Bradley Manning even gay?


    But Manning already admitted that he leaked the information. What else does he need to do?
    And yes he is trans actually, whatever that means...he is still a man though as he is in jail currently...


    But the facts have to present itself that his actions put our troops in harms way. That has not been proven. And to this day, no one has been harmed from the release of the information.


    Is that really relevant?

    If a guy drives home drunk and doesn't hurt anybody is he any less guilty of driving drunk?
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    Apr 27, 2013 4:05 AM GMT
    Joshieboi saidI didn't even know the guy was gay ?icon_neutral.gif


    I'd let you pound the fuck outta me.
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    Apr 27, 2013 4:05 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidThis was the protest announcement:
    SFpetition2.jpg

    But correct me if I'm wrong, but although Bradley Manning participated in the public release of classified information, just because it's in the public domain doesn't mean that it was "turned...over to our enemies." That is a big stretch of the facts that could not be legally supported.


    I'll correct you. That's exactly what it means. He released classified information to a site who's express purpose is to widely disseminate that information. He's admitted to that. If it's available on the Internet it's available to our enemies. There isn't a way to argue around that.
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    Apr 27, 2013 4:07 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 said
    But the facts have to present itself that his actions put our troops in harms way. That has not been proven. And to this day, no one has been harmed from the release of the information.


    Is that really relevant?

    If a guy drives home drunk and doesn't hurt anybody is he any less guilty of driving drunk?

    I think you missed the point. Just because something is classified doesn't automatically mean that it's harmful information. It's not the same thing to compare it to drunk driving.
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    Apr 27, 2013 4:11 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    jmusmc85 said
    But the facts have to present itself that his actions put our troops in harms way. That has not been proven. And to this day, no one has been harmed from the release of the information.


    Is that really relevant?

    If a guy drives home drunk and doesn't hurt anybody is he any less guilty of driving drunk?

    I think you missed the point. Just because something is classified doesn't automatically mean that it's harmful information. It's not the same thing to compare it to drunk driving.


    It was probably a bad analogy, but you get my point.

    Either way, he's a shit bag. He knew exactly what he was doing and did it anyways. He should have been kicked out in basic, but he fought to stay in. Only to do what?

    He isn't a hero and no damn servicemember, gay or straight, would have picked him as someone to honor.

    Actually Eric Alva, the first American service member to be injured in Iraq is a semi-friend of mine.

    If I understand the story correctly, he was also going to attend the SF Pride but would have not if Manning was the grand marshal.
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    Apr 27, 2013 4:25 AM GMT
    MikeVmax saidIf it's available on the Internet it's available to our enemies.


    Oh please! I have never heard anything more typical of a product of a police state. I suggest you do some reading - Voltaire, George Orwell for a start. And start to think independently and lose that brain-washed crowd instinct.
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    Apr 27, 2013 5:25 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    I don't support what Bradley Manning did, but from a PR point of view, this is an awful statement. It's straight up "guilty until proven innocent."


    He admitted he committed the crime. The question is not his guilt or innocence, the question is whether you believe he's a hero or a traitor for his known behavior.

    From a PR point of view, it's not a good look to have a person whom half of the country sees as a modern day Benedict Arnold as the face of your event.
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    Apr 27, 2013 5:32 AM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/26/bradley-manning-grand-marshal_n_3167255.html

    "Racing to stanch a flow of criticism, the president of San Francisco's annual gay pride celebration said Friday that the U.S. Army private charged in a massive leak of U.S. secrets to the WikiLeaks website will not be an honorary grand marshal after all..."
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    Apr 27, 2013 5:32 AM GMT
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    MikeVmax saidIf it's available on the Internet it's available to our enemies.


    Oh please! I have never heard anything more typical of a product of a police state. I suggest you do some reading - Voltaire, George Orwell for a start. And start to think independently and lose that brain-washed crowd instinct.


    Reading won't make anyone think independently that doesn't do it anyway. It's something that comes from within. At the end of the day three things are apparent:

    1. This "police state" protects my way of life.
    2. This nation has enemies.
    3. This nation's enemies know how to use the internet.

    You can argue all you want about what you want to trade in freedom for security but in my opinion its worked out pretty well. I can say most anything I want to without fear of getting arrested for the content. I can go anywhere I want without permission from the government. I can do any job I can get someone to pay me for. I can drive across the country with the reasonable expectation that I won't get robbed or die. These are all things that aren't a given everywhere else in the world.

    I'm ok with that tradeoff. That asshat threatened that and I personally take issue with it.
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    Apr 27, 2013 6:58 AM GMT
    Regardless of what side of the fence you're on, he committed a crime by stealing and leaking privileged information. There is absolutely no doubt about that.

    I just find it funny/sad that no one really knows who he is, and everyone knows who Julian Assange is. I don't think Manning thought this out very well.
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    Apr 27, 2013 7:15 AM GMT
    MikeVmax said
    coolarmydude saidThis was the protest announcement:
    SFpetition2.jpg

    But correct me if I'm wrong, but although Bradley Manning participated in the public release of classified information, just because it's in the public domain doesn't mean that it was "turned...over to our enemies." That is a big stretch of the facts that could not be legally supported.


