Moving out of NYC....

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    May 05, 2013 10:06 PM GMT
    So I have been thinking very seriously (again) about moving away from the city, for a few reasons.

    1. It's really expensive here
    2. The job market sucks
    3. I really love the outdoors/being outside/nature
    4. I've been here almost 9 years....
    5. I am a fitness professional (can do that anywhere)
    6. I'd like to try something different


    In the past I have looked at Denver -- and I loved what I saw. But it's definitely more of a wintery climate. I have tons of family in Florida, but not sure if Ft. Lauderdale (which is pretty 'older gay,' no? -- like Chelsea here in NYC) would be better or Palm Beach or Clearwater?? I have also heard great things about cities in Texas.

    Anyone have any advice suggestions? I don't necessarily need to be surrounded by gays -- or the gay scene -- I'm a bit more low key then that and my live doesn't revolve around the nightlife.

    I'd love to know anyone's thoughts!
  • gwuinsf

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    May 06, 2013 3:52 PM GMT
    If the job market is bad in NYC, why do you think it's better anywhere else? Especially in your field where more people = more customers.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 06, 2013 3:57 PM GMT
    gwuinsf saidIf the job market is bad in NYC, why do you think it's better anywhere else?


    It's actually better in Texas. #truestory. The problem is you have to live in Texas.
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    May 06, 2013 3:59 PM GMT
    I'm not sure if there is a correlation between retired people on an area and more personal trainer clientele. You might want to look into that. I would assume old people wouldn't care throwing money at fitness more than other population. If so, move into that area.
  • str8hardbody9

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    May 06, 2013 4:00 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    gwuinsf saidIf the job market is bad in NYC, why do you think it's better anywhere else?


    It's actually better in Texas. #truestory. The problem is you have to live in Texas.


    Go to Austin, Texas
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    May 09, 2013 3:25 AM GMT
    I suggest maybe looking into renting an apartment for a year somewhere and then deciding from there what you want to do next. You may realize that you miss New York, even if it is expensive.

    You're young, single, and have an easily transferable career, so why not?
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    May 09, 2013 3:42 AM GMT
    str8hardbody9 said
    TroyAthlete said
    gwuinsf saidIf the job market is bad in NYC, why do you think it's better anywhere else?


    It's actually better in Texas. #truestory. The problem is you have to live in Texas.


    Go to Austin, Texas


    Yup. Austin is friggin awesome.

    I use to live in providence, RI...it was great location wise because I was so close to Boston as well as NYC.

    I'm back in Buffalo, NY now...its def a SMALL gay community, but it's a great city all in itself. 'city of good neighbors' those who live here, love it.
  • Joeyphx444

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    May 09, 2013 3:59 AM GMT
    I would personally choose Colorado Spring over Denver

    The problem with New Yorkers, or really any big city dweller is that they move somewhere and they are so used to the life of NYC that everywhere is boring and sucks to them. Like you said, maybe you aren't really meant to live in the city since you aren't into nightlife too much BUT there's more than living in a city than that. You can live in a city and be close to nature.

    I feel like a low key city like Denver or really anything out west besides Seattle, LA, and San Francisco would be a good change if you want that

    From my experience, cities in the west and southeast are more geared toward nature and being outside rather than being cooped up in a high rise or a pavement jungle. I would recommend, for $$ and jobs, Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, N and S Carolina. California is like a NY of the west so stay away lol
  • Joeyphx444

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    May 09, 2013 4:00 AM GMT
    str8hardbody9 said
    TroyAthlete said
    gwuinsf saidIf the job market is bad in NYC, why do you think it's better anywhere else?


    It's actually better in Texas. #truestory. The problem is you have to live in Texas.


    Go to Austin, Texas


    I hear nothing but good things about Austin
    Dallas and Houston are really good places to be now for growth and housing is cheap and really nice
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 11, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
    ithnku8micr8on said
    str8hardbody9 said
    TroyAthlete said
    gwuinsf saidIf the job market is bad in NYC, why do you think it's better anywhere else?


    It's actually better in Texas. #truestory. The problem is you have to live in Texas.


    Go to Austin, Texas


    Yup. Austin is friggin awesome.

    I use to live in providence, RI...it was great location wise because I was so close to Boston as well as NYC.

