What is Masculinity?

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    May 03, 2013 5:42 PM GMT
    In a typical Adam4Adam or ManHunt profile, one might expect to easily find something like this:

    Masc Cool Muscle Bro for action

    {various photos, especially:}

    |shirtless "throwing deuces" tongue stuck out| - |"duck face" team hat backwards| - |random not-him ass-spread pic |

    {measurements suggesting that this guy is the hottest thing since the sun ignited}


    Totally cool, and extremely immature 30y.o. DudeBro looking for fun. I'm down to earth masculine str8-acting bro seeks muscle bro for workouts, sex, and hanging out. 420 and beer always good. Interests include making fun of fem guys, being generally misogynistic, and obsessing on my knowledge of 1970s muscle cars to make everyone think I'm totally str8.

    I live at home with the 'rents as I can't find a job to pay down my $500,000 student loan debt on my third incomplete master's degree... so hosting is problematic.

    Nobody over 30
    No fats
    No crazies
    No fems
    No trannies (unless it's the two speed Powerglide in my 1969 GTO Judge)

    Drinking shit tons of PBRs, Drugs socially, Total Top except when a bigger dick is present or I'm all coked/Tina'ed up, Your Place, Anything Goes, HIV I don't know, is that a car part?

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    This of course, is purely intended to convey a message of the author's raging levels of natural (or perhaps injected) testosterone that are just waiting to wash over you with cascading torrents of Bud Lite and badly cut shredder shirts with just a slight touch of body odour.

    But is this not masculinity?

    It is perhaps an image, or more likely, one's misguided interpretation of it.

    Arguably, the vast overwhelming majority of men (and I extend this to our heterosexual and bisexual brothers) are defined as men by their biological possession of an X and a Y chromosome, and more tellingly, by their possession of some sort of penis and testes at birth.

    (I won't get into the contentious issue of gender reassignment or transgender identity here: I'm going to refer to men in general as biologically and psychologically identifiable males).

    These males... are indeed tellingly male, but all males are not necessarily masculine - men who have fully embraced their menhood.

    What then does it mean to be truly "masculine"?

    It is more than practicing mere role-defined behaviours (such as chewing tobacco and drinking those nasty PBRs, or eschewing apple cosmotinis and tight T-shirts and falsetto voices).

    I'd say being masculine means embracing responsibility and not running from it.

    It is acting age-appropriate.

    It is protecting those weaker than you, even if they don't particularly agree with your points of view.

    It is not letting yourself be taken advantage of, but also not letting yourself be incited to rashness in protecting your interests or those of your loved ones.

    It is being a mentor to younger men seeking their place and role in society, and for those so willing and capable, being a father to their children.

    Masculinity is striving to operate independently - that is to say, not needing to suck at the teats of others' successes, while not forsaking the ability to be a part of a team.

    It is more about selfless sacrifice to better your community, and the state of life for your loved ones.

    It is setting an example that your mentors and elders would be proud of, and that your protegees and youngers will strive to emulate.

    /end rant/
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    May 03, 2013 5:45 PM GMT
    Clearly his dudebro cover was blown when he properly used the word misogynistic.
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    May 03, 2013 6:12 PM GMT
    Could be, but DudeBro is very tongue in cheek. ;)
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    May 03, 2013 6:16 PM GMT
    This topic again.....

    *grabs glittery gun and commits gay suicide*

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    May 03, 2013 6:40 PM GMT
    MisfitToy saidThis topic again.....

    *grabs glittery gun and commits gay suicide*



    No need to become an glittery hero. ;)

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    Some topics are quite cyclical here I suppose.

    I'm hoping that some positive discussion might result. Totally not trolling here, I promise. ;)
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    May 03, 2013 7:35 PM GMT
    Uh, those definitions of yours are more for "grown up" or "adult" (not the xxx-version). Lots of women and "Fems" fit those as well.

    And we all know that masculinity in these kinds of ads is about being able to pass as straight, being devoid of "fem" traits.
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    May 03, 2013 10:17 PM GMT
    bhp91126 saidUh, those definitions of yours are more for "grown up" or "adult" (not the xxx-version). Lots of women and "Fems" fit those as well.

    And we all know that masculinity in these kinds of ads is about being able to pass as straight, being devoid of "fem" traits.


    True to a point, although women have cultural roles that do differ in various respects from those of men.

    Arguably, those roles have crossed nearly so as to become nearly indistinguishable between men and women in our Western society, and yes, I do have some thoughts that women do have unique gender-specific talents and abilities that should be nurtured in their daughters; but I'm not looking to debate that particular point.

    I'm thinking more about the differences in immature males (boys) as they progress into maturing men on into mature men who can be looked up to as good role models.
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    May 03, 2013 10:39 PM GMT
    Its like the other dude said. It is about being able to pass as straight in the community when it comes to those ads, which our society places an undue emphasis on, and it is why people lie about it which makes it meaningless in the gay online dating world.

    To each their own though.
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    May 03, 2013 10:42 PM GMT
    Masculinity is a demeanor on how you approach, handle, and or deal with life.

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    May 03, 2013 10:54 PM GMT
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    May 04, 2013 3:25 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidThis
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    I was gonna say the masculinity is simply testosterone but this pic has me confused.
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    May 04, 2013 3:31 AM GMT
    I think you are confusing masculinity with maturity. All the traits you listed are for people who are mature.