    I'll correct you. That's exactly what it means. He released classified information to a site who's express purpose is to widely disseminate that information. He's admitted to that. If it's available on the Internet it's available to our enemies. There isn't a way to argue around that.


    Bradley Manning is a hero. He released information that the US army knew some of their soldiers had killed innocent civilians on purpose and still did not decide to punish or prosecute them. Bradley Manning deserves a medal of honor. If there were more soldiers like Manning then there wouldn't be so many "silent" rapes or other atrocities in the military. He's a hero.
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    Apr 27, 2013 7:17 AM GMT
    OMG!!! I have EXCLUSIVE footage of Manning as he leaked the classified information!!!!











































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    Apr 27, 2013 7:20 AM GMT
    Here's what WikiLeaks revealed:

    http://www.bradleymanning.org/news/what-did-wikileaks-reveal

    Explain how any of this "puts soldiers in harm's way". Newsflash: They're already in harm's way by being in a war. All Pvt. Manning revealed was the crimes against civilians committed by the US in its wars against Iraq and Afghanistan. This didn't endanger anything except public support for the wars. Clearly, Manning released it because his conscience as a human being demanded him to. He put what he felt was right over everything else, risking his own personal liberty to get the truth out there.

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    Apr 27, 2013 7:34 AM GMT
    Stan24 saidExplain how any of this "puts soldiers in harm's way". Newsflash: They're already in harm's way by being in a war. All Pvt. Manning revealed was the crimes against civilians committed by the US in its wars against Iraq and Afghanistan. This didn't endanger anything except public support for the wars. Clearly, Manning released it because his conscience as a human being demanded him to. He put what he felt was right over everything else, risking his own personal liberty to get the truth out there.


    You were doing good up until all the hogwash about Manning's conscience and humanity and all that crap.

    He did it because he was disgruntled, gender confused, and emotionally unstable. Let's not make him into Aristotle.
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    Apr 27, 2013 7:36 AM GMT
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    Stan24 saidExplain how any of this "puts soldiers in harm's way". Newsflash: They're already in harm's way by being in a war. All Pvt. Manning revealed was the crimes against civilians committed by the US in its wars against Iraq and Afghanistan. This didn't endanger anything except public support for the wars. Clearly, Manning released it because his conscience as a human being demanded him to. He put what he felt was right over everything else, risking his own personal liberty to get the truth out there.


    You were doing good up until all the hogwash about Manning's conscience and humanity and all that crap.

    He did it because he was disgruntled, gender confused, and emotionally unstable. Let's not make him into Aristotle.


    Leave Aristoshark outta this!!! He had nothing to do with it!!!icon_mad.gif
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    Apr 27, 2013 7:44 AM GMT
    I'm totally stealing this from someone else but it sums up what I think perfectly...

    He confessed to doing it. And it has been verified. But more importantly, if he was whistleblowing on a war crime, then he would've just released the material related to that. Instead, he released as much as he could, mostly classified, and in no relation to any war crime. That is what makes him a treasonous traitor instead of a whistleblower. To say he is innocent is saying that the Boston bombers are innocent, since they have not been found guilty yet. And both of them have confessed. I seriously doubt either will be found not guilty.
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    Apr 27, 2013 11:07 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    coolarmydude said
    I don't support what Bradley Manning did, but from a PR point of view, this is an awful statement. It's straight up "guilty until proven innocent."


    He admitted he committed the crime. The question is not his guilt or innocence, the question is whether you believe he's a hero or a traitor for his known behavior.

    From a PR point of view, it's not a good look to have a person whom half of the country sees as a modern day Benedict Arnold as the face of your event.


    I said, "But what a huge misstep by SF Pride." You didn't have to frame it in a mocking tone and presume I didn't see it that way. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 27, 2013 1:16 PM GMT
    What more do you expect from leftist communist San Francisco.They make NYC look conservative.I am happy Pope Benedict appointed a real right wing Archbishop out there to annoy them.Making a traitor Grand Marshall of the Pride parade out there is no shock.There must be a magnet under the city that shifted after the 1906 earthquake that attracts every freak in the world.That being said it is quite pretty.icon_smile.gif Ryan
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    Apr 27, 2013 3:42 PM GMT
    Bradley Manning exposed war crimes and I support him. Watch this video he released before judging him:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

    "Wikileaks has obtained and decrypted this previously unreleased video footage from a US Apache helicopter in 2007. It shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Eldeen, driver Saeed Chmagh, and several others as the Apache shoots and kills them in a public square in Eastern Baghdad. They are apparently assumed to be insurgents. After the initial shooting, an unarmed group of adults and children in a minivan arrives on the scene and attempts to transport the wounded. They are fired upon as well. The official statement on this incident initially listed all adults as insurgents and claimed the US military did not know how the deaths ocurred. Wikileaks released this video with transcripts and a package of supporting documents on April 5th 2010 on http://collateralmurder.com"

    I was happy that he was finally getting some respect but it turned out not to be. Here is a good analysis of what happened:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/27/bradley-manning-sf-gay-pride