This is just sick!

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    Oct 21, 2008 1:24 PM GMT
    I not being a hunter myself and having only handled a gun a few times because my ex-lover was an avid hunter. But one of the things he said to me that hunters only hunt adult and not babies.

    What happen at Western Carolina University is very disburbing and upseting!

    CULLOWHEE, N.C. – Police at Western Carolina University and wildlife officials were investigating the discovery early Monday of a dead bear cub draped with a pair of Barack Obama campaign signs.

    Leila Tvedt, associate vice chancellor for public relations, said Monday night that maintenance workers found the 75-pound bear cub shot to death in front of the school's administration building at the entrance to campus. The Obama yard signs were stapled together and placed over the bear's head, Tvedt said.

    The bear had been shot in the head, Tvedt said.

    "Western Carolina University deplores the inappropriate behavior that has led to this troubling incident," Tvedt said. "We cannot speculate on the motives of the people involved nor who those people might be. Campus police are cooperating fully with authorities to investigate this matter."

    University police called in state Wildlife Resources officials to remove the body and help in the investigation.

    Bear season is under way in western North Carolina.

    I am very upset that some careless hunter would stalk and kill a defenseless bear cub.icon_cry.gif

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    Oct 21, 2008 3:04 PM GMT
    rednecks!
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    Oct 21, 2008 3:07 PM GMT
    ass-wipes

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    Oct 21, 2008 3:08 PM GMT
    politics shouldn't even be in play here - it would still be deplorable if the cub had McCain-Palin signs on it.

    Anyone else notice a troubling trend amongst today's college students regarding grossly inappropriate social conduct?
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    Oct 21, 2008 3:25 PM GMT
    This outrageous act against wild life has nothing to do with politics, that is why I did not mention the political implications of this senseless crime!

    COJock- yes have noticed the trend that you mentioned, it's very troubling.
    They are going to intrusted with welfare of the nation in 10 to 20 years.
    It's scares the hell out of me!
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    Oct 21, 2008 3:31 PM GMT
    No guarantee that it was a student who committed this act - could have been someone sending a "message" to student voters. Deplorable.

    But then this is in NC (a state I love, as my Dad was from there), where during the Clinton administration jesse Helms advised that it wouldn't be safe for BC to visit ...

    When you see the bloodfests that come out of Hollywood, it's no wonder that these sick-os go about doing such things. But then, such acts existed long before the movies! (See Greek Drama 101).

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    Oct 21, 2008 3:34 PM GMT
    Ya, this is pretty sick.


    But are young people worse than when you guys were that age? Watch out gents. Pretty soon you will be telling kids to get off your lawn and looking forward to Friday night bingo.
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    Oct 21, 2008 3:38 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidYa, this is pretty sick.


    But are young people worse than when you guys were that age? Watch out gents. Pretty soon you will be telling kids to get off your lawn and looking forward to Friday night bingo.


    Are young people worse off than they used to be? Overall the violence does seem to have gone up among young people. Matter of fact they are the only demographic around that is showing an increase in violent crime in Canada (in terms of per 100, not in terms of gross #s). We could speculate for hours why, but that is a conversation for another day.

    I personally like animals, even potentially dangerous ones like bears, so yes this is a pretty disgusting story. Some people in our society have slipped on the ladder of evolution I'm afraid.
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    Oct 21, 2008 3:43 PM GMT
    I think that it is troubling that someone would do this.

    BUT...

    COJock1974 saidAnyone else notice a troubling trend amongst today's college students regarding grossly inappropriate social conduct?


    We cannot say it was college students (though the placement does put blame on them) and we cannot that this is just something "today's college students" are doing since actions like these have occurred before some of the students attending college were even born. Thanks to the internet and other new communication systems acts/information, like the cub being killed, is easily available to people.

    It only takes a few people to make the whole look bad.
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    Oct 21, 2008 3:52 PM GMT
    That's funny so Hollywood is responsible now. I was born and raised in Los Angeles & Hollywood and I get so sick and tired of people blaming bad,crude and insane behavior on Hollywood.