    I'm back in Buffalo, NY now...its def a SMALL gay community, but it's a great city all in itself. 'city of good neighbors' those who live here, love it.
    I agree 100%. Buffalo is a very nice city with an affordable cost of living and friendly people and awesome architecture. Yes it has its serious problems but than so does everyplace else in this world. I don't blame you for wanting to move out of NYC. It is too expensive and it is overtaxed. Plus with that fascist control freak they have as mayor who is out to micromanage everyones daily life. Come check out Buffalo.

    But do not go to Austin, Texas. Trust me on this one, I lived in Austin for nine years and it was lousy. Austin is horrendously overrated and it is very expensive and very unfriendly. Plus the city of Austin itself is very suburban in character with hideous, low rise sprawl and excessively heavy traffic along with primitive, inadequate urban infrastructure. If you want to relocate to Texas, there are better places to go. Cities like San Antonio, Fort Worth, Dallas, and Houston are great cities but unfortunately very auto dependent with the ubiquitous heavy traffic. Check out some of the smaller cities in Texas as well. Galveston is a very beautiful, beach city on the Gulf just SE of Houston. Beaumont is pretty nice even though it has been through hard economic times in the recent past. But stay away from Austin. All the great things you heard about Austin are hyperbole. Also avoid the narrow minded, bible thumping screwball hubs of Abilene, Amarillo, Big Spring, Midland, and Odessa.
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    May 11, 2013 4:42 PM GMT
    I went through the same thing. I lived in NYC for 12 years. I moved to LA to try a more outdoor lifestyle, plus I live the car culture and weather. Plus it was cheaper and I wanted to have more money to do other things than paying rent.
  • HottJoe

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    May 11, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    gwuinsf saidIf the job market is bad in NYC, why do you think it's better anywhere else?


    It's actually better in Texas. #truestory. The problem is you have to live in Texas.


    You could say the same thing about North Dakota.icon_lol.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 11, 2013 5:15 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    TroyAthlete said
    gwuinsf saidIf the job market is bad in NYC, why do you think it's better anywhere else?


    It's actually better in Texas. #truestory. The problem is you have to live in Texas.


    You could say the same thing about North Dakota.icon_lol.gif
    How about Minnesota, South Dakota and Nebraskaicon_question.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 12, 2013 6:00 PM GMT
    Another great and very gay friendly city to check out is Columbus, Ohio. Not only is Columbus the state capital it is also Ohio's largest city and is one of the fastest growing and one of the most prosperous and progressive. It is also one of the hottest gay meccas in the US. Columbus and its suburbs have also held out well through the recent deep recession and the economy is still very strong probably the strongest in Ohio especially when compared to older, declining cities like Cleveland, Toledo, and Cincinnati which all suffered severe population loses last decade. Unfortunately my hometown of Buffalo also suffered a severe population loss as well but demographics don't tell the whole story.
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    May 12, 2013 6:05 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidAnother great and very gay friendly city to check out is Columbus, Ohio. Not only is Columbus the state capital it is also Ohio's largest city and is one of the fastest growing and one of the most prosperous and progressive. It is also one of the hottest gay meccas in the US. Columbus and its suburbs have also held out well through the recent deep recession and the economy is still very strong probably the strongest in Ohio especially when compared to older, declining cities like Cleveland, Toledo, and Cincinnati which all suffered severe population loses last decade. Unfortunately my hometown of Buffalo also suffered a severe population loss as well but demographics don't tell the whole story.


    Wow.

    Buffalo.

    Columbus.

    Yer jet-set lifestyle and glamorous exploits are almost too much to handle.

    What next..Scranton!??!?!?!
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 12, 2013 6:14 PM GMT
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob saidAnother great and very gay friendly city to check out is Columbus, Ohio. Not only is Columbus the state capital it is also Ohio's largest city and is one of the fastest growing and one of the most prosperous and progressive. It is also one of the hottest gay meccas in the US. Columbus and its suburbs have also held out well through the recent deep recession and the economy is still very strong probably the strongest in Ohio especially when compared to older, declining cities like Cleveland, Toledo, and Cincinnati which all suffered severe population loses last decade. Unfortunately my hometown of Buffalo also suffered a severe population loss as well but demographics don't tell the whole story.


    Wow.

    Buffalo.

