Gay vs. Homosexual

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    Oct 23, 2008 12:21 PM GMT
    Have you ever noticed that liberals/GLBTQ people/progressives tend to use the word "gay/lesbian" and... Conservatives/religious fundies/republicans tend to use the word "Homosexual" when decribing our sexual oreintation?

    "I'm a gay man" --> "He's a homosexual."

    "I believe in gay marriage." --> "I'm aganist homosexual marriage."

    "There is no gay agenda!" --> "The homosexual agenda will destroy our young people and this nation."

    Anybody else notice that? I think they use Homosexual partly because it contains the word "SEX" and Republican/Conservatives (tend to be/seem to be) fearful of talking about sex... or sex in general.
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    Oct 23, 2008 12:52 PM GMT
    Some of them use homosinual.

    Homosexual sounds so much more clinical. It sounds like a disease one catches if one hangs out with their filthy kind, like they are a pack of humping zombies.... hm... humping zombie. icon_twisted.gif
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    Oct 23, 2008 1:13 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidSome of them use homosinual.

    Homosexual sounds so much more clinical. It sounds like a disease one catches if one hangs out with their filthy kind, like they are a pack of humping zombies.... hm... humping zombie. icon_twisted.gif


    I have always liked the terms "homosexual" and "bisexual" and "heterosexual" because they are accurate. But then again I come from a family of doctors so clinical terms are constantly being used.

    The term "gay" brings to my mind somebody that is flighty and not to be take seriously. I use it because it is the current accepted term. I also use "queer" which to me is not derogatory but complimentary. I was a queer kid, and to be honest I think all homos to a certain extent are. I think we realize from a very early age that we are slightly different then our peers. To me it is like looking through a window that is slightly distorted (our cottage has windows like that, they were made in 1907).
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    Oct 23, 2008 1:35 PM GMT
    I hate that word "Homosexual". It's so condescending but isn't considered derogatory and so leaves me defenseless at being outraged by it. I prefer "Fag" to "Homosexual".

    When I was first training to be an insurance agent we learned about "Insurable Interest". Gay and Lesbians couples in most states can't claim their partner as a beneficiary because of the "Insurable Interest" clause. After class I asked the instructor if there is a means to make a gay or lesbian partner a beneficiary. He turned to me and said; "you mean Homosexual?" I dropped the subject. Ohio Department of Insurance laws are very strict and I can't say much more about the subject after that.




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    Oct 23, 2008 3:37 PM GMT
    I'm a homo that's it.

    what's the old saying:
    "being gay implies homosexuality, homosexuality doesn't imply being gay.

    oivey
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    Oct 23, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    Homosexual has never been a good term, not even complying with scientific rubrics. Individual scientific names & terms are supposed to be built all from the Greek or from the Latin. But homosexual combines roots from both.

    Homo is from the Greek for same. Sexual is from the Latin for sex. The compound term was intended to mean "same sex."

    But homo in Latin relates to man. So homosexual, as a purely Latin-derived compound, would mean "man sex."

    And that's the incorrect meaning often given the word: men who have sex with each other. But the original intent of the word was sex between members of the same gender, which would include women as well as men.

    To make it more confusing, popular use of "homoerotic" has come to mean something that is erotic to men. That would now reverse the roots, with the Latin homo for a man, and the Greek eros for sexual love or interest.

    And yes, I agree the anti-gay forces use the more clinical-sounding homosexual to make our orientation seem like a disorder that needs to be cured.
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    Oct 23, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
    I never competely understood the "need" to serperate Gay and Lesbian...
    They are homosexual.
    But I also really never noticed the "use" difference, intersting...
    I'll have to pay attention to it more.
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    Oct 23, 2008 4:30 PM GMT
    "Homosexual" sounds clinical to me, apropo of a lab. Conservatives/religous types like this word because it reminds them of those good old B.C.E. days...I'll stop there

    "Gay" sounds a bit foppish and doesn't account for butch women and men to me (also, there's an elementary ring to it)

    Queer is my preferred word as it encompasses women, men, gender non-conformists, transgendered people, and also something or someone sexually transgressive and/or progressive.

