Obamacare forces eateries to slow expansion; Update: IRS faces class action lawsuit over theft of 60 million medical records

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    May 13, 2013 3:44 PM GMT
    Just wait until it starts getting implemented...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/on-small-business/health-insurance-tax-scares-the-daylights-out-of-some-small-business-owners/2013/05/12/40bf58fe-b8ca-11e2-92f3-f291801936b8_story.html
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    May 13, 2013 3:50 PM GMT
    If only they had slave labor, they could make even moar money!!!icon_surprised.gif
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    May 13, 2013 3:53 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even moar money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    I think you're confusing small businesses with governments.
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    May 13, 2013 3:57 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even moar money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    I think you're confusing small businesses with governments.


    The government employs hookers, not slaves.
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    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even more money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    You sure post a lot, but you don't think much about what you're posting before you post, do you? If you thought just a little about what you're posting, you might post a little less and look less like the moron you are.

    "If only they had slave labor, they could make even more money!!!" You don't know much about small businesses do ya?
    If you did you would know that most of us have everything we have tied up in our businesses.
    You would know that before we can ever go to a bank for a loan, we go hat in hand begging for loans and gifts from family and friends and often we aren't able to go to a bank for a loan until our business acquires substantial physical assets.
    You would know that often when we start our businesses we start them on a shoestring budget and there is no money for extras like double ply toilet paper let alone the owners BMW payments.
    You would know that when we start a business we are already operating in the red before we open our doors.
    You would know that payroll and employee benefits are one of those expenses we have to account for before we can take any money out of our business for ourselves and our families.
    You would know that often it's months or years before a business makes enough profit for us to take any money out of the business and often we have to work at other jobs or have other family members support our families until our business makes a profit.
    You would know that in the beginning, and even when the business is successful that we, as owners, often have to float our businesses on our personal credit cards or personal lines of credit.
    You would know that as owners we often have to take out second and third mortgages on our houses to start a business and keep our doors open.
    You would know that often we drive cars older than most of the people we employee.
    You would know that when times are rough, we and our families feel the bite of cutting back long before our employees do, if they ever do.

    You sure post a lot, but you don't think much. Do you?
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    May 13, 2013 4:54 PM GMT
    shybuffguy said
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even more money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    You sure post a lot, but you don't think much about what you're posting before you post, do you? If you thought just a little about what you're posting, you might post a little less and look less like the moron you are.

    "If only they had slave labor, they could make even more money!!!" You don't know much about small businesses do ya?
    If you did you would know that most of us have everything we have tied up in our businesses.
    You would know that before we can ever go to a bank for a loan, we go hat in hand begging for loans and gifts from family and friends and often we aren't able to go to a bank for a loan until our business acquires substantial physical assets.
    You would know that often when we start our businesses we start them on a shoestring budget and there is no money for extras like double ply toilet paper let alone the owners BMW payments.
    You would know that when we start a business we are already operating in the red before we open our doors.
    You would know that payroll and employee benefits are one of those expenses we have to account for before we can take any money out of our business for ourselves and our families.
    You would know that often it's months or years before a business makes enough profit for us to take any money out of the business and often we have to work at other jobs or have other family members support our families until our business makes a profit.
    You would know that in the beginning, and even when the business is successful that we, as owners, often have to float our businesses on our personal credit cards or personal lines of credit.
    You would know that as owners we often have to take out second and third mortgages on our houses to start a business and keep our doors open.
    You would know that often we drive cars older than most of the people we employee.
    You would know that when times are rough, we and our families feel the bite of cutting back long before our employees do, if they ever do.

    You sure post a lot, but you don't think much. Do you?


    I'm sure you'll correct if I'm wrong, but I thought that it was only required if you have at least a hundred employees. If that many people depend on you, at what point do you need to think of their welfare, in addition to making a profit? This won't effect poor entrepreneurs who are toiling away with no money.
  • HottJoe

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    May 13, 2013 5:05 PM GMT
    Btw, Shybuffguy, in the wake of the biggest industrial accident in our global history I think it's fair to say the health of your employees shouldn't be something you have an idealogical stake against. It makes you look like you don't think before you crack that whip.icon_wink.gif
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    May 13, 2013 5:32 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even moar money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    I think you're confusing small businesses with governments.


    The government employs hookers, not slaves.


    The U.S. government prefers to make slaves out of producers. Lol. And what a grand wreck Obamacare shall be.
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    May 13, 2013 5:42 PM GMT
    conservativejock said
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even moar money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    I think you're confusing small businesses with governments.


    The government employs hookers, not slaves.


    The U.S. government prefers to make slaves out of producers. Lol. And what a grand wreck Obamacare shall be.


    If you call paying for your hundred + employees to have decent wages and healthcare, then yes, that's slavery. icon_rolleyes.gif

    In reality America is the land of opportunity, and if you're producing something people want, you can prosper. We just have to have laws to keep people decent and civilized and all.
  • HottJoe

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    May 13, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    I guess shybuffguy is out riding his horse, of course...

