Cyclical Keto Diet

  • Saurion

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    May 13, 2013 12:55 AM GMT
    *Moved from All Things Gay category*

    I've had a theory for several months about cutting calories so that my body would catabolize fat stores, to help me lose weight while bulking up. People on forums called me a retard, and I abandoned the idea.

    However, while on Jamie Lewis' blog, Chaos and Pain, I found his spiel on ketogenic dieting ,which involves the same principle, but with carbs instead. He then discussed two forms of cutting/bulking, or cutting/maintaining versions: Cyclical Keto, and Targeted Keto. I'm trying cyclical keto.

    For anyone who doesn't know, you basically consume a lot of protein, and moderate amount of fat, and incidental carbs (from protein source foods, thats what I call them) only--virtually none. With a "disciplined cheat" on Tuesdays and Thursdays for carb-up (3-hour window after training session).

    The diet, for most days is:

    8 oz. Chicken for lunch (52g protein)

    Other form of meat, 9 eggs (54g from eggs, ? from other meat source)

    Protein Powder (104g protein), possibly Glutamine

    about 200g protein, and incidental protein from almonds, peanut butter, etc.

    A new BJs opened by my house, they're prices are incredible!!!!! Great place to shop for guys trying to get on the swole train (terrible pun...)

    The hope is this will keep up my recovery, so I can pound out heavier weights.

    My strength goals for this summer are:

    Deadlift - 500
    Squat - 405
    CGBP - 300
    OHP Seated - 225
    Push Press - Higher than 225
    Bent-Over Rows - 315 for reps
    Dips - 20, triceps version, at Bodyweight

    The hope is to get to no more than 12% bodyfat.

    I actually have 16" arms, but they look smaller than that, cuz I'm fucking fat. It needs to stop. I can't spend all of next spring in a hoodie while school's in session...

    I also wanna compete in an RU strongman event.

    Hopefully I'll get all sexified, so I can start confidently chasing big broad butts that abound at RU. ;)

    Apparently, processed carbs have an effect on acne, so maybe my face will become tolerable.
  • gwuinsf

    Posts: 525

    May 13, 2013 4:00 PM GMT
    I've been reading a lot about CKD in the past few weeks. I just started it myself a few weeks ago and I'm going to do my first carb-up next week. There's a ton of information on bodybuilding.com about Keto Diets. If you have a few hours, read this thread in its entirety. It will teach you everything you need to know about CKD and TKD.

    According to the threads on bb.com, you actually have your macros incorrect. Keto Diet should be 65% fat, 30% protein, and 5% carbs. Too much protein will actually kick you out of ketosis as the protein is converted to glycogen. Your goal is to get into ketosis where you're using fat as your primary energy source.

    Here's a great calculator for figuring out your calories and Macros.
  • Saurion

    Posts: 29

    May 13, 2013 6:49 PM GMT
    gwuinsf saidI've been reading a lot about CKD in the past few weeks. I just started it myself a few weeks ago and I'm going to do my first carb-up next week. There's a ton of information on bodybuilding.com about Keto Diets. If you have a few hours, read this thread in its entirety. It will teach you everything you need to know about CKD and TKD.

    According to the threads on bb.com, you actually have your macros incorrect. Keto Diet should be 65% fat, 30% protein, and 5% carbs. Too much protein will actually kick you out of ketosis as the protein is converted to glycogen. Your goal is to get into ketosis where you're using fat as your primary energy source.

    Here's a great calculator for figuring out your calories and Macros.


    Yeah, Ive heard about the high-fat aspect. Im following what some guys at my gym, a buddy of mine, and dave palumbo do.

    The frequency, volume and intensity of the generap way I train requires a high-protein intake. At about 1-1.25 g/day of lean body mass, it's adequate for my purposes. Naturally, if it's not working, I would try the way you're describing. But Id rather take the advice of huge guys doing this for 20+ years then people on bb.com, they tend to give disyurbingly bad advice.

    Im not saying this as any kind of affront to you, I'd just rather try this under their guidance first.
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    May 13, 2013 7:16 PM GMT
    /facepalm.
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    May 13, 2013 7:40 PM GMT
    bluey2223 said/facepalm.


    Lol, bluey apparently thinks the only folks who should be able to talk about nutrition are registered dietitians. Not that they don't know a lot, but they generally only learn/talk about the "conventional wisdom," which is often right but sometimes wrong, and doesn't always acknowledge issues that are newly and legimately in dispute in the scientific community.

    Anyway, look to Lyle McDonald's site/books for information on cyclical ketogenic diets.
  • gwuinsf

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    May 13, 2013 8:03 PM GMT
    Saurion said
    gwuinsf saidI've been reading a lot about CKD in the past few weeks. I just started it myself a few weeks ago and I'm going to do my first carb-up next week. There's a ton of information on bodybuilding.com about Keto Diets. If you have a few hours, read this thread in its entirety. It will teach you everything you need to know about CKD and TKD.

    According to the threads on bb.com, you actually have your macros incorrect. Keto Diet should be 65% fat, 30% protein, and 5% carbs. Too much protein will actually kick you out of ketosis as the protein is converted to glycogen. Your goal is to get into ketosis where you're using fat as your primary energy source.

    Here's a great calculator for figuring out your calories and Macros.


    Yeah, Ive heard about the high-fat aspect. Im following what some guys at my gym, a buddy of mine, and dave palumbo do.

    The frequency, volume and intensity of the generap way I train requires a high-protein intake. At about 1-1.25 g/day of lean body mass, it's adequate for my purposes. Naturally, if it's not working, I would try the way you're describing. But Id rather take the advice of huge guys doing this for 20+ years then people on bb.com, they tend to give disyurbingly bad advice.

    Im not saying this as any kind of affront to you, I'd just rather try this under their guidance first.


    Go for it dude. Look forward to hearing how it goes. I think the critical component is keeping carbs down as low as possible.
  • gwuinsf

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    May 13, 2013 8:50 PM GMT
    You probably already know this but go out and get yourself some Ketostix so you know when you're in Ketosis. It's interesting to see how long it takes you to get into ketosis when you get knocked out and how amounts of food will and won't knock you out.

    I went to a fundraiser two weeks ago that was a dessert fest. I knew I was going to get knocked out of ketosis, but it three days to get back into ketosis.
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    May 14, 2013 3:35 AM GMT
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    bluey2223 said/facepalm.


    Lol, bluey apparently thinks the only folks who should be able to talk about nutrition are registered dietitians. Not that they don't know a lot, but they generally only learn/talk about the "conventional wisdom," which is often right but sometimes wrong, and doesn't always acknowledge issues that are newly and legimately in dispute in the scientific community.

    Anyway, look to Lyle McDonald's site/books for information on cyclical ketogenic diets.


    No, I don't. I just think yall are idiots. Why does everything have to be a fucking cycle? LOL

    RDs/RDNs don't always give right answers because you are probably asking one that doesn't specialize in deconstructing fadist diets and objectively listing the pros and cons. You wouldn't ask a pediatrician MD to do open heart surgery unless they specialized in it. Same goes for RDs/RDNs. Don't ask a school foodservice administrator dietitian to tell you why the paleo diet is fucking dumb.