    Columbus.

    Yer jet-set lifestyle and glamorous exploits are almost too much to handle.

    What next..Scranton!??!?!?!
    You need to discover the real America. Get away from the overpriced, overcrowded coasts. Come to the beautiful, scenic interior of the US and help us wrestle this gorgeous part of the US from the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. Furthermore, what is wrong with Scrantonicon_question.gif
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    May 12, 2013 6:26 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob saidAnother great and very gay friendly city to check out is Columbus, Ohio. Not only is Columbus the state capital it is also Ohio's largest city and is one of the fastest growing and one of the most prosperous and progressive. It is also one of the hottest gay meccas in the US. Columbus and its suburbs have also held out well through the recent deep recession and the economy is still very strong probably the strongest in Ohio especially when compared to older, declining cities like Cleveland, Toledo, and Cincinnati which all suffered severe population loses last decade. Unfortunately my hometown of Buffalo also suffered a severe population loss as well but demographics don't tell the whole story.


    Wow.

    Buffalo.

    Columbus.

    Yer jet-set lifestyle and glamorous exploits are almost too much to handle.

    What next..Scranton!??!?!?!
    You need to discover the real America. Get away from the overpriced, overcrowded coasts. Come to the beautiful, scenic interior of the US and help us wrestle this gorgeous part of the US from the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. What is wrong with Scrantonicon_question.gif


    Nothing "wrong" with any of them.



    NO ONE looks out their window and dreams of seeing Ohio.

    Des Moines inspired nothing.

    no poetry.

    No great works of art.

    The fact that one can find a great price on a split level mock Tudor in Peoria does nothing to make a difference.

    Try Paris. Try Moscow. Berlin. Rio...ANY place where there is life.


  • roadbikeRob

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    May 12, 2013 6:35 PM GMT
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob said
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob saidAnother great and very gay friendly city to check out is Columbus, Ohio. Not only is Columbus the state capital it is also Ohio's largest city and is one of the fastest growing and one of the most prosperous and progressive. It is also one of the hottest gay meccas in the US. Columbus and its suburbs have also held out well through the recent deep recession and the economy is still very strong probably the strongest in Ohio especially when compared to older, declining cities like Cleveland, Toledo, and Cincinnati which all suffered severe population loses last decade. Unfortunately my hometown of Buffalo also suffered a severe population loss as well but demographics don't tell the whole story.


    Wow.

    Buffalo.

    Columbus.

    Yer jet-set lifestyle and glamorous exploits are almost too much to handle.

    What next..Scranton!??!?!?!
    You need to discover the real America. Get away from the overpriced, overcrowded coasts. Come to the beautiful, scenic interior of the US and help us wrestle this gorgeous part of the US from the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. What is wrong with Scrantonicon_question.gif


    Nothing "wrong" with any of them.



    NO ONE looks out their window and dreams of seeing Ohio.

    Des Moines inspired nothing.

    no poetry.

    No great works of art.

    The fact that one can find a great price on a split level mock Tudor in Peoria does nothing to make a difference.

    Try Paris. Try Moscow. Berlin. Rio...ANY place where there is life.


    Just because it is famous has great works of art and inspired poetry over the years doesn't necessarily make it more desireable to relocate and live. Paris, Berlin, Moscow those are very big cities with the ubiquitous high living costs and urban problems and stressful lifestyles. Rio is dirty, poor and extremely dangerous. In fact Rio is much more deadly than Detroit. There is life in lesser known places like Des Moines, Toledo, and Louisville. Life is definitely not confined just to the big, glamourous places and the biggest cities. You need to get out of NYC for awhile and discover the real world.
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    May 12, 2013 6:47 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob said
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob saidAnother great and very gay friendly city to check out is Columbus, Ohio. Not only is Columbus the state capital it is also Ohio's largest city and is one of the fastest growing and one of the most prosperous and progressive. It is also one of the hottest gay meccas in the US. Columbus and its suburbs have also held out well through the recent deep recession and the economy is still very strong probably the strongest in Ohio especially when compared to older, declining cities like Cleveland, Toledo, and Cincinnati which all suffered severe population loses last decade. Unfortunately my hometown of Buffalo also suffered a severe population loss as well but demographics don't tell the whole story.


    Wow.

    Buffalo.

