The Reformation Project Aims To Change Way Churches Think About Gays From Within

  • metta

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    May 01, 2013 11:18 PM GMT



    New Project Aims To Change Way Churches Think About Gays From Within

    http://www.reformationproject.org/

    https://www.facebook.com/ReformationProject

    http://www.queerty.com/new-project-aims-to-change-way-churches-think-about-gays-from-within-20130501/

  • thegaymessiah

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    May 02, 2013 11:43 AM GMT
    Ehh come on now. You can try to fanwank a lot of things but the book clearly says that it thinks it is wrong.

    However, to put things into perspective: it also says snakes can talk, and that women shouldn't teach, that it's okay to own slaves, and effeminate men are worthless and will go to hell. Like my friend says it's like campy bdsm porn.

    The book was written to terrorize people into behaving in some way that patriarchal heterosexual men deemed fit. I in fact would argue that the reason straight men have all the power in the world is because of the bible. We're just terrified of anything else.

    That is what is so assholeic about the bible you see, just because THEY personally found something gross or offputting - they tried to apply those same standards for everybody else. Women were shameful just because menstrual blood is gross, gays were shameful just because straight men are wired to find the act incredibly disgusting.

    And they had to keep women down, a heterosexual straight dude has to be the one that feels like he has the power, she takes his name, he dominates her in bed, he controls her life, he has the finances. She has to be the caregiver, he just has to be manly dominant and hot. A woman beats a straight man at something, well he's not a straight man any more is he? He's a burning hell-bound faggot, a common piece of stick. They had to think of many rules to keep their insecurities into place.

    Really, smelling my own shit is more spiritual than listening to ANYTHING in the Bible. Jesus Christ.. I just ... no.




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    May 02, 2013 12:00 PM GMT
    This is hardly the first effort of its kind. There have been pro-LGBT organizations within mainline Protestant denominations since the 1970s.
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    May 02, 2013 12:04 PM GMT
    You wont need to do this in the Episcopal Church,,they are gayer then Paul Lynde at a Pride parade.lol Ry
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    May 02, 2013 12:42 PM GMT
    People have done a lot of research to figure out why the Bible says what it does about homosexuality and in what context. The one produced by Matthew Vines who started the Reformation Project made this one which made a lot of buzz:

    http://youtu.be/ezQjNJUSraY

    It has been pointed out that there are about 7 references to same-sex activity while there are hundreds about things like money.

    The word "homosexual" did not appear in any translation of the Bible until 1947. Thegaymessiah makes a very good point that the Bible is used to maintain and promote patriarchy. However, there are plenty of theologians -- many of them straight and with no vested interest in this -- who have taken the time to put things into context. Those who want to see it that way can point to the words and claim that's what it means. But there are many, many Christians -- including many in leadership -- who see things differently.

    The Most Rev. Frank Griswold, former Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, put it this way "The Bible contains all things necessary for salvation. But all things it contains are not necessary for salvation." In other words, you have permission to disregard a lot of the old-world "purity code" as relevant only to the time and place in which it was written. This was not done in a vacuum: Jesus and the Apostle Paul both planted the seeds for that kind of discernment. This kind of talk is very uncomfortable for fundamentalists and other "orthodox" folks, but -- much like the "clobber passages" -- it's hard to hide.

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    May 02, 2013 1:37 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidYou wont need to do this in the Episcopal Church,,they are gayer then Paul Lynde at a Pride parade.lol Ry


    LOL Ryan I resemble that remark!
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    May 02, 2013 2:43 PM GMT
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3171672
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    May 02, 2013 3:22 PM GMT
    thegaymessiah saidWomen were shameful just because menstrual blood is gross...


    Well, if you ever had someone start their period while fucking them you'd find it gross too.

    I'm just saying...

    I thought it felt extra slippery...icon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif

  • metta

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    Sep 20, 2013 6:46 PM GMT
    Gay Christian preaches acceptance among conservative churches


    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/09/gay-christian-preaches-acceptance-among-conservative-churches/
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    Sep 24, 2013 4:30 PM GMT
    I a proud liberated EX-christian. Pardon my french, but Christianity is the worst 'mental' mankind ever puke onto each other. Just read the history of wars started by christians, the crusades, the colonization and exploitation, inquisition, etc. No organized religion is good religion, although personal spirituality could be useful and a good thing.
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 24, 2013 4:53 PM GMT
    It is awful and I agree all religions are a scourge but it is no worse and maybe a tad better than Islam. The thing that kills me about Christians is the most ardent, true, reborn (wtf?) believers just kind of miss what Christ had to say and focus on the old testament which if you buy their story, was a new deal, a new covenant. They seem to like the old, barbaric covenant better.