Anti-NRA Protest March Fails with Poor Turnout

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    Apr 30, 2013 4:35 PM GMT
    Those on the left seek to scapegoat the NRA... but they're clearly not the problem.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2013/04/anti-nra-protest-march-has-massively-poor-turn-out-epic-fail-2471072.html

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    Apr 30, 2013 9:32 PM GMT
    Gee, on this issue anyway, the left seems to be unable to sway public opinion towards gun control, despite tremendous efforts. Since the left LOVES to use popularity as a weapon in debates ( always saying that whatever % of the American people want this or that so the case is closed ), maybe in a rare moment of consistency they will realize that gun control is NOT wanted, and they will give up and move on to something else. icon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 30, 2013 9:58 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidThose on the left seek to scapegoat the NRA... but they're clearly not the problem.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2013/04/anti-nra-protest-march-has-massively-poor-turn-out-epic-fail-2471072.html

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    And in other news from Canada...

    Oh, wait! In another thread you DID post something from Canada! A misleading story about the government's CBC having a casting call for non-Caucasians only.

    Except... turns out it was an error by a private casting company, which they've admitted and apologized about, exonerating the CBC.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3169565

    Gosh... you can't get anything right in your posts about the US, and you can't get anything right about Canada, either, where you allegedly live. Maybe you should try something about China?
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    Apr 30, 2013 11:15 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Maybe you should try something about China?


    Haven't you heard? China has no problems. It is one great democratic nation, full of happiness, where everyone strives for the common good of the Motherland. Riddy's family got the hell out of there only because they prefer the exotic Canadian climate.

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    May 01, 2013 2:00 PM GMT
    Polls have shown that voters are actually less likely to vote for a candidate endorsed by the NRA.

    Protesting against the NRA might not be as popular because it's giving a stupid gun lobby group legitimacy. It would be like gay rights activists holding an "anti-NOM" march instead of a marriage equality march. Protests in favor of gun control have been larger. The March on Washington for Gun Control on January 26, 2013 had thousands in attendance.


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    May 01, 2013 3:00 PM GMT
    Stan24 saidPolls have shown that voters are actually less likely to vote for a candidate endorsed by the NRA.

    Protesting against the NRA might not be as popular because it's giving a stupid gun lobby group legitimacy. It would be like gay rights activists holding an "anti-NOM" march instead of a marriage equality march. Protests in favor of gun control have been larger. The March on Washington for Gun Control on January 26, 2013 had thousands in attendance.




    Not sure what your point is. The NRA is simply a scapegoat - but it's remarkable that they are even unable to find so many people to protest it given how widely those like Obama have criticized it.

    There are those who would never vote Republican but in blind tests would vote for their policies. The tea partiers rose as a direct response to Obamacare.
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    May 01, 2013 3:15 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidThe tea partiers rose as a direct response to Obamacare.

    Another lame attempt at US history revisionism, and this by a non-US citizen. Reminds me of an online guy out in Australia who tries the same thing, with equally unconvincing results.

    The Teabaggers were a sham front for US corporate & right wing interests, not the grassroots movement they pretended to be. They received direct funding from wealthy right wingers like the Koch brothers. The Teabagger "movement" was already underway before Obamacare was even being seriously debated.

    The core Teabagger issue was taxes, which suddenly exploded the moment Obama took office in 2009. The tax rates hadn't changed, they were the same as they had been under Bush, since those things takes a full Congressional year to revise.

    Funny, no anti-tax movement during Bush, but suddenly Americans discovered they were being overtaxed and taking to the streets within months of Obama taking office. Pure political manipulation, ahead of the 2010 elections, and unfortunately the Republican tactic worked.
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    riddler78 saidThe tea partiers rose as a direct response to Obamacare.

    Another lame attempt at US history revisionism, and this by a non-US citizen. Reminds me of an online guy out in Australia who tries the same thing, with equally unconvincing results.

    The Teabaggers were a sham front for US corporate & right wing interests, not the grassroots movement they pretended to be. They received direct funding from wealthy right wingers like the Koch brothers. The Teabagger "movement" was already underway before Obamacare was even being seriously debated.