    (I've never understood why it's referred to as "gays and lesbians" when wouldn't a lesbian be "gay" (meaning same gendered sexual attraction) anyway???)
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    Oct 23, 2008 4:32 PM GMT
    My favorite is still: those who "putt from the rough".

    My least favorite is: those who "bat for the Yankees".
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    Oct 23, 2008 4:36 PM GMT
    "confirmed bachelor" still makes me giggle
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    Oct 23, 2008 4:37 PM GMT
    - the gays have pride parades
    - the homosexuals have an agenda (which reminds me - when is our next meeting? i have some new items for the agenda)
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    Oct 23, 2008 6:08 PM GMT
    I am OK with either.
    Really can't be bothered to ................be bothered with either word.

    With that said, i do not take kindly to "queer or fag". Maybe what you find more appropriate or acceptable has to do more with your generation?
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    Oct 23, 2008 6:16 PM GMT
    I can't stand the words 'homosexual' or 'queer,' and hearing people talk about 'allies' makes my teeth bleed. I do, however, fondly like my pair of homotesticles.
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    Oct 23, 2008 6:20 PM GMT
    zdrew saidI can't stand the words 'homosexual' or 'queer,' and hearing people talk about 'allies' makes my teeth bleed. I do, however, fondly like my pair of homotesticles.


    and when decorating your living room, do you prefer a homosectional
    to a love seat??
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    Oct 23, 2008 6:31 PM GMT
    zdrew saidI can't stand the words 'homosexual' or 'queer,' and hearing people talk about 'allies' makes my teeth bleed. I do, however, fondly like my pair of homotesticles.



    Homosexual is the proper and correct word to describe us. That is what we are. I have no problem with it, and I'm amazed reading this thread to see how many have a problem with it. My head hurts just trying to understand why any gay (homosexual) man would have a problem with it.

    Now, qu**r is a word I just can not stand. It is insulting, and even more so to hear a gay man use it. It means you are odd or something weird is wrong with you. There is nothing wrong with me, thank you very much.

    Call me qu**r and you are likely to get a black eye.
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    Oct 23, 2008 7:51 PM GMT
    MikePhil said


    Homosexual is the proper and correct word to describe us. That is what we are. I have no problem with it, and I'm amazed reading this thread to see how many have a problem with it. My head hurts just trying to understand why any gay (homosexual) man would have a problem with it.

    Now, qu**r is a word I just can not stand. It is insulting, and even more so to hear a gay man use it. It means you are odd or something weird is wrong with you. There is nothing wrong with me, thank you very much.

    Call me qu**r and you are likely to get a black eye.


    See, I am queer. I'm most definitely odd and out of the ordinary. Downright strange even. A gay unicorn of sorts.

    So queer doesn't bother me. That said, I never use it because it really bothers my parents (who're from a time when it was very very noncomplimentary).
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    Oct 23, 2008 8:08 PM GMT
    It's politically incorrect to say gays or lesbians to homosexual individuals. If you notice, politicians, people working in the UN don't use words like gay, poor, black people. They have to use other words.

    I like the word gay. But, "why me so sad when I'm gay"icon_cry.gif (kidding, I'm not sad, gay, get it?)
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    Oct 23, 2008 8:42 PM GMT
    As my grandmother use to say , he's a mans, MAN, icon_wink.gificon_wink.gif
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    Oct 23, 2008 9:28 PM GMT
    I am most assuredly a Mans man Haha
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    Oct 23, 2008 9:31 PM GMT
    MikePhil said

    Homosexual is the proper and correct word to describe us. That is what we are. I have no problem with it, and I'm amazed reading this thread to see how many have a problem with it. My head hurts just trying to understand why any gay (homosexual) man would have a problem with it.


