Why we ignore the fact gun crime has been decreasing (despite greater gun ownership)

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    May 13, 2013 3:05 PM GMT
    Pretty astounding statistics...

    http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-control

    According to a recent Rasmussen poll, 64 percent of Americans who favor stricter gun control laws in the United States also have the misperception that gun crime has gone up in the past 20 years. A plurality (43 percent) of those who oppose stricter gun control say gun crime has decreased.

    Interestingly, 54 percent of Democrats think gun crime has increased in the US over the past 20 years, compared to 29 percent of Republicans and 25 percent of Independents.

    Recent reports from the Bureau of Justice Statistics and the Pew Research Center shows gun crime has significantly declined since the 1990s. NPR writes:

    "Firearm-related homicides dropped from 18,253 homicides in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011," according to a report by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, "and nonfatal firearm crimes dropped from 1.5 million victimizations in 1993 to 467,300 in 2011.

    There were seven gun homicides per 100,000 people in 1993, the Pew Research Center study says, which dropped to 3.6 gun deaths in 2010. The study relied in part on data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    "Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49 percent lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation's population grew," according to the Pew study. "The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75 percent lower in 2011 than in 1993."
  • HottJoe

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    May 13, 2013 5:28 PM GMT
    The types of crimes and coverage have gotten more dramatic, also the guns themselves are more advanced and conducive to mass killings.
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    May 13, 2013 6:10 PM GMT
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    There were seven gun homicides per 100,000 people in 1993, the Pew Research Center study says, which dropped to 3.6 gun deaths in 2010.


    Confusing terminology: 'gun homicides' and 'gun deaths'.

    There were actually 10.2 'gun deaths' per 100,000 people in the US in 2010. To put that into perspective, the same figure for England & Wales was just 0.25. That is pretty astounding.

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    May 13, 2013 7:40 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said

    There were seven gun homicides per 100,000 people in 1993, the Pew Research Center study says, which dropped to 3.6 gun deaths in 2010.


    Confusing terminology: 'gun homicides' and 'gun deaths'.

    There were actually 10.2 'gun deaths' per 100,000 people in the US in 2010. To put that into perspective, the same figure for England & Wales was just 0.25. That is pretty astounding.



    There are different issues culturally too - as you can compare the same statistics to say Switzerland. Gun ownership doesn't correlate well to gun violence which is counterintuitive.
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    May 13, 2013 7:44 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    riddler78 said

    There were seven gun homicides per 100,000 people in 1993, the Pew Research Center study says, which dropped to 3.6 gun deaths in 2010.


    Confusing terminology: 'gun homicides' and 'gun deaths'.

    There were actually 10.2 'gun deaths' per 100,000 people in the US in 2010. To put that into perspective, the same figure for England & Wales was just 0.25. That is pretty astounding.



    There are different issues culturally too - as you can compare the same statistics to say Switzerland. Gun ownership doesn't correlate well to gun violence which is counterintuitive.


    It correlates with a fivefold increase in suicide among middle aged men.
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    May 13, 2013 7:46 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    riddler78 said

    There were seven gun homicides per 100,000 people in 1993, the Pew Research Center study says, which dropped to 3.6 gun deaths in 2010.


    Confusing terminology: 'gun homicides' and 'gun deaths'.

    There were actually 10.2 'gun deaths' per 100,000 people in the US in 2010. To put that into perspective, the same figure for England & Wales was just 0.25. That is pretty astounding.



    There are different issues culturally too - as you can compare the same statistics to say Switzerland. Gun ownership doesn't correlate well to gun violence which is counterintuitive.


    It correlates with a fivefold increase in suicide among middle aged men.


    So you're making the argument that having a gun means you're more likely to commit suicide? 5x more likely independent of culture?
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    May 13, 2013 10:11 PM GMT
    None of this matters. Unless someone thinks of a way to make guns "cool" to the left, guns will continue to be detested.
  • coolarmydude

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    May 13, 2013 10:17 PM GMT
    I'd like to point out that some factors are missing from this information, such as the vibrant economy in the mid to late 90s and the presence of an assault weapons ban from '94 until 2004.

