Liberals blame Texas explosion on "libertarian zoning laws" before investigation is even complete

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    Apr 27, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    So there are some like metta8 and others who blame supposed "libertarian zoning" laws on what happened in West, Texas despite a few thorny facts:

    1. Fertilizer that may have caused Texas explosion is rare:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/25/texas-explosion-fertilizer-ammonium-nitrate/2108571/

    2. The plant was not compliant with existing regulations - so by the logic of liberals more regulations are needed? That kind of makes them idiots.
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/25/us/texas-explosion-plant/index.html

    3. The investigation hasn't been nearly completed.

    Meanwhile... in libertarian zoned Boston -

    Look up "LNG" in this article:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Boston

    So how far to take the absurd logic? In the aftermath of September 11th, should schools and any other buildings that have people be zoned as far away from tall buildings as possible?
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    Apr 27, 2013 6:38 PM GMT
    And in other news from Canada...
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    Apr 27, 2013 7:30 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidAnd in other news from Canada...


    Restrictive zoning also happens in Canada - but it's absurd to blame this disaster on zoning. My guess is that this attack on Texas is more about a growing recognition of how zoning kills innovation and jobs - and a fear of those who value central planning over an individual's property rights.

    e.g. http://reason.com/archives/2013/04/21/front-porches-now-ground-zero-in-propert
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    Apr 27, 2013 7:39 PM GMT
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    ART_DECO saidAnd in other news from Canada...

    Restrictive zoning also happens in Canada - but it's absurd to blame this disaster on zoning.

    The issue is about Texas having LITTLE restrictive zoning. Please read the preceding posts. Canada is not a valid comparison.

    And there is nothing "absurd" about discussing the issue of zoning. The lack of zoning in this case put explosive chemicals within killing range of a populated area that included schools, playgrounds, residences, and a nursing home.

    This disaster is ALL ABOUT real estate zoning. But maybe when you become an American citizen you can discuss this with us. We're discussing AMERICAN zoning laws, not Canadian. When that topic surfaces do give us a post.
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    Apr 27, 2013 7:42 PM GMT
    Isn't there already a thread about this? You don't have to start a new one, just because you disagree with something. It looks a bit desperate.
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    Apr 27, 2013 7:52 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    riddler78 said
    ART_DECO saidAnd in other news from Canada...

    Restrictive zoning also happens in Canada - but it's absurd to blame this disaster on zoning.

    The issue is about Texas having LITTLE restrictive zoning. Please read the preceding posts. Canada is not a valid comparison.

    And there is nothing "absurd" about discussing the issue of zoning. The lack of zoning in this case put explosive chemicals within killing range of a populated area that included schools, playgrounds, residences, and a nursing home.

    This disaster is ALL ABOUT real estate zoning. But maybe when you become an American citizen you can discuss this with us. We're discussing AMERICAN zoning laws, not Canadian. When that topic surfaces do give us a post.


    Except again, the underlying issues haven't even been established - and further, the nitrates weren't even declared under existing laws - so it's even more unclear how this would have helped.

    This disaster has little to do with real estate zoning. And no, this is about Texan zoning laws - and do you live in Texas?
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    Apr 27, 2013 7:53 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIsn't there already a thread about this? You don't have to start a new one, just because you disagree with something. It looks a bit desperate.


    To you perhaps, but given the title of the other posting which is deliberately on its face offensive, this thread was posted as an alternative.
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    Apr 27, 2013 8:04 PM GMT
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    Except again, the underlying issues haven't even been established - and further, the nitrates weren't even declared under existing laws - so it's even more unclear how this would have helped.

    This disaster has little to do with real estate zoning. And no, this is about Texan zoning laws - and do you live in Texas?

    I resided in Texas over 4 years, and it was my legal voting residence for 9 years, also providing my State drivers license during that time (due to military service), and I voted in every Texas election, even by absentee ballot. I was legally a Texas citizen. I've also been in West. And your own association with Texas is what?

    And actually the nitrates WERE declared under existing laws, but only to a Texas State agency, which took no action. Local authorities, and especially the emergency responders, were NOT informed of the presence of ammonium nitrate, which is an explosive chemical, as they should have been. That lack of information likely contributed to the deaths of responding firefighters, who didn't realize the full extent of the danger, and how to properly deal with it.

    But again, please explain to us what YOUR Canadian interest in this is? Why are YOU arguing for no zoning laws in Texas, that might have prevented deaths in the town of West? Not prevented the accident, but limited its human impact if this facility had been located a few miles outside of town. Please explain your interest in this, and your arguing for having no zoning laws enacted applicable to this disaster in Texas, or in any other US State.
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    Apr 27, 2013 8:14 PM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    ART_DECO saidAnd in other news from Canada...

    I think you mean "And in other news from Hong Kong". icon_cool.gif

    That, too. icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 27, 2013 8:49 PM GMT
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    Except again, the underlying issues haven't even been established - and further, the nitrates weren't even declared under existing laws - so it's even more unclear how this would have helped.

    This disaster has little to do with real estate zoning. And no, this is about Texan zoning laws - and do you live in Texas?

    I resided in Texas over 4 years, and it was my legal voting residence for 9 years, also providing my State drivers license during that time (due to military service), and I voted in every Texas election, even by absentee ballot. I was legally a Texas citizen. I've also been in West. And your own association with Texas is what?

    And actually the nitrates WERE declared under existing laws, but only to a Texas State agency, which took no action. Local authorities, and especially the emergency responders, were NOT informed of the presence of ammonium nitrate, which is an explosive chemical, as they should have been. That lack of information likely contributed to the deaths of responding firefighters, who didn't realize the full extent of the danger, and how to properly deal with it.

    But again, please explain to us what YOUR Canadian interest in this is? Why are YOU arguing for no zoning laws in Texas, that might have prevented deaths in the town of West? Not prevented the accident, but limited its human impact if this facility had been located a few miles outside of town. Please explain your interest in this, and your arguing for having no zoning laws enacted applicable to this disaster in Texas, or in any other US State.


    My interest is in the zoning - if you no longer live or vote there, what's your point in commenting at this point now?

    And as for the nitrates - again, as noted, they are little used even in the production of fertilizer (see point #1) - to blame this wholesale as a matter of zoning is similar to banning tall buildings because they fall using evidence of the twin towers at the World Trade Center.

    You seem to also make the logical leap that I am against all zoning - when I've pointed out that blaming that for this disaster is ridiculous - but you were never one for logic or reason anyway as evidenced by your previous posts.