    The core Teabagger issue was taxes, which suddenly exploded the moment Obama took office in 2009. The tax rates hadn't changed, they were the same as they had been under Bush, since those things takes a full Congressional year to revise.

    Funny, no anti-tax movement during Bush, but suddenly Americans discovered they were being overtaxed and taking to the streets within months of Obama taking office. Pure political manipulation, ahead of the 2010 elections, and unfortunately the Republican tactic worked.


    Revisionism from a blind leftist. Occupy received funding from a number of wealthy left wingers - further they were on average wealthy left wingers. And as for sham? Hardly - even those like the NYT would point out how wrong you are. See Rick Santelli's CNBC rant which spawned the first tea party protest. And no, the core tea party issue was not taxes.
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    Revisionism from a blind leftist. Occupy received funding from a number of wealthy left wingers - further they were on average wealthy left wingers. And as for sham? Hardly - even those like the NYT would point out how wrong you are. See Rick Santelli's CNBC rant which spawned the first tea party protest. And no, the core tea party issue was not taxes.

    Not revisionism, but history from a US history teacher, a US citizen and voter. And your own qualifications are what, exactly?

    The Teabaggers, if you knew US history, take their inspiration from the Boston Tea Party, which was a protest against taxes. DUH!!! Where do you think they get their stupid name? And why they wear colonial-era tri-corner hats with tea bags dangling from them?

    The double meaning of the term Teabaggers humiliated them when they eventually realized it, so they changed themselves into Tea Partiers. I still prefer their original Teabaggers, about which Rachel Maddow did a hilarious piece in 2009.

    Ignoring your pathetic detour into the issue of Occupy, taxes were and remain the core issue of the Teabaggers, that the corporate & political manipulators used as bait to energize the movement that they themselves created.
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    riddler78 said
    Revisionism from a blind leftist. Occupy received funding from a number of wealthy left wingers - further they were on average wealthy left wingers. And as for sham? Hardly - even those like the NYT would point out how wrong you are. See Rick Santelli's CNBC rant which spawned the first tea party protest. And no, the core tea party issue was not taxes.

    Not revisionism, but history from a US history teacher, a US citizen and voter. And your own qualifications are what, exactly?


    I can read and bother to understand what's written. How sad for your students that they had a teacher so blinded by ideology and unable to differentiate fantasy from fiction.
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    May 01, 2013 3:56 PM GMT


    riddler78 said, "The tea partiers rose as a direct response to Obamacare."

    http://civilliberty.about.com/od/libertarianpolitics/tp/Tea-Party-History-Timeline.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement


    http://www.teapartypatriots.org/about/


    http://www.teapartyexpress.org/mission


    On the last one, Obamacare is 4th on the list.

    I can find nothing to back up riddler's statement.
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    May 01, 2013 4:19 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said, "The tea partiers rose as a direct response to Obamacare."

    http://civilliberty.about.com/od/libertarianpolitics/tp/Tea-Party-History-Timeline.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement


    http://www.teapartypatriots.org/about/


    http://www.teapartyexpress.org/mission


    On the last one, Obamacare is 4th on the list.

    I can find nothing to back up riddler's statement.


    You're right my mistake - it was the bailouts - that was the root of Santelli's rant where the first tea party protest came right after. It was the response to Obamacare which brought the turnout to the mid term elections. Either way, thank you for proving Art_Deco wrong.
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    May 01, 2013 4:27 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
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    Not revisionism, but history from a US history teacher, a US citizen and voter. And your own qualifications are what, exactly?

    I can read and bother to understand what's written. How sad for your students that they had a teacher so blinded by ideology and unable to differentiate fantasy from fiction.

    Actually your own personal history of misrepresentations here proves the opposite.
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    May 01, 2013 4:30 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    ART_DECO said
    Not revisionism, but history from a US history teacher, a US citizen and voter. And your own qualifications are what, exactly?

