Id like to see people's reaction to this video...either a person who eats meat and those that don't...

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    Sep 05, 2007 10:28 PM GMT
    http://www.chooseveg.com/animal-cruelty.asp?gclid=CN_3xIeurY4CFSgRGgodIl3mZQ
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    Sep 06, 2007 1:45 AM GMT
    another movie to watch is Earthlings. it is quite a bit longer (1 hour and 35 minutes to be exact) but it has a lot of information, if you have the time.
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    Sep 06, 2007 1:48 AM GMT
    this video is to just show people what we've been telling them about....its a personal journey to watch it i think and i dont mind if people share thoughts or not on it.

    just watch. see. feel.

    it's powerful stuff
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    Sep 06, 2007 2:23 AM GMT
    Well, you did ask, so, I don't want to see any tears from you boys, ok?

    Here's my reaction to that video:

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    I can post more reactions if you like.

    You like?
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    Sep 06, 2007 2:25 AM GMT
    Yes, tears and plenty, but that was from choking on my dinner! Please someone give me the Heimlich maneuver!
    You really ought to just behave one of these days McGay.
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    Sep 06, 2007 2:59 AM GMT
    Man, thank you so much for posting this video. So many of my friends just can't understand why I don't eat meat. Now I can just show them instead of trying to explain it to them.

    Namaste,
    Den
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:00 AM GMT
    That video is horrifying. Years ago, I was assigned a story on factory farming of chickens. After seeing their living conditions and how they were butchered, I couldn't eat chicken for a year.

    But -- good or bad -- there's some kind of disassociation that makes it possible to eat meat without thinking about where it came from. My last partner grew up on a farm and he used to tell me he'd become attached to everything from chickens to pigs to cows. Then he would sit down to dinner and be informed he was eating a pet. It's hard for me to imagine that.

    I have to say the recipes on that site are pretty darn horrifying, using a lot of canned food, packaged spice combinations -- even Fritos, for god's sake. I have two vegetarian friends who are very obese.

    I eat frequently in Asian vegetarian restaurants (especially south Indian) and the food is usually far better than the American-style veg places, which always seem to use an abundance of phony "Mexican" flavors. We've had some high-end gourmet vegetarian places open in Atlanta, but they never seem to last very long.
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:02 AM GMT
    we have a few pretty decent places here in NYC, you should check some of them out if you're ever in town. Im picking up a book tomorrow or friday that pretty much lists them all out. I'll flp through it and give some reccomendations
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:03 AM GMT
    Check out www.vegweb.com for thousands of good vegetarian/vegan recipes that rely more on vegetables then "meat substitutes". In my opinion, one of the best vegetarian recipe sites out there.

    -Den
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:04 AM GMT
    Namaste Den


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    Sep 06, 2007 3:11 AM GMT
    My uncle never told me what happened to my favorite pet pig "arnold ziffield" who ate corn from my hand, but then again I never told him I ran into his pick-up with his favorite John Deere tractor .. Nothing runs like a Deere .. except a kid who just drove one into a truck.

    Also my dad never told me what he did with the dozen or so egg laying chickens we had, I was just glad that I didn't have to walk in chicken shit to get the eggs!

    We see what we want to see and hear what we want to hear.
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:12 AM GMT
    Well, I haven't eaten canned, processed food, spongy grocery-store bread and stinky, fake spices in years. If vegetarianism becomes popular in mobile home parks, the recipes on chooseveg.com will be very popular.

    And why is so much made to resemble meat? If meat is murder, why replicate it?
  • fryblock

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    Sep 06, 2007 3:15 AM GMT
    i posted this on the peta forum but here it is again. they form the protein matter in shapes that are familiar to it. also, many people who ate meat before could miss those foods, even though they couldnt imagine eating the real thing anymore. so people can want to eat something that resembles meat, only things didnt have to die to make it, so no guilt.
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:17 AM GMT
    fry, there are other shapes I am familiar with but I wouldn't want to eat them .. lol
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:22 AM GMT
    We used to have chickens when I was a kid -- actually ours were pretty humanely treated, as they were for eggs, not meat, and had a nice run, and were allowed out in the yard often as well. I did, however, also look after a chicken run much like one of those in the movie. There were there to provied eggs for the patients in the hospital.

