US Marines pack up in Afghanistan as Taliban wages spring offensive

  • metta

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    May 13, 2013 1:52 AM GMT
    US Marines pack up in Afghanistan as Taliban wages spring offensive

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/12/18152503-us-marines-pack-up-in-afghanistan-as-taliban-wages-spring-offensive
  • HottJoe

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    May 13, 2013 1:55 AM GMT
    Even Vietnam worked out better than this.icon_confused.gif
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    May 13, 2013 1:55 AM GMT
    Get the troops home and I will go back to not caring at all what those third world nut jobs do to one another.
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    May 13, 2013 6:32 AM GMT
    smartmoney saidGet the troops home and I will go back to not caring at all what those third world nut jobs do to one another.


    Right because you will just get on your knees and use your mouth to bring some comfort for the troops.

    Give me a break, the army was there for a reason, catch Osama Bin Laden and get revenge for the 9/11 bombings and it was a mission accomplished.

    They did their job and that's why they are coming home. They didn't really fail at anything.
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    May 13, 2013 10:39 AM GMT
    My niece went back to Afghanistan for her second deployment around St. Patrick's Day. Her unit was one of the last in Iraq, and it was stationed there to tie up loose ends and prepare for U.S. troop withdrawl from that country. She assumes that it is going to be similar in Afghanistan, and we trust she will return to us safe and sound sometime before the end of 2014.
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    May 13, 2013 12:40 PM GMT
    green_eyed_stud said
    smartmoney saidGet the troops home and I will go back to not caring at all what those third world nut jobs do to one another.


    Right because you will just get on your knees and use your mouth to bring some comfort for the troops.

    Give me a break, the army was there for a reason, catch Osama Bin Laden and get revenge for the 9/11 bombings and it was a mission accomplished.

    They did their job and that's why they are coming home. They didn't really fail at anything.

    Sounds like someone is projecting. For the record little girly man, I have never had oral pleasure from a member of our military and I am probably the past person who would be into sucking off a Marine, just not my sort of scene.
    Again, you go to any Marine base and offer your mouth for a welcome home gift. I will just enjoy the fact that our current president has ended the useless wars started by the worst president in American history.
  • FitGwynedd

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    May 13, 2013 12:44 PM GMT
    green_eyed_stud said
    smartmoney saidGet the troops home and I will go back to not caring at all what those third world nut jobs do to one another.


    Right because you will just get on your knees and use your mouth to bring some comfort for the troops.

    Give me a break, the army was there for a reason, catch Osama Bin Laden and get revenge for the 9/11 bombings and it was a mission accomplished.

    They did their job and that's why they are coming home. They didn't really fail at anything.


    +1
  • ATLANTIS7

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    May 13, 2013 4:00 PM GMT
    Total waste of lives and money the russians were there 19 years and moved out and nothing changed and never will?

  • Montague

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    May 13, 2013 4:15 PM GMT
    BodrumBoy saidTotal waste of lives and money the russians were there 19 years and moved out and nothing changed and never will?



    There is a way to make things change...it just wouldn't look so good on a world stage if you catch my drift.
  • 1blind_dog

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    May 13, 2013 4:34 PM GMT
    green_eyed_stud said
    smartmoney saidGet the troops home and I will go back to not caring at all what those third world nut jobs do to one another.


    Right because you will just get on your knees and use your mouth to bring some comfort for the troops.

    Give me a break, the army was there for a reason, catch Osama Bin Laden and get revenge for the 9/11 bombings and it was a mission accomplished.

    They did their job and that's why they are coming home. They didn't really fail at anything.


    Unfortunately that's not how a lot of soldiers or their superiors see it. Yes, there were accomplishments but the overall purpose for being there was not fulfilled. They definitely tried though.
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    May 13, 2013 4:55 PM GMT
    Eh.

    Our government will find another two-bit hell hole conflict to get our troops involved with. Can you say Syria?

    Too much of our economy is tied up in the war machine. Too many in Washington are beholden to defense contractors for big campaign contributions.

    Too much of the rest of the world not pulling its own weight in regional conflicts and relying on US citizens to bear the brunt of the cost in dollars and lives.

    We are the world's babysitter.

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    May 13, 2013 5:07 PM GMT
    America should quit funding muslim nation like egypt ,pakistan, algeria,somalia , bangladesh & afghanistan , just imagine how much money u'd save , when there are 4 million BPL people in your nation & millions jobless , this will save US , 200 billion anually , &
    in turn these mothafuckers behead your citizens & burn your flags daily, what do u get from it ?
    save your future say no to islam nations rightaway .
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    May 13, 2013 5:22 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidGet the troops home and I will go back to not caring at all what those third world nut jobs do to one another.


