"This Is Water"

  • MikeW

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    May 10, 2013 1:10 PM GMT
    Curiously, I came across this posted to a porn blog. Sorry, it isn't porn but thought some of you 'youngn's' might find it of interest.

  • Import

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    May 10, 2013 1:20 PM GMT
    so good.

    Loved this.
    Just sent it to my lil bro, who graduated university last weekend.
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    May 10, 2013 2:28 PM GMT
    "Outward circumstances are no substitute for inner experience."--C.G. Jung
  • MikeW

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    May 10, 2013 4:26 PM GMT
    Import saidso good.

    Loved this.
    Just sent it to my lil bro, who graduated university last weekend.

    Definitely not the kind of stuff usually taught in school. Awareness is where its at.
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    May 10, 2013 4:38 PM GMT
    There is a fair bit of truth to that ..
    Bloody loved it ..icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 10, 2013 4:55 PM GMT
    After watching the words that come to mind are those of Joseph Garcin a character in Jean-Paul Sartre's play, Huis Clos, about three deceased characters who are damned and punished by being locked into a room together for eternity:

    "Hell is other people."

    Was the porn was better?

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    May 10, 2013 5:32 PM GMT
    Loved it!
  • MikeW

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    May 10, 2013 5:40 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said"Hell is other people."

    Was the porn was better?

    Ummm, better than what?

    As for other people being hell, I'd argue that it is ourselves who create our own hell on earth much of the time.

    The author of the piece, David Foster Wallace, was apparently a prisoner of his own hell. As well as being a noted author, he was also severely depressed and committed suicide in 2008. Its interesting to me how, at least some of the time, we can intellectually 'think' about awareness and making conscious choices or decisions that positively affect our mood or disposition. But we can also suffer from things over which we have little or no control. This is especially the case if we have no awareness of ourselves, of how we 'default' to a particular attitude.
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    May 10, 2013 5:55 PM GMT
    I really enjoyed this, though I find it hard to believe you found it on a porn blog. icon_eek.gif

    The weird thing is, I already knew about some of these "truths." That's why I am always patient and let everything be without feeling angry. Granted I didn't know all of these "truths" nor do I claim to be perfect.

    The sad part is, the "angry default thinking" that they talked about perfectly describes my dad. He's impatient, and thinks the world revolves around him. I guess that is why we clash so much.
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    May 10, 2013 5:57 PM GMT
    MikeW said
    UndercoverMan said"Hell is other people."

    Was the porn was better?

    Ummm, better than what?

    As for other people being hell, I'd argue that it is ourselves who create our own hell on earth much of the time.

    The author of the piece, David Foster Wallace, was apparently a prisoner of his own hell. As well as being a noted author, he was also severely depressed and committed suicide in 2008. Its interesting to me how, at least some of the time, we can intellectually 'think' about awareness and making conscious choices or decisions that positively affect our mood or disposition. But we can also suffer from things over which we have little or no control. This is especially the case if we have no awareness of ourselves, of how we 'default' to a particular attitude.


    so in other words, people who are just like him such as myself that have been diagnosed with clinical depression have no hope. icon_sad.gif
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    May 10, 2013 6:00 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    MikeW said
    UndercoverMan said"Hell is other people."

    Was the porn was better?

    Ummm, better than what?

    As for other people being hell, I'd argue that it is ourselves who create our own hell on earth much of the time.

    The author of the piece, David Foster Wallace, was apparently a prisoner of his own hell. As well as being a noted author, he was also severely depressed and committed suicide in 2008. Its interesting to me how, at least some of the time, we can intellectually 'think' about awareness and making conscious choices or decisions that positively affect our mood or disposition. But we can also suffer from things over which we have little or no control. This is especially the case if we have no awareness of ourselves, of how we 'default' to a particular attitude.


    so in other words, people who are just like him such as myself that have been diagnosed with clinical depression have no hope. icon_sad.gif


    My mom suffers from Bipolar Disorder and Manic Depression. She is one of the kindest, most lovable, and most upbeat people you will ever meet in your life. You have hope. If she can do it so can you.
  • MikeW

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    May 10, 2013 6:08 PM GMT
    pazzy saidso in other words, people who are just like him such as myself that have been diagnosed with clinical depression have no hope. icon_sad.gif

    That was neither said nor implied. Wallace's death apparently came as a result of his having gone off his medications. I was never diagnosed as "clinically depressed" but in my youth I was a very depressed young man. However, years of therapy and engaging in awareness practices such as meditation made a tremendous difference in my life. I seldom get depressed any more but when I do I just let myself go into it knowing in my mind that 'this, too, shall pass'. A day or so later I'm fine. Depression is a complex disorder and what works for one person may or may not work for another but it is far from hopeless, IMO.
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    May 10, 2013 6:09 PM GMT
    JumpMan_Josh said
    pazzy said
    MikeW said
    UndercoverMan said"Hell is other people."

