Is it wise to be so dismissive of older men?

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    May 02, 2013 5:14 PM GMT
    I have observed some pretty atrocious treatment of RJ's more seasoned members recently and it's kind of disturbing. Attacking someone based on their age is no different from attacking someone based on their race or sexual orientation. If you dislike an older guy, you should be able to pick out enough traits about him to attack that are within the bound of his control that you should not have to touch how old he is. It takes a lot of courage to be older, but especially in a climate as youth obsessed as ours. How we treat these men today carves the template for how we will be treated once we hit their age someday.

    Let's all play a little bit nicer. There's room in the sandbox for everyone.
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    May 02, 2013 5:16 PM GMT
    I agree 100%. However, this is a topic that gets thrown around over and over, so the ones who discriminate against older men will most likely never change their mind. Oh well, more "daddy's" for me icon_lol.gif

    P.S. You older guys rock in more ways than just one. ;)
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    May 02, 2013 5:23 PM GMT
    JumpMan_Josh saidI agree 100%. However, this is a topic that gets thrown around over and over, so the ones who discriminate against older men will most likely never change their mind. Oh well, more "daddy's" for me icon_lol.gif

    P.S. You older guys rock in more ways than just one. ;)


    I think he may be talking about us "grand-daddies".
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    May 02, 2013 5:25 PM GMT
    dudewithabeard said
    JumpMan_Josh saidI agree 100%. However, this is a topic that gets thrown around over and over, so the ones who discriminate against older men will most likely never change their mind. Oh well, more "daddy's" for me icon_lol.gif

    P.S. You older guys rock in more ways than just one. ;)


    I think he may be talking about us "grand-daddies".


    Ha, well some of you "gran-daddies" would put me (as well as countless other guys my age) to shame in the gym, bed, and life in general. Acting like someone is lesser because of age is pretty ridiculous imo.

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    May 02, 2013 5:32 PM GMT
    People who disrespect elders will soon become unwise, uneducated, barbaric, etc.
    For knowledge and wisdom comes from elders not from kids :-/
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    May 02, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
    Harry, I don't agree with this: "For knowledge and wisdom comes from elders not from kids :-/"

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    May 02, 2013 5:39 PM GMT
    meninlove said Harry, I don't agree with this: "For knowledge and wisdom comes from elders not from kids :-/"

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    Yes, if you look for perfect explanation it is not 100% accurate.
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    May 02, 2013 5:41 PM GMT
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    meninlove said Harry, I don't agree with this: "For knowledge and wisdom comes from elders not from kids :-/"

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    Yes, if you look for perfect explanation it is not 100% accurate.


    Well, both you and Deki are 23. I'm 58. I say you guys are smart so listen to your elder. icon_wink.gif
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    May 02, 2013 5:45 PM GMT
    aahhh.
    Thank's man.

    But, most us at deaths door hardly give a shit--to busy doing the "I told you so" dance.

    Flame on; our skin is so sun damaged from all the naked pool party's it's nearly fire retardant.
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    May 02, 2013 5:48 PM GMT
    dustin_K_tx saidaahhh.
    Thank's man.

    But, most us at deaths door hardly give a shit--to busy doing the "I told you so" dance.

    Flame on; our skin is so sun damaged from all the naked pool party's it's nearly fire retardant.


    LOL!

    ...er, wait..*sniffs burning air* ...I smell meat cooking.

    Oh for Pete's sake, I'm sitting on the stove and left the element on. icon_lol.gif
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    May 02, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Harry7785 said
    meninlove said Harry, I don't agree with this: "For knowledge and wisdom comes from elders not from kids :-/"
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    Yes, if you look for perfect explanation it is not 100% accurate.


    Well, both you and Deki are 23. I'm 58. I say you guys are smart so listen to your elder. icon_wink.gif

    Ha ha, as I said it's not 100% accurate.
    & I'm elder than my younger generation, so... ;)
    BTW, what I meant in my original post is applicable only for people with bad attitude towards the elders(as this topic is about younger people insulting elder men.)
    In a scenario where a young person stops doing a good work and does a bad thing, just because an evil elderly person ordered him to do so...I would give a different reply.
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    May 02, 2013 6:49 PM GMT
    I was talking to a guy I met platonically(no joke) through a phone app. We compare other people we met on the app. When I mentioned I made friends with a 49 year old guy, he was rather shocked(he is 23). He couldn't understand what would possess me to do such a thing. After talking a bit, it became clear that he didn't believe the older guy would be content with "just being friends" with me, although I did.

