Obama: what is he hiding?

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    Oct 24, 2008 1:39 AM GMT


    "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

    Lifelong Democrat, former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General Philip filed suit against Obama in August.

    Berg v. Obama claims Obama should prove that he is a natural born citizen.

    Why doesn't Obama resolve the case by giving his birth certificate to the court? Why won't he release his college and medical records?

    When McCain's citizenship was questioned didn't he quickly release his documents?

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    Oct 24, 2008 1:41 AM GMT
    Here ya go

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    Oct 24, 2008 2:07 AM GMT
    All of this bullshit that the GOP is putting out there to scare people really shows just how desperate they are. What's interesting is that most Republican's can't really tell why they're voting for McCain, only lies about their basis for not voting for Obama.

    I am voting for Obama because he supports:

    1. Civil Unions
    2. Abortion rights
    3. An end to this pointless war in Iraq
    4. Affordable health care for all Americans
    5. Additional taxes for the rich (those over $250k)
    6. Open dialogue with all nations without pre-conditions
    7. An end to "Don't ask, don't tell"
    8. Only limited off-short drilling
    9. Developing non-fossil fuel based energy independence
    10. Restricting the Dept of Homeland Security from trampling our privacy rights
    11. Enforcing our longstanding policy against torture
    12. Providing for the fair process of justice for citizens and non-citizens alike, even those accused of terrorism

    And BTW... if Obama WERE a Muslim which he is NOT... that would make me even more excited about supporting him. I am sick of Americans and Christians believing that this country and their religion is inherently better than all others.
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    Oct 24, 2008 2:44 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidHere ya go


    Thanks. Oh wait, there's this...

    This issue is covered in the video about Mr. Berg and his case.

    The authenticity of Obama birth certificates posted on the Internet is almost impossible to verify.

    The State of Hawaii receives numerous requests to verify these documents. They reportedly refuse to even confirm whether or not the document exists.
    They reportedly refuse to reveal that a valid copy has been issued, when, and to whom.

    They do say that in general a valid birth document has a seal and a signature. Do you see a seal and a signature? No, because they're on the other side. So it would take two images to show the complete certificate.

    Mr. Berg has issued subpoenas to the two hospitals on the island. The hospitals have ignored the subpoenas.

    Only Barack Obama can provide his birth certificate to the court.

    Maybe he could stop by the hospital while he's in Hawaii?

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    Oct 24, 2008 2:53 AM GMT
    jockfever said[quote][cite]MunchingZombie said[/cite]Here ya go

    Thanks. Oh wait, there's this...

    This issue is covered in the video about Mr. Berg and his case.

    The authenticity of Obama birth certificates posted on the Internet is almost impossible to verify.

    The State of Hawaii receives numerous requests to verify these documents. They reportedly refuse to even confirm whether or not the document exists.
    They reportedly refuse to reveal that a valid copy has been issued, when, and to whom.

    They do say that in general a valid birth document has a seal and a signature. Do you see a seal and a signature? No, because they're on the other side. So it would take two images to show the complete certificate.

    Mr. Berg has issued subpoenas to the two hospitals on the island. The hospitals have ignored the subpoenas.

    Only Barack Obama can provide his birth certificate to the court.

    Maybe he could stop by the hospital while he's in Hawaii?



    yawn. For a minority, it must really be terrible knowing that Obama is going to win to decisively.
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    Oct 24, 2008 3:24 AM GMT
    Berg was on Micheal Savage's show tonight... soo im guessing he is very credible icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 24, 2008 3:27 AM GMT
    jockfever said
    MunchingZombie saidHere ya go

    They do say that in general a valid birth document has a seal and a signature. Do you see a seal and a signature? No, because they're on the other side. So it would take two images to show the complete certificate.


    Oh, for criminy's sake, this is ridiculous.