    Hollywood did not shoot this bear cub in the head and murdered it.

    A human being did this. Let me tell being a native of Southern California
    When some people arrive there they are pretty much damaged goods when they get off the plane, bus train or when the get out of the car.

    If I do something good or bad, I don't blame a city. I'm responsible for my actions no one else me. I don't blame a city because no can make me do anything that I do not want to do.

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    Oct 21, 2008 4:06 PM GMT
    Ducky, I too was raised in and around Hollywood, and while I don't blame Hollywood per se, I do think a fair point can be made that the type of entertainment that Hollywood puts out contains a far greater degree of acceptance of violence, especially gun violence, than movies out of, say, Great Britain, Australia, or India. At the same time, Hollywood tends to have a very sick and unsound attitude towards healthy displays of human sexuality. And it's still true that Hollywood looks upon Gays as fodder for caracature and inane comedy, or as sociopathic murderers in slasher films, rather than the humans that we are often shown to be in European films.

    Having said that, I too, like hunting, and fishing, and I very much enjoy gun ownership. But, I will say, that Americans often have a sick attitude toward hunting, doing it more for "sport" and taking of "trophys" than for the use of the animal as food and as a gift from The Great Spirit. Just looking at the covers of hunting magazines showing some redneck proudly posing for a picture with a buck he has just shot makes me wanna puke. Not necessarily because he shot it, but because he has to show off what a big man he is by taking a picture with it, which is insulting to the animal's spirit.

    I bet the person who shot that poor cub loves those magazines.
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    Oct 21, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    I mentioned Hollywood movies, because it's undeniable that some of them are grosser and grosser in terms of violence today. But I did say such things existed long before Hollywood, films or even the good old USA.

    The perpetrator of this crime must also have violated the terms of "bear hunting season" - I would think that immature animals are off limits. (Though immature animal is a phrase that could be applied elsewhere here.)
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    Oct 21, 2008 10:00 PM GMT
    Here in Britain, during the years under Tony Blair as Prime Minister, hunting became a big issue, mainly because many animal welfare people saw hunting not as a pest control, as the hunters themselves would explain, but as a cruel sport.
    I'm talking about hunting foxes with dogs. It was banned by the Blair Government, I think, in 2006, after months of bickering and debating over the Bill to ban hunting. When in Parliament the Bill was finally passed, over a slight majority vote as well, it caused such a commotion, that a pro-hunt pop singer ran into the House of Commons and screamed in protest, along with a massive pro-hunt crowd carrying placards, protesting at Parliament Square just outside.
    "An erosion of British values!" they cried.
    Precisely. Fox hunting was a quintessentially English sport where a pack of hounds chased a fox mercilessly until exhausted, and unable to run any further. Then the entire pack would rip it to shreds alive.
    Ducky44 mentions personal responsibility. In one sense that is true. But looking at the mass of protest against the Bill tells me that this is not just personal responsibility. Rather the Bill was an offence to ENGLAND. The very fact that the Bill was so controversial shows that fox hunting was as much British as eating with knife and fork is as opposed to eating with chopsticks. Furthermore, foxhunting had always been backed by posh magazines like "Country Life".
    I agree that foxes can be a pest to livestock. I agree that a culling maybe is necessary to protect livestock. But there is a world of a difference between a well-aimed single shot in the head, and the agonising terror of a bloodthirsty pack of hounds.
    I am British and life here is pretty good. But I do have issues with my fellow countryman and his ways we call "culture". Institutional racism is one issue. The love of foxhunting is another.
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    Oct 22, 2008 3:37 AM GMT
    What's the expression ...

    "The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible." Oscar Wilde
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    Oct 22, 2008 4:07 AM GMT
    Sigh... I hate animal cruelty. That fox hunting thing sucks too... how would those hunters like being chased around and ripped to shreds alive? >=(