    I can read and bother to understand what's written. How sad for your students that they had a teacher so blinded by ideology and unable to differentiate fantasy from fiction.

    Actually your own personal history of misrepresentations here proves the opposite.


    Do please reference. You may choose to disagree with a number of my opinions, but you are also on record with disagreeing with basic facts of which you offer no refute. On the other hand, your absurd triflings and delusions of grandeur are well known.
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    May 01, 2013 4:31 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said, "The tea partiers rose as a direct response to Obamacare."

    http://civilliberty.about.com/od/libertarianpolitics/tp/Tea-Party-History-Timeline.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement


    http://www.teapartypatriots.org/about/


    http://www.teapartyexpress.org/mission


    On the last one, Obamacare is 4th on the list.

    I can find nothing to back up riddler's statement.


    You're right my mistake - it was the bailouts - that was the root of Santelli's rant where the first tea party protest came right after. It was the response to Obamacare which brought the turnout to the mid term elections. Either way, thank you for proving Art_Deco wrong.


    You sure about that riddler?

    "The Tea Party movement is an American political movement that advocates strict adherence to the United States Constitution,[1] reducing U.S. government spending and taxes,[2][3] and reduction of the U.S. national debt and federal budget deficit.[2] The movement has been called partly conservative,[4][5] partly libertarian,[6][7] and partly populist.[8][9][10] The movement has sponsored protests and supported political candidates since 2009.[11][12][13]
    The name of the movement is derived from the Boston Tea Party of 1773, an iconic event in American history.[14][15][16][17] Anti-tax protesters in the United States have often referred to the original Boston Tea Party for inspiration.[18][19][20] References to the Boston Tea Party were part of Tax Day protests held throughout the 1990s and earlier.[21][22][23][24] By 2001, a custom had developed among some conservative activists of mailing tea bags to legislators and other officials as a symbolic act.[25]"
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    You sure about that riddler?

    "The Tea Party movement is an American political movement that advocates strict adherence to the United States Constitution,[1] reducing U.S. government spending and taxes,[2][3] and reduction of the U.S. national debt and federal budget deficit.[2] The movement has been called partly conservative,[4][5] partly libertarian,[6][7] and partly populist.[8][9][10] The movement has sponsored protests and supported political candidates since 2009.[11][12][13]
    The name of the movement is derived from the Boston Tea Party of 1773, an iconic event in American history.[14][15][16][17] Anti-tax protesters in the United States have often referred to the original Boston Tea Party for inspiration.[18][19][20] References to the Boston Tea Party were part of Tax Day protests held throughout the 1990s and earlier.[21][22][23][24] By 2001, a custom had developed among some conservative activists of mailing tea bags to legislators and other officials as a symbolic act.[25]"

    Looks like I've been vindicated by history after all. icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 01, 2013 4:37 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    meninlove said

    riddler78 said, "The tea partiers rose as a direct response to Obamacare."

    http://civilliberty.about.com/od/libertarianpolitics/tp/Tea-Party-History-Timeline.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement


    http://www.teapartypatriots.org/about/


    http://www.teapartyexpress.org/mission


    On the last one, Obamacare is 4th on the list.

    I can find nothing to back up riddler's statement.


    You're right my mistake - it was the bailouts - that was the root of Santelli's rant where the first tea party protest came right after. It was the response to Obamacare which brought the turnout to the mid term elections. Either way, thank you for proving Art_Deco wrong.


    You sure about that riddler?

    "The Tea Party movement is an American political movement that advocates strict adherence to the United States Constitution,[1] reducing U.S. government spending and taxes,[2][3] and reduction of the U.S. national debt and federal budget deficit.[2] The movement has been called partly conservative,[4][5] partly libertarian,[6][7] and partly populist.[8][9][10] The movement has sponsored protests and supported political candidates since 2009.[11][12][13]
    The name of the movement is derived from the Boston Tea Party of 1773, an iconic event in American history.[14][15][16][17] Anti-tax protesters in the United States have often referred to the original Boston Tea Party for inspiration.[18][19][20] References to the Boston Tea Party were part of Tax Day protests held throughout the 1990s and earlier.[21][22][23][24] By 2001, a custom had developed among some conservative activists of mailing tea bags to legislators and other officials as a symbolic act.[25]"


    Yep quite. Look at the sequence of events and the rally that followed the CNBC rant. The problem that liberals have with the tea party is that its emergence was truly grassroots and a direct response to government interventions. Santelli's rant incidentally, was February 19, 2009
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    You sure about that riddler?