    Columbus.

    Yer jet-set lifestyle and glamorous exploits are almost too much to handle.

    What next..Scranton!??!?!?!
    You need to discover the real America. Get away from the overpriced, overcrowded coasts. Come to the beautiful, scenic interior of the US and help us wrestle this gorgeous part of the US from the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. What is wrong with Scrantonicon_question.gif


    Nothing "wrong" with any of them.



    NO ONE looks out their window and dreams of seeing Ohio.

    Des Moines inspired nothing.

    no poetry.

    No great works of art.

    The fact that one can find a great price on a split level mock Tudor in Peoria does nothing to make a difference.

    Try Paris. Try Moscow. Berlin. Rio...ANY place where there is life.


    Just because it is famous has great works of art and inspired poetry over the years doesn't necessarily make it more desireable to relocate and live. Paris, Berlin, Moscow those are very big cities with the ubiquitous high living costs and urban problems and stressful lifestyles. Rio is dirty, poor and extremely dangerous. In fact Rio is much more deadly than Detroit. There is life in lesser known places like Des Moines, Toledo, and Louisville. Life is definitely not confined just to the big, glamourous places and the biggest cities. You need to get out of NYC for awhile and discover the real world.


    I have a valid passport and a high credit line.

    TRUST Me - I have seen a few places off the beaten path.

    They are quaint.

    They have their charm.

    I have sampled apple butter in rustic Inns.

    And the people who belong there will inevetibly find their way EXACTLY where they should be.

    It is safe and secure and predictable and nothing interesting will ever happen.

    And that is OK.

    just OK.

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    May 12, 2013 6:51 PM GMT
    How bout you move upstate? I live in the Poughkeepsie area (1 hr on metro north to NYC) and its got enough city where you have everything you need in one area plus the rural wilderness surrounding. And if you ever realize you miss the city you can still hitch a ride on the train back down.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 12, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob said
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob said
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob saidAnother great and very gay friendly city to check out is Columbus, Ohio. Not only is Columbus the state capital it is also Ohio's largest city and is one of the fastest growing and one of the most prosperous and progressive. It is also one of the hottest gay meccas in the US. Columbus and its suburbs have also held out well through the recent deep recession and the economy is still very strong probably the strongest in Ohio especially when compared to older, declining cities like Cleveland, Toledo, and Cincinnati which all suffered severe population loses last decade. Unfortunately my hometown of Buffalo also suffered a severe population loss as well but demographics don't tell the whole story.


    Wow.

    Buffalo.

    Columbus.

    Yer jet-set lifestyle and glamorous exploits are almost too much to handle.

    What next..Scranton!??!?!?!
    You need to discover the real America. Get away from the overpriced, overcrowded coasts. Come to the beautiful, scenic interior of the US and help us wrestle this gorgeous part of the US from the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. What is wrong with Scrantonicon_question.gif


    Nothing "wrong" with any of them.



    NO ONE looks out their window and dreams of seeing Ohio.

    Des Moines inspired nothing.

    no poetry.

    No great works of art.

    The fact that one can find a great price on a split level mock Tudor in Peoria does nothing to make a difference.

    Try Paris. Try Moscow. Berlin. Rio...ANY place where there is life.


    Just because it is famous has great works of art and inspired poetry over the years doesn't necessarily make it more desireable to relocate and live. Paris, Berlin, Moscow those are very big cities with the ubiquitous high living costs and urban problems and stressful lifestyles. Rio is dirty, poor and extremely dangerous. In fact Rio is much more deadly than Detroit. There is life in lesser known places like Des Moines, Toledo, and Louisville. Life is definitely not confined just to the big, glamourous places and the biggest cities. You need to get out of NYC for awhile and discover the real world.


    I have a valid passport and a high credit line.

    TRUST Me - I have seen a few places off the beaten path.

    They are quaint.

    They have their charm.

    I have sampled apple butter in rustic Inns.

    And the people who belong there will inevetibly find their way EXACTLY where they should be.

    It is safe and secure and predictable and nothing interesting will ever happen.