    Masculinity basically means that your demeanor and mannerisms (including speech) are heterosexual. People cannot tell you are gay unless you tell them.
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    May 04, 2013 3:39 AM GMT
    FLgator said
    Masculinity basically means that your demeanor and mannerisms (including speech) are heterosexual.


    Uh, no.

    Masculinity is what a specific culture or culture subset within a specific context defines as characteristic behavior/appearance of men. Which basically means there is no universal definition of masculinity.
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    May 04, 2013 3:43 AM GMT
    Tieh said
    FLgator said
    Masculinity basically means that your demeanor and mannerisms (including speech) are heterosexual.


    Uh, no.

    Masculinity is what a specific culture or culture subset within a specific context defines as characteristic behavior/appearance of men. Which basically means there is no universal definition of masculinity.


    I disagree. You make my point. Masculinity is what society believes is heterosexual behavior for men. I agree that it is not universal, it is based on society's norms for a population.
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    May 04, 2013 4:17 AM GMT
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    May 04, 2013 4:20 AM GMT
    FLgator saidI think you are confusing masculinity with maturity. All the traits you listed are for people who are mature.

    Masculinity basically means that your demeanor and mannerisms (including speech) are heterosexual. People cannot tell you are gay unless you tell them.


    False.

    FALSE.

    REALLY FALSE

    Just WRONG.

    Try again....
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    May 04, 2013 4:20 AM GMT
    bhp91126, Tieh, and FLGator are right. You have defined maturity, not masculinity. Masculinity is not so easy to define.

    However, I understand what you are trying to do. So, how about we start from Tieh's definition, and you decide what culture and context you would like to define the term for?

    Then, if hell freezes over, perhaps we can agree on a few behavior/appearance characteristics that are differential.

    Tieh saidMasculinity is what a specific culture or culture subset within a specific context defines as characteristic behavior/appearance of men.
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    May 04, 2013 4:23 AM GMT
    shortbutsweet said
    Then, if hell freezes over, perhaps we can agree on a few behavior/appearance characteristics that are differential.



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    May 04, 2013 4:38 AM GMT
    FLgator saidI think you are confusing masculinity with maturity. All the traits you listed are for people who are mature.

    Masculinity basically means that your demeanor and mannerisms (including speech) are heterosexual. People cannot tell you are gay unless you tell them.


    That definition fails because our concept of masculinity predates any real societal consideration of heterosexuality or homosexuality.

    Anyway, whether or not we've done this one before, I think the OP started the thread in a more-interesting-than-usual manner. I don't like being thoughtful on a smartphone, so I'll stop by later...
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    May 04, 2013 4:46 AM GMT
    Tieh said
    shortbutsweet said
    Then, if hell freezes over, perhaps we can agree on a few behavior/appearance characteristics that are differential.



    I say we order pizza instead icon_idea.gif


    Pffft. How are we going to agree on the toppings?
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    May 04, 2013 5:23 AM GMT
    shortbutsweet said
    Tieh said
    shortbutsweet said
    Then, if hell freezes over, perhaps we can agree on a few behavior/appearance characteristics that are differential.



    I say we order pizza instead icon_idea.gif


    Pffft. How are we going to agree on the toppings?


    I already ordered a meat lover's
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    May 04, 2013 5:58 AM GMT
    There are cultural/social and innate characteristics of masculinity. It all depends what you're looking at. Nobody is 100% masc or fem.

    What's masculine in innate terms?
    -good spacial skills
    -being anti-social
    -aggression
    -strong sexual desire
    -not listening
    -being bad at identifying colors

    Social/cultural terms (based on our society)?
    -liking dark or plain colors
    -wearing shorts passing the knees
    -having shorter hair
    -being into certain sports

    Social and cultural definitions of masculinity vary from culture, society and time period. Basically masculinity means being appropriate for males. Of course there are differences. We might think that pink is feminine but at one point it was considered masculine.

    Can you be into muscle cars but be a social butterfly? Yes. Could you have bad spacial skills but always think about sex? Yes. No man fits into what is considered masculine 100%.
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    May 04, 2013 6:08 AM GMT
    wesv said

    What's masculine in innate terms?
    -good spacial skills
    -being anti-social
    -aggression
    -strong sexual desire
    -not listening
    -being bad at identifying colors

    Social/cultural terms (based on our society)?
    -liking dark or plain colors
    -wearing shorts passing the knees
    -having shorter hair
    -being into certain sports



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    May 04, 2013 6:32 AM GMT
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    FLgator saidI think you are confusing masculinity with maturity. All the traits you listed are for people who are mature.

    Masculinity basically means that your demeanor and mannerisms (including speech) are heterosexual. People cannot tell you are gay unless you tell them.


    [quote][cite]QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE[/cite]That definition fails because our concept of masculinity predates any real societal consideration of heterosexuality or homosexuality.


    Anyway, whether or not we've done this one before, I think the OP started the thread in a more-interesting-than-usual manner. I don't like being thoughtful on a smartphone, so I'll stop by later...
    [/quote]

    So you are suggesting is that with the advent of "mainstream" homosexuality, the concept of masculinity needs to be expanded on? Intrigued....