    "The Tea Party movement is an American political movement that advocates strict adherence to the United States Constitution,[1] reducing U.S. government spending and taxes,[2][3] and reduction of the U.S. national debt and federal budget deficit.[2] The movement has been called partly conservative,[4][5] partly libertarian,[6][7] and partly populist.[8][9][10] The movement has sponsored protests and supported political candidates since 2009.[11][12][13]
    The name of the movement is derived from the Boston Tea Party of 1773, an iconic event in American history.[14][15][16][17] Anti-tax protesters in the United States have often referred to the original Boston Tea Party for inspiration.[18][19][20] References to the Boston Tea Party were part of Tax Day protests held throughout the 1990s and earlier.[21][22][23][24] By 2001, a custom had developed among some conservative activists of mailing tea bags to legislators and other officials as a symbolic act.[25]"

    Looks like I've been vindicated by history after all. icon_biggrin.gif
    Lol - my guess is that you actually think that. Too bad you were foiled again. icon_lol.gif
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    May 01, 2013 4:44 PM GMT
    *sighs*

    Look riddler:
    "February 27, 2009 to protest the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) bailout bill signed by President George W. Bush in October 2008 and the ARRA stimulus bill signed by President Barack Obama ten days prior to the protest;[1]
    April 15, 2009 to coincide with the annual U.S. deadline for submitting tax returns, known as Tax Day;[2][3]
    July 4, 2009 to coincide with Independence Day;[4]
    September 12, 2009 to coincide with the anniversary of the day after the September 11 attacks;[5]
    November 5, 2009 in Washington D.C. to protest the impending Health insurance vote;[6]
    March 14–21, 2010 in Washington, D.C. during the final week of debate on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.[7]
    Most Tea Party activities since 2010 have been focused on opposing the efforts (supported by the Obama Administration) to enact reforms to health insurance and health care delivery, and on recruiting, nominating, and supporting candidates for upcoming state and national elections. [8][9] The name "Tea Party" is a reference to the Boston Tea Party, whose principal aim was to protest taxation without representation.[10][11] Tea Party protests have sought to evoke images, slogans and themes from the American Revolution, such as tri-corner hats and yellow Gadsden "Don't Tread on Me" flags.[3][12] The letters T-E-A have been used by some protesters to form the backronym "Taxed Enough Already".[13]
    Commentators promoted Tax Day events on blogs, Twitter, and Facebook, while the Fox News Channel regularly featured televised programming leading into and promoting various protest activities.[14]"
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    May 01, 2013 4:45 PM GMT
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    Maybe you should try something about China?


    Haven't you heard? China has no problems. It is one great democratic nation, full of happiness, where everyone strives for the common good of the Motherland.



    TOO DAMN FUNNY. THIS was my thought as I logged onto RJ.

    I've read riddler's nonstop criticisms of Western free-market, liberal governments but he seems to be fine with China's blend of capitalism/ totalitarianism.