    To me, Mike, it's all about context and respect. 'Homosexual' sounds too polished and politically correct, too clinical and categorical for my ears. When folks utter the word, in my experience its because they're tip-toeing around an issue that's not all that comfortable to them. At best, it's categorizing; at worst it's placating. And placating is worse than denigrating, to me. 'Queer' is too academic, and when people talk about 'queer allies'...well, that just sounds like a victim mentality I, personally, don't follow.

    When I tell people I'm gay, it's not the same as telling them I'm homosexual. Telling someone I'm gay is telling them a little about a culture I identify with, a certain pride in who I am and whatnot. It's a statement that even if I don't fit every stereotypical little mold for what society thinks and expects a gay man to be, it's a category that I embrace as a statement of our diversity. Homosexual activity is what goes on in my bedroom at night. Being gay is who I am all the time.

    Make more sense now?
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    Oct 23, 2008 9:43 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidSome of them use homosinual.

    Oh dear lord, are you serious? icon_lol.gif That's the funniest thing I think I've ever heard; I'm gonna have to start using it now.
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    Oct 23, 2008 9:46 PM GMT
    I see it as two issues.

    One, the conservatives I know harp on the fact that gay used to mean something else and they insist the word has been misappropriated and will not contribute to that.

    Two, the word homosexual is more clinical, gay is more affable. Fundamentalists prefer to de-humanize gays as much as possible, so they prefer not to use an affable term.
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    Oct 23, 2008 9:57 PM GMT
    zdrew said
    MikePhil said

    Homosexual is the proper and correct word to describe us. That is what we are. I have no problem with it, and I'm amazed reading this thread to see how many have a problem with it. My head hurts just trying to understand why any gay (homosexual) man would have a problem with it.


    To me, Mike, it's all about context and respect. 'Homosexual' sounds too polished and politically correct, too clinical and categorical for my ears. When folks utter the word, in my experience its because they're tip-toeing around an issue that's not all that comfortable to them. At best, it's categorizing; at worst it's placating. And placating is worse than denigrating, to me. 'Queer' is too academic, and when people talk about 'queer allies'...well, that just sounds like a victim mentality I, personally, don't follow.

    When I tell people I'm gay, it's not the same as telling them I'm homosexual. Telling someone I'm gay is telling them a little about a culture I identify with, a certain pride in who I am and whatnot. It's a statement that even if I don't fit every stereotypical little mold for what society thinks and expects a gay man to be, it's a category that I embrace as a statement of our diversity. Homosexual activity is what goes on in my bedroom at night. Being gay is who I am all the time.

    Make more sense now?




    Qu**r to me is nothing more than an insult, and to hear a gay person use the word to describe themselves, makes me cringe. And I really dislike it when I hear a gay person refer to all gays as qu**r. I say leave me out of it. If you want to insult yourself in that way fine, but don't insult me.

    As for homosexual, I feel fine with it, but Z I actually understood all you said and in a way I would have to agree with you.

    Yeah, I guess it makes more sense now icon_smile.gif
  • Arcangel7769

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    Oct 24, 2008 12:12 AM GMT
    Either homosexual or gay, makes little difference to me altho homosexual seems too clinical and gay just sounds as someone else already pointed out, too flighty.

    On the other hand I have problems with being referred to as "queer" because it implies different and as history has shown, different tends to equal less somehow to small minded people which makes it easier for them to excuse denial of basic human rights and dignity.

    As for the word "faggot", that is a word I hate. I view it as a person of color would view the "N" word. While we may use it to each other, the rest of the population uses it as a vile derogatory term.

    Never let someone tell you that "they are just words". Words have power. Power to inspire one to either the greatest heights or to the vilest deeds. With this in mind, choose your words carefully, both the ones you use, as well as the ones you allow to be used on you.

    ...ok...off my soapbox now...icon_redface.gif
  • gibbay

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    Oct 24, 2008 12:16 AM GMT
    I'm not a fan of any of those terms: gay/homosexual/queer... I'm a fag and proud of it