    Was the porn was better?

    Ummm, better than what?

    As for other people being hell, I'd argue that it is ourselves who create our own hell on earth much of the time.

    The author of the piece, David Foster Wallace, was apparently a prisoner of his own hell. As well as being a noted author, he was also severely depressed and committed suicide in 2008. Its interesting to me how, at least some of the time, we can intellectually 'think' about awareness and making conscious choices or decisions that positively affect our mood or disposition. But we can also suffer from things over which we have little or no control. This is especially the case if we have no awareness of ourselves, of how we 'default' to a particular attitude.


    so in other words, people who are just like him such as myself that have been diagnosed with clinical depression have no hope. icon_sad.gif


    My mom suffers from Bipolar Disorder and Manic Depression. She is one of the kindest, most lovable, and most upbeat people you will ever meet in your life. You have hope. If she can do it so can you.


    but i imagine that she's on meds though to help with her disorder. icon_sad.gif those meds have their side effects which are just as bad as the problem itself. one day, i hope to get off this zoloft because it's kicking my ass. it really hasn't helped with the depression for the most part but it has taken away the ocd though.
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    May 10, 2013 6:11 PM GMT
    MikeW said
    pazzy saidso in other words, people who are just like him such as myself that have been diagnosed with clinical depression have no hope. icon_sad.gif

    That was neither said nor implied. Wallace's death apparently came as a result of his having gone off his medications. I was never diagnosed as "clinically depressed" but in my youth I was a very depressed young man. However, years of therapy and engaging in awareness practices such as meditation made a tremendous difference in my life. I seldom get depressed any more but when I do I just let myself go into it knowing in my mind that 'this, too, shall pass'. A day or so later I'm fine. Depression is a complex disorder and what works for one person may or may not work for another but it is far from hopeless, IMO.


    that's the problem. dude wanted to enjoy a normal life like everybody else but he was screwed because of his condition. can't blame him for coming off his meds. having to be on that daily is annoying as hell with the side effects that could make the condition even worse.
  • LJay

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    May 10, 2013 6:29 PM GMT
    Not really, pazzy. the liquidity of water is a metaphor for the randomness of choice and the possiblity of freedom, as well as multi-faceted awareness.

    Look at things another way.
    You just might have
    a really nice day.
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    May 10, 2013 6:31 PM GMT
    Thanks for the share Mike, you're pretty great icon_smile.gif
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    May 10, 2013 6:43 PM GMT
    MikeW said
    UndercoverMan said"Hell is other people."

    Was the porn was better?

    Ummm, better than what?

    As for other people being hell, I'd argue that it is ourselves who create our own hell on earth much of the time.

    The author of the piece, David Foster Wallace, was apparently a prisoner of his own hell. As well as being a noted author, he was also severely depressed and committed suicide in 2008. Its interesting to me how, at least some of the time, we can intellectually 'think' about awareness and making conscious choices or decisions that positively affect our mood or disposition. But we can also suffer from things over which we have little or no control. This is especially the case if we have no awareness of ourselves, of how we 'default' to a particular attitude.


    Walking around being constantly aware is exhausting. If I had to walk around making up background stories to excuse other people's inconsiderate behavior I'd have no time for anything else. Zeus knows I try to be patient for my own sanity but other people can really be Hell sometimes.

    I was raise to be considerate of others. I was taught that when in public I was not to make a spectacle of myself, no loud talking, no pushing no shoving, wait my turn, no talking with food in my mouth, to be aware of my surrounding and to make way for someone walking briskly down the sidewalk when I'm just sauntering, to step aside and let those passing to pass and not expect them to walk around you, to walk briskly through a crosswalk and not dawdle and hold up traffic, to move my shopping cart out of the middle of the aisle so that others can pass, to speak softly in restaurants so as not to disturb other diners, to get up from the table to blow my nose in the restroom and not use the dinner napkin, to get up from the table to take an important call and to let the unimportant ones go unanswered, to hold elevator doors and other doors for others, to not write a check at a grocery checkout (GODDAMNIT ITS THE 21st FUCKIN' CENTURY!)... It really seems people go out of their way to be annoying. Or maybe I was just raised in a more rural atmposhere and now live in the city.