    And that is OK.

    just OK.

    icon_neutral.gif



    icon_neutral.gificon_neutral.gif
    They are also the most livable places. Interesting things do happen in these lesser places off the beaten path. The only real big cities that I could possibly live in are Philadelphia, Chicago, and Houston. Otherwise the mid sized and smaller cities are the right place for me.
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    May 12, 2013 6:58 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob said
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob said
    Cash said
    roadbikeRob saidAnother great and very gay friendly city to check out is Columbus, Ohio. Not only is Columbus the state capital it is also Ohio's largest city and is one of the fastest growing and one of the most prosperous and progressive. It is also one of the hottest gay meccas in the US. Columbus and its suburbs have also held out well through the recent deep recession and the economy is still very strong probably the strongest in Ohio especially when compared to older, declining cities like Cleveland, Toledo, and Cincinnati which all suffered severe population loses last decade. Unfortunately my hometown of Buffalo also suffered a severe population loss as well but demographics don't tell the whole story.


    Wow.

    Buffalo.

    Columbus.

    Yer jet-set lifestyle and glamorous exploits are almost too much to handle.

    What next..Scranton!??!?!?!
    You need to discover the real America. Get away from the overpriced, overcrowded coasts. Come to the beautiful, scenic interior of the US and help us wrestle this gorgeous part of the US from the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs. What is wrong with Scrantonicon_question.gif


    Nothing "wrong" with any of them.



    NO ONE looks out their window and dreams of seeing Ohio.

    Des Moines inspired nothing.

    no poetry.

    No great works of art.

    The fact that one can find a great price on a split level mock Tudor in Peoria does nothing to make a difference.

    Try Paris. Try Moscow. Berlin. Rio...ANY place where there is life.


    Just because it is famous has great works of art and inspired poetry over the years doesn't necessarily make it more desireable to relocate and live. Paris, Berlin, Moscow those are very big cities with the ubiquitous high living costs and urban problems and stressful lifestyles. Rio is dirty, poor and extremely dangerous. In fact Rio is much more deadly than Detroit. There is life in lesser known places like Des Moines, Toledo, and Louisville. Life is definitely not confined just to the big, glamourous places and the biggest cities. You need to get out of NYC for awhile and discover the real world.


    I have a valid passport and a high credit line.

    TRUST Me - I have seen a few places off the beaten path.

    They are quaint.

    They have their charm.

    I have sampled apple butter in rustic Inns.

    And the people who belong there will inevetibly find their way EXACTLY where they should be.

    It is safe and secure and predictable and nothing interesting will ever happen.

    And that is OK.

    just OK.

    icon_neutral.gif



    icon_neutral.gificon_neutral.gif
    They are also the most livable places. Interesting things do happen in these lesser places off the beaten path. The only real big cities that I could possibly live in are Philadelphia, Chicago, and Houston. Otherwise the mid sized and smaller cities are the right place for me.


    There is no doubt - you are exactly where you belong.

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    May 12, 2013 7:10 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    TroyAthlete said
    gwuinsf saidIf the job market is bad in NYC, why do you think it's better anywhere else?

    It's actually better in Texas. #truestory. The problem is you have to live in Texas.

    You could say the same thing about North Dakota.icon_lol.gif

    North Dakota has a very good job market right now in certain fields, cost of living not too bad. But the climate really is harsh, the terrain flat farmland for much of it, the population density very low in places. It's also trending politically conservative as the population ages, young people leaving, not very gay friendly outside the main cities of Fargo, Grand Forks & Bismarck. Not a single gay bar in the entire State.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 12, 2013 7:16 PM GMT
    The OP should also check out these vibrant smaller places- Burlington VT, Ithaca NY, and Madison WI.

    I wish that some of you staunch big city lovers would accept the harsh reality that the reason why the OP is leaving New York City is because he is tired of spending most of his hard earned income just on living expenses. After awhile, you want to start having something to show for in life rather than just paying for housing, utilities, and food. Most big major cities are just pricing themselves right out of the marketplace. Who can blame the OP or anyone else for that matter for fleeing the big city and its astronomically high cost of living.
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    May 12, 2013 7:17 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidFort Lauderdale doesn't skew "older gay", Wilton Manors does. Wilton Manors is a separate city from Fort Lauderdale, which has plenty of the younger set.

    Correct. Although younger gay residents visit Wilton Manors a lot, since we have a good concentration of gay attractions in a small area. While Fort Lauderdale places are pretty much spread out all over the map.