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    Look riddler:
    "February 27, 2009 to protest the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) bailout bill signed by President George W. Bush in October 2008 and the ARRA stimulus bill signed by President Barack Obama ten days prior to the protest;[1]
    April 15, 2009 to coincide with the annual U.S. deadline for submitting tax returns, known as Tax Day;[2][3]
    July 4, 2009 to coincide with Independence Day;[4]
    September 12, 2009 to coincide with the anniversary of the day after the September 11 attacks;[5]
    November 5, 2009 in Washington D.C. to protest the impending Health insurance vote;[6]
    March 14–21, 2010 in Washington, D.C. during the final week of debate on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.[7]
    Most Tea Party activities since 2010 have been focused on opposing the efforts (supported by the Obama Administration) to enact reforms to health insurance and health care delivery, and on recruiting, nominating, and supporting candidates for upcoming state and national elections. [8][9] The name "Tea Party" is a reference to the Boston Tea Party, whose principal aim was to protest taxation without representation.[10][11] Tea Party protests have sought to evoke images, slogans and themes from the American Revolution, such as tri-corner hats and yellow Gadsden "Don't Tread on Me" flags.[3][12] The letters T-E-A have been used by some protesters to form the backronym "Taxed Enough Already".[13]
    Commentators promoted Tax Day events on blogs, Twitter, and Facebook, while the Fox News Channel regularly featured televised programming leading into and promoting various protest activities.[14]"


    Again you show how absurd you will attempt to interpret facts even when as you've shown here, they prove my point. Well duh, the original tea party was a lot further back. And your point is? The emergence of the tea partiers is as a result of the bailouts that they opposed as triggered by Santelli's rant. Again, have a look at the date.
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    May 01, 2013 4:53 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 said
    ART_DECO said
    Maybe you should try something about China?


    Haven't you heard? China has no problems. It is one great democratic nation, full of happiness, where everyone strives for the common good of the Motherland.



    TOO DAMN FUNNY. THIS was my thought as I logged onto RJ.

    I've read riddler's nonstop criticisms of Western free-market, liberal governments but he seems to be fine with China's blend of capitalism/ totalitarianism.



    Have I ever said I am fine with China's interpretation of "communism"? How many people here are even from China? Answer: not very many (and I know this as I've looked). These forums are dominated by American topics - and given that I travel extensively in the US, have relatives who live in the US, worked in the US, your attempts to claim I have no place speaks more to the weakness of your facts and your discomfort of what facts there are than of me.
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    May 01, 2013 5:17 PM GMT
    "discomfort"

    riddler, you nailed it. 'Discomfort' is what I feel when I read your onslaught of posts that are so determined to misrepresent the arguments of current topics.

    I don't understand your purpose.

    On this topic you've posted several variations on the idea that 'Americans don't really care about background checks'. Why The Effort? Polls show at least 90% do favor background checks. And the newest polls show that the senators who voted against them have infuriated their constituents.

    So what's your purpose with this disinformation campaign?
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    May 01, 2013 5:19 PM GMT
    topathlete, you haven't a clue as to why riddler has in the past irked me ( no longer; once his racist/agist streak exerted itself I became free to smirk at his posturing and preening).

    Some time ago he was exposed on here for something else by another member. The revelation was repugnant and for some time I wished I'd never read it.


    Up here Bill and I are well known for being Conservaberal. Or if you like, a Libervative.

    Canadians, more often than not, (if you exclude Riddler and a few others) view our politics as shades of gray and not the polar extremes you are fond of (which many Canadians consider , well, childish).

    However, perhaps you require your politics to be like extreme sports etc. and that goes for both sides. All the attention is focused on the extreme views and little on the boring middle ground.
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    May 01, 2013 6:04 PM GMT
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    Have I ever said I am fine with China's interpretation of "communism"? How many people here are even from China? Answer: not very many (and I know this as I've looked). These forums are dominated by American topics - and given that I travel extensively in the US, have relatives who live in the US, worked in the US, your attempts to claim I have no place speaks more to the weakness of your facts and your discomfort of what facts there are than of me.


    I have started several threads about Hong Kong on RJ, all regarding current news stories about that region of China. You have never commented on one of them. I get the impression that (rather like the Chinese government) you regard Chinese politics as a topic that is a little 'too hot to handle'. After all, it much easier to take pot shots at those countries that are open about their politics and harder to criticize a nation like China, when it controls most of the information coming in and going out of the country, but it wouldn't hurt to try occasionally.

    I get your point about this being a US-centric website. It is a point, incidentally, that some of your biggest supporters here scoff at when I (a non-US resident who nonetheless knows the country well) make it.