    Are you saying that you don't give a damn about what Taliban does to women in Afghanistan? Does being born there make everyone a "nut job"? I am glad that you are not in the army, I guess that nut job, Robert Bales, had the same mentality as yours.

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    May 13, 2013 5:24 PM GMT
    The Taliban have a spring offensive every year. It's time for us to leave.
  • HottJoe

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    May 13, 2013 5:33 PM GMT
    That Time cover is horrific. I honestly think women would do a better job running the world. The lack of respect by the Taliban deserves to be reviled like the Nazis.
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    May 13, 2013 5:53 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThat Time cover is horrific. I honestly think women would do a better job running the world. The lack of respect by the Taliban deserves to be relived like the Nazis.


    Relieved? Reviled?

    Are you getting at what Montague was hinting at above? Annihilation? I'm afraid modern man hasn't the stomach for it because along with the annihilation of the Taliban and other such groups untold collateral damage and death to innocent civilians would occur. Because the cowards hind behind the skirts of women and children. Then the families that lost members to any Western offensive against these devils then demonize Westerners and generate another generation of terrorists and the cycle continues.

    I'm with smartmoney, leave the barbarians to themselves. I'm sorry for the girl missing her nose, but until her own father/mother, brothers/sisters, uncles/aunts, cousins, etc. stand up to these monsters themselves I'm not willing to spend another penny or sacrifice another American life for her nose. Sorry if that's a bit harsh.

    The sad thing is is that its usually one of her own family that's willing to lop off her nose.
  • HottJoe

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    May 13, 2013 5:55 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    HottJoe saidThat Time cover is horrific. I honestly think women would do a better job running the world. The lack of respect by the Taliban deserves to be relived like the Nazis.


    Relieved? Reviled?

    Are you getting at what Montague was hinting at above? Annihilation? I'm afraid modern man hasn't the stomach for it because along with the annihilation of the Taliban and other such groups untold collateral damage and death to innocent civilians would occur. Because the cowards hind behind the skirts of women and children. Then the families that lost members to any Western offensive against these devils then demonize Westerners and generate another generation of terrorists and the cycle continues.

    I'm with smartmoney, leave the barbarians to themselves. I'm sorry for the girl missing her nose, but until her own father/mother, brothers/sisters, uncles/aunts, cousins, etc. stand up to these monsters themselves I'm not willing to spend another penny or sacrifice another American life for her nose. Sorry if that's a bit harsh.

    The sad thing is is that its usually one of her own family that's willing to lop off her nose.


    Whoops! I meant reviled.
  • O5vx

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    May 13, 2013 5:56 PM GMT
    I think the real question is wether we can impose our ideology on a society that deeply believe in maintaining a barbaric lifestyle.

    What is interesting is that in almost every country that the United State and its allies have colonized, the indigenous citizen of those country has had little to no say in wether or not they want us there. I think the main reason we are continue to see many of these countries adopting democratic style of leadership is not so much as the fact that we have enable them to, but because the people have been adamant about wanting a future where their country can develop economically. I don't think the incentive is politically motivated, but rather economic stagnation for years. Now, we have to be willing to answer the question from an objective point of view rather than subjectively. If we are to do that, I think we will be more shocked to realize that we have played little to no role in self-determination of these people. In fact, we have stall progress rather than foster one.
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    May 13, 2013 6:48 PM GMT
    We need to reach a level maturity where we can say, "It's not our problem ". We need to get out of a state of super egotism where we believe we are the Angels of God doing His will. Obama has pretty much said this on several
    occasions and the problem is the enemy thinks the same thing.
  • coolarmydude

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    May 13, 2013 10:23 PM GMT
    I was there twice. Ain't nothing going to change. You can bring a horse to the river, but you can't make him drink.
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    May 13, 2013 10:32 PM GMT
    I really hope we don't rush into another conflict. Somehow I suspect Syria soon. Or perhaps we will work together with Israel to build enough enough justification for going after Iran.
  • HottJoe

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    May 13, 2013 10:38 PM GMT
    ATC84 saidI really hope we don't rush into another conflict. Somehow I suspect Syria soon. Or perhaps we will work together with Israel to build enough enough justification for going after Iran.


    That sounds nightmarish.icon_eek.gif
  • Lincsbear

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    May 13, 2013 11:50 PM GMT
    Sadly, the western interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq are failures for a number of reasons, including a failure to truly understand the enemy(and thus develop a strategy of victory), and win the hearts and minds of the ordinary people(who weren`t asked their opinions on anything!) Going in with overwhelming brute force rarely wins them, though it can suppress resistance/buy it off for a while.