    Here are the rules of evidence. If you have a charge (hypothesis), you need evidence to back it up. It's not up to others to prove your case for you, or to prove a negative. The fact that you don't like Obama, and/or are upset that he's trouncing McCain in the polls, and want to throw out a suspicion doesn't absolve you of the duty to provide the evidence,

    Not the other way around.

    Geez...
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    Oct 24, 2008 3:36 AM GMT

    jockfever> "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

    A "natural born Citizen" includes someone born to an American citizen even if outside the US. Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, was an American citizen at the time of Obama's birth so... even if he was born in Kenya (no evidence of that) he's a "natural born Citizen" and eligible (unlike Ahrnold) to be President.

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    Oct 24, 2008 3:39 AM GMT
    Jockfever - appreciate the thread. Just goes to show that ignorance, or stupidity, is bliss, and present here on the ol' RJ.
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    Oct 24, 2008 3:50 AM GMT
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    jockfever> "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

    A "natural born Citizen" includes someone born to an American citizen even if outside the US. Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, was an American citizen at the time of Obama's birth so... even if he was born in Kenya (no evidence of that) he's a "natural born Citizen" and eligible (unlike Ahrnold) to be President.



    THANK YOU! It's a little more detailed and not as simple as that in our Constitution - but he's an American because his mother is American. It's as simple as that! This thread is still ridiculous - but at least someone has brought a fact into this, not just a lazy question!
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    Oct 24, 2008 4:34 AM GMT
    looknrnd said
    caesarea4 said
    jockfever> "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

    A "natural born Citizen" includes someone born to an American citizen even if outside the US. Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, was an American citizen at the time of Obama's birth so... even if he was born in Kenya (no evidence of that) he's a "natural born Citizen" and eligible (unlike Ahrnold) to be President.



    THANK YOU! It's a little more detailed and not as simple as that in our Constitution - but he's an American because his mother is American. It's as simple as that! This thread is still ridiculous - but at least someone has brought a fact into this, not just a lazy question!


    Actually, it's not. There is a separate set of eligibility criteria for individuals born overseas. Having two American citizens as your parents would not automatically qualify you. According to Berg, the issue at hand is Barack Sr.'s citizenship status as well as the mother's age.

    This is similar to the issue that arised with John McCain in regards to his being born in the Panama Canal Zone. There are specific laws which grant citizenship to individuals born to American citizens on military bases as well as in the Panama Canal Zone.

    This is so irrelevant though. FactCheck.org has already confirmed the authenticity of the birth certificate (or whatever you want to call it), and Hawaii recognizes it as proof of citizenship. Which means that the Republicans need a new line.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/28/lawsuit-questions-obamas-eligibility-for-office/
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    Oct 24, 2008 5:01 AM GMT
    Stupid. Obama is a US Citizen. McCain is also. This is the stupidest blog.
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    Oct 24, 2008 5:11 AM GMT
    As long as you have a parent that is a US Citizen, you are a US citizen, no matter where you are born. Why is that even a question? How dumb and stupid.
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    Oct 24, 2008 5:18 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidAs long as you have a parent that is a US Citizen, you are a US citizen, no matter where you are born. Why is that even a question? How dumb and stupid.


    You would think.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Acquisition_of_citizenship
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    Oct 24, 2008 5:28 AM GMT

    This IS silly, because,

    ""No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

    ....there have been many people born in the US and citizens of the US AFTER the adoption of this constitution!!!

    ...so this can also read that only those citizens (born or naturalized) in existence at the time the constitution was adopted, or before, can be president.

    When was the constitution adopted? 1787? Well, there have been a whole lot of presidents that were born AFTER the adoption, making them too late to legally hold the job! heh

    OK, we know what the statement infers but, we're trying to point out how inane the argument is that no one is ever checked throughout his or her political life to see whether they're a citizen of the US or not, that is until they run for presidency.
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    Oct 24, 2008 5:37 AM GMT
    I read your argument, and once again, can I state that wikipeodia is not the end all and be all of facts. It is user defined.

    There are hard and fast rules about who can be President. You must be a child of a parent of US origin. At least one parent. Not two, but one. It does not say anything about where you are born, but at least one parent one parent must be a native born person.

