Instantaneous Transportation.

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    Oct 22, 2008 4:03 PM GMT
    So, the live forever thread got me thinking about this one.

    Suppose there was a teleportation device that would basically destroy you on one side and then make an exact replica on the other side. Do you think that going through this machine would feel as you just stepped onto that platform and then walked right through to the other location?

    basically, what the machine will do is destroy you and then rebuild the exact replica down to the atom in the correct placement. knowing that you basically would die by using this would you still use this as a means of transportation?

    my thoughts:

    it would not feel as if you stepped right through to the new location because in essence you would be dead. For this hypothetical to work you need to rule out the possibility of a soul or afterlife. However, to the being that comes out the other side, it will feel to them as if they were you and had stepped through this machine. So, my question is does this really matter then that you are dead, if this being is going to accomplish everything that you were going to do?

    They are you but you are not them, because you are dead.

    1. Would you use this machine if it were available
    2. Do you think that it would feel as if you just instantaneously walked through to the new location?
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    Oct 22, 2008 5:16 PM GMT
    You're basically talking about a transporter like they have on Star Trek. I don't think that saying it would "destroy" you and then a "replica" of you would appear on the other side makes it appealing. Had it been a device that would molecularly deconstruct me and then rebuild ME on the other side, then sure...but I still like planes and airports so..I would only want faster airplanes.
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    Oct 22, 2008 6:37 PM GMT
    im not familiar with the star trek teleporter.

    i think that the problem with deconstructing and rebuilding the same atom molecules is a lot more difficult to accomplish and also a machine that deconstructs you and then rebuilds you on the other side i think would be doing the exact same thing as one that makes a replica.

    i think that during the process of deconstructing you, you will inevitably be killed and there really isnt a way of deconstructing a life without killing it.



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    Oct 22, 2008 7:41 PM GMT
    I think my brain just puked.
  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 22, 2008 7:55 PM GMT
    Yeah, this is covered in a book called: "The Physics of Star Trek"
    http://www.amazon.com/Physics-Star-Trek-Lawrence-Krauss/dp/0060977108
    and yes, the speculation is that you are essentially replicated and then destroy your original molecules.
    What's not understood would be, what about your though patterns or consciousness? We can easily replication a orange, or dictionary, or bicycle but where do you thoughts, feelings, emotions and memory go?
    One way might be is, before "transport" you "upload" your current consciousness into a buffer. Then after you are transported, you "download" or "jack into" your consciousness ala Neo in the "Matrix" to remember who you were.
    It seems reasonable to assume that one must fully understand something in order to fully replicate it. Any error, even the slightest in someone's consciousness could have a huge impact on that person.
    I think we're eons away from replicating something on that order.
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    Oct 22, 2008 7:56 PM GMT
    The idea has been beaten to death in dozens of science fiction stories. The core idea is that you're transporting information, not matter, so light-speed transportation is possible. In scenarios where the scanning process destroys the original body, it's gruesome, but non-paradoxical. The plots of most of these stories turn on the necessity of destroying the original after a non-destructive scan. (Also the bottom line (SPOILER ALERT) of the recent movie "The Prestige.")

    A more interesting - or at least slightly more plausible - take on this theme is found in the "Takeshi Kovacs" novels by Richard Morgan. What if technology eventually allows an electronic backup of your entire mind? This allows some forms of lightspeed transport, as long as you have some kind of donor body waiting at the other end. The natures of "death" and "murder" change. Wars and extreme sports become more acceptable, etc., etc.

    Anyway, please scan me just before my old body gets ripped apart. I wouldn't want to have to remember that every time.
  • allatonce

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    Oct 22, 2008 8:15 PM GMT
    It sounds pretty scary, but on the other hand apparently every seven years every molecule in our body has been replaced, so in other words you are made out of none of the same material as you were seven years ago. So I guess that part of it wouldn't be anything new. I just don't know if I trust humans to do that yet. Or computers. A human error/computer glitch would have a whole new level of danger.
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    Oct 22, 2008 10:14 PM GMT
    Well it should feel the same if every molecule and atom are replicated. Assuming that things like memories are stored in synaptic patterns then yeah it would be the same.

    I mean, you might want to realize that the current molecules and atoms that make you up are always replaced by new ones, all the time. Sure, it might take a longer time naturally than it does in this teleportation device for ALL of them to get replaced, but given some time, all your atoms and molecules will be replaced by new ones anyway, so there isn't really something new going on with the teleportation device.
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    Oct 22, 2008 10:19 PM GMT
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    Oct 22, 2008 10:27 PM GMT
    Absolutely not man!
    What comes out on the other side is a REPLICA of you, not yourself.
    Even though he looks like you, feels like you and damn, even if he shared your memories, he'd still be composed of different atoms and different matter.
    So, to the dude, he just tele-transported, even though he was just "born", but you'd be ...uhm... vaporized icon_razz.gif
    Even if the point of the transportation was to achieve something great, i dont think it's worth my consciousness man. In the end it's all you have, literally.

    It's just self-preservation; i don't want to die just so "i" can enjoy a cheeseburger on the other side of the galaxy...
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    Oct 22, 2008 10:30 PM GMT
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    Oct 22, 2008 10:31 PM GMT
    I love your ideas, blinktwice icon_razz.gif
    You have a very restless mind, bud.
  • VinBaltimore

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    Oct 22, 2008 10:31 PM GMT
    I have this feeling that no matter what great technological advances occur in the field of molecular transportation I'll still be atleast 10 minutes late for everything.
  • Barricade

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    Oct 22, 2008 10:34 PM GMT
    Um, NO. Now if we were able to become a "jumper" or not. Sign me up! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 22, 2008 10:45 PM GMT
    did you know that's what people said about cameras.

    in the beginning people thought that if someone took a photograph of you your soul would go into the picture and hence you are soulless. icon_rolleyes.gif does that make sense now?

    I would love to teleport to anywhere in the world, even use it inside my own house, like homer simpson, I would just pee in the tele-transportation machine and put the other end in the bathroom aiming to the toilet icon_twisted.gif
  • styrgan

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    Oct 22, 2008 11:16 PM GMT
    maverickcj_ca saidYou're basically talking about a transporter like they have on Star Trek. I don't think that saying it would "destroy" you and then a "replica" of you would appear on the other side makes it appealing. Had it been a device that would molecularly deconstruct me and then rebuild ME on the other side, then sure...but I still like planes and airports so..I would only want faster airplanes.


    Who needs instant transportation? I like the view from 30,000 feet.

    If we can get some sci-fi technology from Trek, I want one of those cool replicator things. Because I love food.



    EDIT: I'm not trying to start a food/microwave/replicator flame war. Seriously.
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    Oct 22, 2008 11:22 PM GMT
    The replicator and transporter were basically the same technology. It was a really, really stupid thing to introduce to the show, because there is almost no possible problem that couldn't be solved with one or the other. The writers were constantly required to come up with some reason why one or the other was broken every week. Or they just conveniently forgot about them.
  • Salubrious

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    Oct 22, 2008 11:38 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidYeah, this is covered in a book called: "The Physics of Star Trek"
    http://www.amazon.com/Physics-Star-Trek-Lawrence-Krauss/dp/0060977108


    He teaches at my school. He's actually written quite a few pop physics books; I hear they are decent reads if anyone's interested. As for the travel thing... I don't think I would unless I could travel to other planets... I mean, it takes less than a few days to fly anywhere in the world, I wouldn't risk being obliterated for that.