    The military have done their duty, to the best of their ability, with the resources given them by politicians. No body could ask more of them. But both operations were rushed and under resourced in the highly charged atmosphere post 9/11.

    British, Afghan, and American history should have warned the west of the peril in any wars. The possession of technologically superior weaponry is no guarantee of victory, as Vietnam proved.
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    May 14, 2013 1:03 AM GMT
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    HottJoe saidThat Time cover is horrific. I honestly think women would do a better job running the world. The lack of respect by the Taliban deserves to be relived like the Nazis.


    Relieved? Reviled?

    Are you getting at what Montague was hinting at above? Annihilation? I'm afraid modern man hasn't the stomach for it because along with the annihilation of the Taliban and other such groups untold collateral damage and death to innocent civilians would occur. Because the cowards hind behind the skirts of women and children. Then the families that lost members to any Western offensive against these devils then demonize Westerners and generate another generation of terrorists and the cycle continues.

    I'm with smartmoney, leave the barbarians to themselves. I'm sorry for the girl missing her nose, but until her own father/mother, brothers/sisters, uncles/aunts, cousins, etc. stand up to these monsters themselves I'm not willing to spend another penny or sacrifice another American life for her nose. Sorry if that's a bit harsh.

    The sad thing is is that its usually one of her own family that's willing to lop off her nose.


    How would you feel if your father would cut your arm for posting a shirtless picture online and there was a militia out there to kill you for being gay and someone from New York would say "Oh, we should leave Louisiana people to themselves. I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna spend a penny to save this guy"?

    No, it's not different man, it's the same story. Ever heard of the United Nations? You and Rand Paul like it or not, it has a legal meaning.

    People are not born "barbarian" and people don't get to choose their place of birth or families. A life is a life, that girl feels the pain just like you would. And she is alive because some American heroes saved her. Because unlike you, they cared about her regardless of her nationality.

    If people like you were in charge during the world war Nazi's could be still in power in Europe.

    I am not defending the way that the war in Afghanistan has been managed. I am criticizing the mentality of ignorance.
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    May 14, 2013 1:48 AM GMT

    The Russians invaded on Christmas Day in 1979 and they left in February of 1989. The principal differences between ourselves and the Russians are very big:


    1) After Egypt jumped from the Soviet to the Western camp in the mid 1970's, the USSR could ill-afford to see another Middle Eastern ally defect to NATO.

    Under the guise of a "Treaty of Friendship" with the ruling People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (the communist party), the Russians launched an invasion to topple the Khalqist wing which had recently taken power from the more favorable Parchamites. The Khalqists had sought to distance Afghanistan from Soviet influence, which greatly alarmed Leonid Brezhnev (the Brezhnev Doctrine stated that the USSR claimed the right to interfere with any nation who attempted to abandon socialism or communism in favor of capitalism- it was his rationale for invading the Czech Republic in 196icon_cool.gif. The Russians then proceeded to slaughter over 1 million Afghans and displace another 5 million in order to pacify the country- we all know how that ended.

    2) They attempted to take over the country in order to creep closer to the Persian Gulf, as it was vital to our economy.

    The Russians had for the past hundred years or more attempted to gain control of Iran. The only thing that kept them from doing so during the early years of the Cold War was Harry Truman's threat to use nuclear weapons during the late 1940's. Soviet agents had long been active in Tehran, and during the Revolution in 1979, the Soviets sought to press their luck. Contrary to popular opinion, the Iranian Revolution was not largely Islamist driven. While they certainly played a significant role, it was a general uprising of the entire population (the communist Tudeh Party, socialists, conservatives, and Islamists). The Soviets desired Iran due to the fact that if they controlled it, they effectively controlled the Strait of Hormuz and in turn access to the Persian Gulf. The Soviets attempted to empower the Tudeh party in order for them to dominate the post revolution government. The Iraqi invasion in September of 1980 ultimately scuttled their plans, as it brought the Islamists to power. The Soviets attempted to expand their influence on both fronts, through manipulating the Tudeh party in Iran and invading Afghanistan. Ultimately, this dual effort failed.

    3) We invaded Afghanistan due to the Taliban's refusal to hand over Osama bin Laden and others behind 9/11. It was not what we wanted, but it was something we had to do. We had to stay in Afghanistan due to the fact that the power vaccum created through the fall of the Taliban needed to be replaced by a legitimate government, or else some similar organization would have taken power as soon as we left. The current situation in Afghanistan is by no means ideal, but we are winning and so are the more democratically minded Afghans.