    Do you know how fucking exhausting it is to be the only one in a 500 mile radius of oneself to be aware and considerate of others. I'm not depressed; I'm just fed up. I need a wilderness vacation! LOL!

    Isn't any wonder modern man would rather be restrict his exposure to other through text messaging, Skype, and internet porn. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

    Clinical depression is a whole different monster.
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    May 10, 2013 6:59 PM GMT
    Here's the twist... The guy who made that speech committed suicide in 2008. Look him up on Wikipedia. David Foster Wallace.
  • MikeW

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    May 10, 2013 7:01 PM GMT
    pazzy saidthat's the problem. dude wanted to enjoy a normal life like everybody else but he was screwed because of his condition. can't blame him for coming off his meds. having to be on that daily is annoying as hell with the side effects that could make the condition even worse.

    Well, this is a serious topic. I know both from my own experiences and also my best gay friend ever who suicided in part as a result of having gone off his meds. So we might best talk about this in private. For myself, I didn't want to take meds and didn't until after my first partner died of a brain tumor. After that I was pretty fucked up and went to a shrink who put me on meds. I hatted the side effects but stuck with them for six months before I gave up on that strategy. However, I didn't give up on myself. I found ways to cope that worked for me. Hopefully you will too.
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    May 10, 2013 7:11 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidDo you know how fucking exhausting it is to be the only one in a 500 mile radius of oneself to be aware and considerate of others. I'm not depressed; I'm just fed up. I need a wilderness vacation! LOL!

    Yeah, actually I sort of do. I was brought up pretty much the way you were and, living in a populated area, I have to deal with clueless people all the time. I can't tell you how often, for example, people just walk right into me when I'm walking down the sidewalk. I swear to god, you'd think I was invisible. I've had it happen to me three times in the space of two city blocks. It's unbelievable how 'unaware' people can be and of course it (and many other things) is annoying as fuck.

    However, the reality is I can't control other people. I do well to control myself. I think the point being made by the video isn't that we have to be 'aware' all the time. I doubt that is even possible unless one is damn near 'enlightened'. Rather that we can be 'aware' some of the time. And it isn't about making up stories for why people are the way they are so much as choosing to look at our circumcises differently when we have a little 'inner freedom' to do so. It's an option some of the time. It can also become a 'practice', something we remember to try sometimes. At least then we see that we don't always have to be victims of our circumstances. Often, obviously, we are.

    Isn't any wonder modern man would rather be restrict his exposure to other through text messaging, Skype, and internet porn.

    No wonder, but again its a choice. We're here on RJ and that tells us something about ourselves. I'm here a lot but I'm not here *all* the time. In fact, I'm heading for the gym any minute now ;)
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    May 10, 2013 7:12 PM GMT
    aidenMaximus saidHere's the twist... The guy who made that speech committed suicide in 2008. Look him up on Wikipedia. David Foster Wallace.

    Didn't read any of the other replies, did ya? icon_confused.gif
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    May 10, 2013 7:17 PM GMT
    Nice video....thought provoking.

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    May 10, 2013 7:18 PM GMT
    MikeW said
    UndercoverMan saidDo you know how fucking exhausting it is to be the only one in a 500 mile radius of oneself to be aware and considerate of others. I'm not depressed; I'm just fed up. I need a wilderness vacation! LOL!



    Isn't any wonder modern man would rather be restrict his exposure to other through text messaging, Skype, and internet porn.

    No wonder, but again its a choice. We're here on RJ and that tells us something about ourselves. I'm here a lot but I'm not here *all* the time. In fact, I'm heading for the gym any minute now ;)


    Yes! Thanks for the gym! At least I can workout my frustrations there and it's never very crowded!
  • Pyre85

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    May 11, 2013 12:05 AM GMT
    God. The man has a way with words, I'll give him that icon_smile.gif
  • jeepguySD

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    May 11, 2013 12:17 AM GMT
    Truly outstanding! Thank you for posting.