    I'd like to see the individual annual statistics and note the change, whether upwards or downward, that reflects a trend from year to year.
  • HottJoe

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    May 13, 2013 10:25 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    riddler78 said

    There were seven gun homicides per 100,000 people in 1993, the Pew Research Center study says, which dropped to 3.6 gun deaths in 2010.


    Confusing terminology: 'gun homicides' and 'gun deaths'.

    There were actually 10.2 'gun deaths' per 100,000 people in the US in 2010. To put that into perspective, the same figure for England & Wales was just 0.25. That is pretty astounding.



    There are different issues culturally too - as you can compare the same statistics to say Switzerland. Gun ownership doesn't correlate well to gun violence which is counterintuitive.


    It correlates with a fivefold increase in suicide among middle aged men.


    So you're making the argument that having a gun means you're more likely to commit suicide? 5x more likely independent of culture?


    Yes. People with suicidal thoughts are more 5xs more likely to commit suicide if they have a gun, according to a recent CDC report on suicide. It's unrelated to gun laws, it's related to gun owners v. non-gun owners.
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    May 13, 2013 10:29 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    riddler78 said

    There were seven gun homicides per 100,000 people in 1993, the Pew Research Center study says, which dropped to 3.6 gun deaths in 2010.


    Confusing terminology: 'gun homicides' and 'gun deaths'.

    There were actually 10.2 'gun deaths' per 100,000 people in the US in 2010. To put that into perspective, the same figure for England & Wales was just 0.25. That is pretty astounding.



    There are different issues culturally too - as you can compare the same statistics to say Switzerland. Gun ownership doesn't correlate well to gun violence which is counterintuitive.


    It correlates with a fivefold increase in suicide among middle aged men.


    So you're making the argument that having a gun means you're more likely to commit suicide? 5x more likely independent of culture?


    Yes. People with suicidal thoughts are more 5xs more likely to commit suicide if they have a gun, according to a recent CDC report on suicide. It's unrelated to gun laws, it's related to gun owners v. non-gun owners.


    Link? Is this consistent across countries?

    How do you control for whether or not someone tries to commit suicide regardless (ie through other means)?
  • HottJoe

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    May 13, 2013 10:29 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidNone of this matters. Unless someone thinks of a way to make guns "cool" to the left, guns will continue to be detested.


    Try painting them different colors, like pink for girls, and make the bullets with designs on them!!! The caps should be recyclable. Then everyone will want one, and we can just start shooting each other.icon_wink.gif
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    May 13, 2013 10:53 PM GMT
    Why we ignore the fact gun crime has been decreasing (despite greater gun ownership)

    Oh, do they ignore this fact in Canada, too? But you only quoted alleged US material. What do your own Canadian facts say, about your own gun crime?
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    May 14, 2013 12:11 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidWhy we ignore the fact gun crime has been decreasing (despite greater gun ownership)

    Oh, do they ignore this fact in Canada, too? But you only quoted alleged US material. What do your own Canadian facts say, about your own gun crime?


    If you so interested in Canada go up there. Stop trying to pick fights with people here. Old foooooooooool.
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    May 14, 2013 2:27 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidWhy we ignore the fact gun crime has been decreasing (despite greater gun ownership)

    Oh, do they ignore this fact in Canada, too? But you only quoted alleged US material. What do your own Canadian facts say, about your own gun crime?


    Yep they do. There was a disastrous registry that was only supposed to cost a few million that ended up costing over a billion which has kind of turned people off to the idea. That said, I suspect if you asked the average Canadian if they believed gun violence was on the rise or decline in the US, they'd tell you it was on the rise.
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    May 14, 2013 4:15 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Blakes7 saidNone of this matters. Unless someone thinks of a way to make guns "cool" to the left, guns will continue to be detested.


    Try painting them different colors, like pink for girls, and make the bullets with designs on them!!! The caps should be recyclable. Then everyone will want one, and we can just start shooting each other.icon_wink.gif


    Already have tried that and siblings of those little kids with those guns end up dead.
  • GQjock

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    May 14, 2013 11:29 AM GMT
    I think you might wanna check those numbers again my clueless friend

    If you check WHERE those reductions have occurred it was more in the States where there was MORE regulation rather than less

    ie: Missouri
    Where they had rolled back gun regulation ... Praise Jay-sus icon_rolleyes.gif
    There has been an uptick in the number of murders