Tim Gunn on Prop. 8!

  • pcsean28

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    Oct 23, 2008 10:56 PM GMT
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    Oct 24, 2008 1:54 PM GMT
    I love Tim Gunn. I'd have his babies.
  • Koaa2

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    Oct 24, 2008 2:17 PM GMT
    Hooray for Tim. I already voted NO!
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    Oct 24, 2008 3:10 PM GMT
    I dont think these constitutional amendments are legal. I know that the various constitutions are supposed to be the supreme law, but I dont think that any majority has the right to vote away the rights of a minority. If that were true, then slavery would be acceptable if you got a majority together to vote it in. Yet, nobody would say that slavery is morally right and that any government could sanction slavery. Likewise, no majority can say that a minority can not participate in government sanctioned function
  • twentyfourhou...

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    Oct 24, 2008 3:22 PM GMT
    Well said Carlson.
    If the majority had the ability to amend the US Constitution and if the majority had the ability to dictate Federal policy -
    Would all that came about from the civil rights movement of the 60's have happened?
    Would women have been given the opportunity to vote?
    Would a women who became pg as a result of a rape or incest have the option to terminate the pg?

    Think about the all rights we as individuals have in our Country that are protected by the Constitution but are not popular with the majority. One should not be able to pick and choose what is pertinent or relevant to their beliefs - especially those based on a particular religion.

    I am really concerned that our country may become more divided in 30-80 years - enough so, so that our Country looses its original direction.


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    Oct 24, 2008 3:47 PM GMT
    When I grow up, I wanna be as classy and sophisticated as Mr. Tim Gunn icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 24, 2008 3:49 PM GMT
    Here's an ad I've not seen until today. Wish they would run it more on the TV here in CA. I did hear several radio spots for No on 8 yesterday, perhaps an effort to push it more in the final weeks.

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    Oct 24, 2008 3:55 PM GMT
    Another good one that I think should be hammering TV viewers: Not sure why we're not seeing any of these on TV, perhaps that cost.


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    Oct 24, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    On a more political note... DOMA and this Prop 8, as well as other state amendments to dictate social norms enfuriates me.

    The people behind this stuff (normally called THE RIGHT) are all for less interference in peoples live when it comes to money. But you know, when two people are happy together and wanna take the next step by committing themselves to each other... government just HAS to step in. This huge hypocracy in their ideology just has me wanting to shake some sense into them.

    Just is so amazing how people can say they have the right to bear arms because of the constitution, and yet say we don't have the right to marry. Religious qualms be damned, its just not right to legislate morality. We tried it once before: It was called prohibition and it failed miserably.

    Sometimes, I feel like this country has been reverting back to the 50s and 60s.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 24, 2008 5:13 PM GMT
    Make it Work ! icon_cool.gif
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    Oct 24, 2008 5:20 PM GMT
    Noon8.com? Can't Tim Gunn read a teleprompter? Or maybe he's just too important to film a second take . .
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    Oct 26, 2008 10:52 AM GMT
    Skotlake saidNoon8.com? Can't Tim Gunn read a teleprompter? Or maybe he's just too important to film a second take . .

    He could tell me to go to lickmycornhole.com & I'd still do it with a smile.
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    Oct 26, 2008 4:43 PM GMT
    Caslon7000 saidI dont think these constitutional amendments are legal. I know that the various constitutions are supposed to be the supreme law, but I dont think that any majority has the right to vote away the rights of a minority. If that were true, then slavery would be acceptable if you got a majority together to vote it in. Yet, nobody would say that slavery is morally right and that any government could sanction slavery. Likewise, no majority can say that a minority can not participate in government sanctioned function


    A constitution is the ultimate declaration of what is legal or not. If a constitution states something, it is by definition legal, and there is no higher authority to overrule it.

    Except in the case of state constitutions, whose provisions can be superseded by the US Constitution, if the court finds a conflict with that Federal document. With the current makeup of the US Supreme Court, however, no ruling in favor of gay rights would prevail against a state constitution at present. State prohibitions against gay rights will continue intact.

    The tyranny of the majority was one of the points argued by the founders of the US government. Some felt a monarchy, or supreme executive, would guard against such a situation. The ability of a democracy to work over time was seriously doubted, with minority interests becoming compromised being a chief concern, ultimately leading to chaos.

    Certainly our minority GLBT interests have not faired well under this majority rule.
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    Oct 27, 2008 10:49 AM GMT
    Another "No on Prop 8" ad that I like:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPn5Mt3Butc
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    Oct 28, 2008 4:45 PM GMT
    Don't Be A Douche, Vote no on Prop 8.