    I think that as men age in the gay scene they acquire a predatorial label, as younger guys, probably being sex crazed themselves, assume that an older man would only ever talk to him with sexual motivations?
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    May 02, 2013 8:44 PM GMT
    killercliche saidI was talking to a guy I met platonically(no joke) through a phone app. We compare other people we met on the app. When I mentioned I made friends with a 49 year old guy, he was rather shocked(he is 23). He couldn't understand what would possess me to do such a thing. After talking a bit, it became clear that he didn't believe the older guy would be content with "just being friends" with me, although I did.

    I think that as men age in the gay scene they acquire a predatorial label, as younger guys, probably being sex crazed themselves, assume that an older man would only ever talk to him with sexual motivations?


    Why would you feel the need to excuse and explain your interaction with an older guy as being just platonic when talking with this kid, beyond just a simple denial?

    I am not implying there was any sexual interest. I'm just interested in your reaction when the kid suggested it.

    It's as if you also believe that it would be wrong for an older guy to be sexually interested in you, and as if you would be ashamed to admit a sexual interest in an older guy. In your message you seem like it was a bit too important to you that the kid should not think there was anything going on.

    It is also as if it is important to you to convince us here that the interest could not be anything but platonic. Am I reading it right or what's up?
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    May 02, 2013 8:51 PM GMT
    Wanna make this thread really interesting? Call out the names of the young RJ members who fit in this category.
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    May 02, 2013 8:54 PM GMT
    There's a lot of guys in general that feel dismissed, not just the older ones. We live in a very discriminatory world.
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    May 02, 2013 9:02 PM GMT
    Jtuy saidThere's a lot of guys in general that feel dismissed, not just the older ones. We live in a very discriminatory world.


    True, unless you look like a porn star, although come to think of it, even porn stars get treated dismissively. There have been several high profile porn star suicides lately, and even postmortem many of them are spoken of in a derogatory way by many gay people, if you can believe it.
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    May 02, 2013 9:34 PM GMT
    likan said


    RIP Liyah
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    May 02, 2013 9:48 PM GMT
    Dekiruman said
    Let's all play a little bit nicer. There's room in the sandbox for everyone.

    I obviously have a vested interest in seconding that sentiment, since I'm one of the oldest guys here who regularly posts. And one who routinely suffers ad hominem attacks about my age. If you can't argue the issue, then slam me about my age or my weight (which itself is both a function of age and health problems).

    But I do like that some of the posts here note the contributions that elders can make. I post long stories for optional reading, for which I get dinged, but still hoping I have some modest experience to impart. Pick & choose as you wish, take what you want, ignore what you don't.

    I've been a ton of places, done a ton of things, seen an awful lot. When I was a kid I was fascinated by older people, still am, would listen to their stories intently. I heard living histories from people relating experiences from the 1800s. I can't give you quite the same on RJ myself, but maybe a few decades earlier than most here were born. icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 02, 2013 10:23 PM GMT
    I ain't dead yet if anybody cares to know.

    Just sayn'.

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    May 02, 2013 10:25 PM GMT
    Speaking as an older man...

    I forgot what I was going to say...

    Where am I?
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    May 02, 2013 10:30 PM GMT
    It does not take courage to be older... it happens to everyone at some point. BTW, I hate being older, but it is better than the alternative.
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    May 02, 2013 10:38 PM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidSpeaking as an older man...

    I forgot what I was going to say...

    Where am I?


    Boo, you ain't "older" from where I'm sitting.
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    May 02, 2013 10:46 PM GMT
    Deki's a sharper knife than most of the newer flatware.
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    May 02, 2013 10:53 PM GMT
    hairyandym saidIt does not take courage to be older... it happens to everyone at some point. BTW, I hate being older, but it is better than the alternative.

    You're 51, what I now consider my "golden days". At 51 I was single, 150 pounds, still trim & muscular from my Army years, having sex several times a week. The best sex, the most sex, the most partying, the most of everything I had ever done in my life.

    Yeah, I was way over the hill in gay terms. Except - I refused to BE over the hill. But neither did I foolishly pretend to be younger than I was. I found a gay world of 40s & 50s single guys just like me, and I had the time of my life.

    So why hate being 51? That was one of the best years I ever had. Make it yours! icon_biggrin.gif