    Yeah, it wasn't pleasant. They were pretty cramped, and died quite frequently -- and then other hens weren't nice when you tried to remove the dead one and pecked at my hands. Plus the racket they made. We also would trim down there beaks and put it against a hot iron to stop it from bleeding. That is pretty necessary though when they are in such cramped condition because they will peck each other to death. The worse though was mucking the place out! Ugh! I was lazy too and would wait until the chicken shit was a couple feet high before mucking it out, and this was by hand with a shovel. When you turned over it over with a shovel there were maggots crawling throughout manure fat amd white. Lovely quite lovely -- plust when you just had it clean and as your were spraying it off they woulf of course shit on it again and start the same cycle all over.

    I agree with OW you just dissociate. And honestly I hand't thought about it in quite a while -- and at that time I was completely vegetarian. Chickens really are stupid though, as one friend used to say: There's nothing wrong with eatin chicken beacuse they're as stupid as a cabbage.
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:22 AM GMT
    it really helps people fit into an accepted culture, like hot dogs on 4th of july.

    why not tofudogs or soydogs.....you cant put blocks of tofu onto a grill and then onto a bun ha.....it has emotional ties and social ones too. we arnt trying to alienate ourselves from the rest of the world, like owl975 seems to think.
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:23 AM GMT
    Yes, I suspected it was a matter of missing the texture of meat. I ordered "chicken" at a vegetarian Chinese restaurant here and received a plate with a soy object in the shape of a live chicken. It was more disquieting than eating chicken as it's usually prepared.

    I think it's more artful to create dishes that don't allude to meat. South Indian food is completely satisfying without posing as meat.

    As it happens, I ate a "black-eyed pea burger" tonight at a restaurant. It was grim. I would have much rather had a plate of black eyed peas with garnishes.
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:24 AM GMT
    it really helps people fit into an accepted culture, like hot dogs on 4th of july.

    why not tofudogs or soydogs.....you cant put blocks of tofu onto a grill and then onto a bun ha.....it has emotional ties and social ones too. we arnt trying to alienate ourselves from the rest of the world, like owl975 seems to think.
  • fryblock

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    Sep 06, 2007 3:28 AM GMT
    yea, a burger place here had a grains burger, its actually really good.
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:29 AM GMT
    You wanna take this meat-eating- thing to the next level check out this flick,


    "Parents" (1989)
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:32 AM GMT
    wrerick: "Yeah, it wasn't pleasant. They were pretty cramped, and died quite frequently -- and then other hens weren't nice when you tried to remove the dead one and pecked at my hands. "

    See wrerick, thats when you walk into the chicken pen dressed like Colonel Sanders with a cane and say to the chickens .. "What we have here .. is a failure to communicate .."
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    Sep 06, 2007 3:51 AM GMT
    Yeah, and the chickens look at you blankly, and go back to pecking each other. Well that and even in my halloween best, I hardly approximate C.S.
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    Sep 06, 2007 4:05 AM GMT
    wrerick, you gotta work with me here son. But speaking of cruelty to animals, whats up with that pet pic in your profile? I heard of Siamese twins, but that cat/dog thing is strange. What do you call it? A Dat? A Cog?

    And Doc Obscene, whats up with that devil Cat of yours? You should call that Jesus guy that comes to your house to exorcise it .. or at least get it some visine!
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    Sep 06, 2007 4:14 AM GMT
    An exorcism would be good for OW -- might awake is aged soul.

    ActiveAndFit: yah mean the Colonel thought chickens was intelligent? You'h s***ing me right?

    That dawg and cat, they jus having a bonding moment over that there cat bed. Now common what's a newrotic dawg gonna do tek charge cat?
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    Sep 06, 2007 6:39 AM GMT
    Id rather gouge my eyes out than eat a tofu burger or hot dog! Vile stuff!

    Reaction to video? None really wouldnt change my perspetive in the slightest