    Why is that a question? It is clear. You must have, like Obama, one parent born in America? Or, your parents must be US citizens, travellling abroad?Why is that a question?
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    Oct 24, 2008 5:51 AM GMT
    meninlove-

    It is what it is. The Constitution says what it says. If you disagree with it, start a drive for a Constitutional ammendment. We have one for the state Constitution of California. We have citizens that disagree with our state Constitution that give marriage rights to gays. And they are fighting it.

    If you disagree with the rights of the Federal Constition, Fight it!!!!

    Change the Constitution!!

    I am all for it.
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    Oct 24, 2008 5:57 AM GMT
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    Really? Is this an argument you can win? Like it has never been litigated so many times before?

    Go for it. I wish you the best. If you somehow win this argunment, then ARNOLD can run for President, and I will vote for him.
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    Oct 24, 2008 6:03 AM GMT

    Hey Triggerman!

    We don't disagree with the constitution, just the way it can be interpreted and 'spin-doctored', like a lot of other laws etc.

    Besides, we're Canadians and the US Constitution is not ours to change.

    It was, apologies, an attempt at levity in the face of a rather outrageous claim. Really, how can someone exist so long in the US, rising through University and political life, and no one in government knows if the person is a citizen or not?

    It infers that all other US politicians except the existing Prez could be illegal aliens! Good grief, what a concept!

    The Hawaii refusing to divulge info hysteria makes us think of conspiracy theory stuff. Hey that's it! Hawaii is owned and operated by terrorists that are suppressing info!
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    Oct 24, 2008 6:14 AM GMT
    Are we really down to this?

    That Obama was not born in, or a child of, a naturally born citizen?

    So, even though I wish he would NOT be our next President, we are going to stoop so low as say he is not qualified because he was not born in the USA.

    I prefer to argue on ideas. I will debate on ideas. That is my realm. Ideas. A better thought. That my thought is better than yours,

    OK, fight that fight. I want nothing to do with it.

    I will prefer to fight in the realm of ideas.

    JW
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    Oct 24, 2008 6:37 AM GMT
    jockfever said"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

    Lifelong Democrat, former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General Philip filed suit against Obama in August.

    Berg v. Obama claims Obama should prove that he is a natural born citizen.

    Why doesn't Obama resolve the case by giving his birth certificate to the court? Why won't he release his college and medical records?

    When McCain's citizenship was questioned didn't he quickly release his documents?



    If you are American you should know he was born in HAWAII ?
    I do and I am not American?
    AND he will be President ok!
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    Oct 24, 2008 7:55 AM GMT
    Two things stun me about this:

    1. That this late in the race we are still having this stupid discussion.
    2. That Obama's mother's first name is Stanley.
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    Oct 24, 2008 7:56 AM GMT
    It makes do difference where he was born. His Mother was American and thus he is an American.

    Case closed.
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    Oct 24, 2008 8:03 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidI read your argument, and once again, can I state that wikipeodia is not the end all and be all of facts. It is user defined.

    There are hard and fast rules about who can be President. You must be a child of a parent of US origin. At least one parent. Not two, but one. It does not say anything about where you are born, but at least one parent one parent must be a native born person.

    Why is that a question? It is clear. You must have, like Obama, one parent born in America? Or, your parents must be US citizens, travellling abroad?Why is that a question?




    If you had bothered to check, the wiki article footnote links to...

    http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

    I hope you find the state department an acceptable source.

    Where did you get your "one parent" requirement for President? You don't get to question wikipedia (or the dept of state) and be spotty on facts yourself, you know.

    I'm just going to repeat my position that FactCheck.org has confirmed the certificate as authentic, which Hawaii considers proof of citizenship.
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    Oct 24, 2008 8:07 AM GMT
    For those that do not know the American Constitition, if Barak was born to a citizen, he was born American. He has every right to run for the office of President.. And I will support him, if he is.