Tsarnaev family received $100G in benefits

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    Apr 30, 2013 3:23 PM GMT
    http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tsarnaev_family_received_100g_in_benefits

    The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance — a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

    “The breadth of the benefits the family was receiving was stunning,” said a person with knowledge of documents handed over to a legislative committee today.

    The state has handed over more than 500 documents to the 11-member House Post Audit and Oversight Committee, which today met for the first time and plans to call in officials from the Department of Transitional Assistance to testify.
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    Apr 30, 2013 3:57 PM GMT
    I'd like to know how they qualified...based on what criteria?
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    Apr 30, 2013 4:00 PM GMT
    More here:

    Is welfare a cause of terrorism? (there are quite a number of examples now of terrorists drawing welfare cheques)
    http://web.archive.org/web/20020207113937/http://slate.msn.com/?id=2059799

    What do you want to bet that the French pattern is visible in Britain, which has been (in the Post's words) "a haven for fundamentalists who enjoy traditional British liberties and a generous social welfare system even as they rail against the culture that has given them refuge"?

    In fact, there's a good argument that "welfare benefits + ethnic antagonism" is the universal recipe for an underclass with an angry, oppositional culture. The social logic is simple: Ethnic differences make it easy for those outside of, for example, French Arab neighborhoods to discriminate against those inside, and easy for those inside to resent the mainstream culture around them. Meanwhile, relatively generous welfare benefits enable those in the ethnic ghetto to stay there, stay unemployed, and seethe. Without government subsidies, they would have to overcome the prejudice against them and integrate into the mainstream working culture. Work, in this sense, is anti-terrorist medicine. (And if you work all day, there's less time to dream up ways and reasons to kill infidels.)
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    Apr 30, 2013 4:09 PM GMT
    HiIlarious.

    Mock, this is Riddler who says end affirmative action. Riddler, this is Mock who says businesses should have the right to discriminate against employees, and customers too, in any way they want.



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    Apr 30, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
    meninlove said HiIlarious.

    Mock, this is Riddler who says end affirmative action. Riddler, this is Mock who says businesses should have the right to discriminate against employees, and customers too, in any way they want.





    Mock, here's meninlove who agrees with the logic being drawn that because global warming could create more poverty that therefore it will force more women into prostitution.
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    Apr 30, 2013 10:54 PM GMT
    So there you have it. Welfare causes terrorism.
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    Apr 30, 2013 11:03 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidSo there you have it. Welfare causes terrorism.

    This.
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    Apr 30, 2013 11:24 PM GMT
    smartmoney said
    Ex_Mil8 saidSo there you have it. Welfare causes terrorism.

    This.


    How could we have been so blind? Cut welfare and you'll have world peace.
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    Apr 30, 2013 11:26 PM GMT
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    smartmoney said
    Ex_Mil8 saidSo there you have it. Welfare causes terrorism.

    This.


    How could we have been so blind? Cut welfare and you'll have world peace.


    No one has said that - but the idea that dependence can also breed resentment isn't exactly a new one.
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    Apr 30, 2013 11:34 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    No one has said that - but the idea that dependence can also breed resentment isn't exactly a new one.


    And there are many countries without even a rudimentary welfare system that are riddled with terrorism. A reasonably well administered (though not perfect) welfare system is far more likely to prevent resentment than to breed it. As for Britain, because I work in the voluntary sector, I interact every day with people who are receiving some form welfare. I have yet to come across one who is living the life of Riley or, indeed, who displays terrorist tendencies. They are usually too preoccupied with such mundane things as keeping their lives together.

    Terrorism in the West is a rare phenomenon. Abuse of welfare is uncommon. Only a conservative would consider conflating welfare with terrorism. Whatever next? Terrorists have more abortions?
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    May 01, 2013 4:37 AM GMT
    of course welfare doesn't cause terrorism.

    The problem here is that the family qualified for these benefits based on claims of political asylum.

    How can one be claiming persecution in another country and travel back to that country frequently? For 6 months even?


    The truth is how do we prevent people scamming the system.

    Also why were they being persecuted in Russia? Interesting story seems to be the father was involved with several Chechen radicals. Does that mean the US as a policy matter allow preferred access?

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev, his wife, and 3-year-old daughter, along with his parents and brother Dzhokhar, all reportedly benefited from public assistance. Tamerlan Tsarnaev apparently had little or no work history.
    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/641849/tsarnaev-welfare-family-collected-at-least-100k-in-benefits-report/#eTCoG8rGEiSPLd6b.99


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    May 01, 2013 11:10 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    riddler78 said
    No one has said that - but the idea that dependence can also breed resentment isn't exactly a new one.


    And there are many countries without even a rudimentary welfare system that are riddled with terrorism. A reasonably well administered (though not perfect) welfare system is far more likely to prevent resentment than to breed it. As for Britain, because I work in the voluntary sector, I interact every day with people who are receiving some form welfare. I have yet to come across one who is living the life of Riley or, indeed, who displays terrorist tendencies. They are usually too preoccupied with such mundane things as keeping their lives together.

    Terrorism in the West is a rare phenomenon. Abuse of welfare is uncommon. Only a conservative would consider conflating welfare with terrorism. Whatever next? Terrorists have more abortions?
    I must have missed the part where anyone claimed that it was the only cause of terrorism. Certainly it's a better explanation than some who claim that poverty breeds terrorism. Again, the point being it can be the dependence that breeds resentment because it delays a forced assimilation/integration.
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    May 02, 2013 2:43 PM GMT
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    musclmed saidof course welfare doesn't cause terrorism.

    The problem here is that the family qualified for these benefits based on claims of political asylum.

    How can one be claiming persecution in another country and travel back to that country frequently? For 6 months even?


    The truth is how do we prevent people scamming the system.





    I am far, far more concerned about corporations scamming the system.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-28/why-you-should-care-about-that-83-billion-bank-subsidy.html


    Heck you could deal with both and save a whack load of money *and* reduce the "unintended consequences". Guess who Obama just nominated to be Commerce Secretary?

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/19851174-418/penny-pritzkers-failed-superior-bank-lost-customer-savings-in-subprime-crisis.html
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100699409
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    May 02, 2013 2:43 PM GMT
    Welfare as we see with the Tsarnaev family will eventually disappear. Even the most short sighted liberals are beginning to see the hand-writing on the wall that America cannot -- and most importantly will not -- provide such wholesale support to anyone.