    *crickets
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    May 13, 2013 7:52 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    conservativejock said
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even moar money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    I think you're confusing small businesses with governments.


    The government employs hookers, not slaves.


    The U.S. government prefers to make slaves out of producers. Lol. And what a grand wreck Obamacare shall be.


    If you call paying for your hundred + employees to have decent wages and healthcare, then yes, that's slavery. icon_rolleyes.gif

    In reality America is the land of opportunity, and if you're producing something people want, you can prosper. We just have to have laws to keep people decent and civilized and all.


    And you think that this is all that Obamacare does? What do you suppose a company who has 99/49 employees will do if they are choosing whether or not to expand?

    And yes, there are laws to keep people decent and civilized but this isn't one of them. Implementation is already nightmarish and it's going to get worse.
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    May 13, 2013 8:01 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe said
    conservativejock said
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even moar money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    I think you're confusing small businesses with governments.


    The government employs hookers, not slaves.


    The U.S. government prefers to make slaves out of producers. Lol. And what a grand wreck Obamacare shall be.


    If you call paying for your hundred + employees to have decent wages and healthcare, then yes, that's slavery. icon_rolleyes.gif

    In reality America is the land of opportunity, and if you're producing something people want, you can prosper. We just have to have laws to keep people decent and civilized and all.


    And you think that this is all that Obamacare does? What do you suppose a company who has 99/49 employees will do if they are choosing whether or not to expand?

    And yes, there are laws to keep people decent and civilized but this isn't one of them. Implementation is already nightmarish and it's going to get worse.


    Clearly republicans have highjacked the word small. If a company employs large numbers of people then they have to step up with healthcare costs. You make it sound like the haves are victims and the have nots aren't human. DFL stands for the little people whose backs are broken. Quit trying to take the US back in time. You don't even live here!
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    May 13, 2013 8:09 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe said
    conservativejock said
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even moar money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    I think you're confusing small businesses with governments.


    The government employs hookers, not slaves.


    The U.S. government prefers to make slaves out of producers. Lol. And what a grand wreck Obamacare shall be.


    If you call paying for your hundred + employees to have decent wages and healthcare, then yes, that's slavery. icon_rolleyes.gif

    In reality America is the land of opportunity, and if you're producing something people want, you can prosper. We just have to have laws to keep people decent and civilized and all.


    And you think that this is all that Obamacare does? What do you suppose a company who has 99/49 employees will do if they are choosing whether or not to expand?

    And yes, there are laws to keep people decent and civilized but this isn't one of them. Implementation is already nightmarish and it's going to get worse.


    Clearly republicans have highjacked the word small. If a company employs large numbers of people then they have to step up with healthcare costs. You make it sound like the haves are victims and the have nots aren't human. DFL stands for the little people whose backs are broken. Quit trying to take the US back in time. You don't even live here!


    And you think that Obamacare represents progress? It's not unusual for restaurants to employ quite large number of people but not have correspondingly large revenues.

    You assume that companies will choose to continue to expand. But you haven't answered the question "What do you suppose a company who has 99/49 employees will do if they are choosing whether or not to expand?" The issue is what is happening at these margins and why unemployment is so anemic in the US.

    Taking the US back in time? Is unemployment preferable? As it turns out Obamacare is making the US even more expensive for healthcare - does that qualify as being "progress"?
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    I'm sure you'll correct if I'm wrong, but I thought that it was only required if you have at least a hundred employees. If that many people depend on you, at what point do you need to think of their welfare, in addition to making a profit? This won't effect poor entrepreneurs who are toiling away with no money.[/quote]

    I rest my case. You have no clue of what you are talking about. I'll correct you, because you are wrong.

    maybe you should find out what exactly a small business is. a small business is usually a privately owned corporation, partnership or sole proprietorship that employees 500 people or less.Did you get that? 500 people or less.

    Let me just [point something out to you Mr. Know It All. A business is not a charity. It's main function is to make a profit. If said business does not make a profit all anyone will be doing is thinking about the employees welfare because there will be no money to pay their wages and benefits.

    Now, I along with a business partner own a manufacturing plant (we make things) that runs two to three shifts and employees over 200 people. So as you can see I meet the threshold of over 100 employees and yet I am still a small business because I employ less than 500 people.

    I would say that I think quite a bit about the welfare of my employees, since They have full time employment and medical and dental insurance as well as other benefits. I would also point out that my employees wages and benefits insurance premiums are paid for before those of my own children since they re paid before I can even take a dime out of my business. I would also say that I must care a great deal about the welfare of my employees, since I offer them full time employment and health insurance instead of cutting their hours to part time. I also must care about my employees since I continue to fight an uphill battle against this government to keep my businesses doors open and my employees employed, sine I could close the doors to the business, sell off my
    bldg. , inventory and equipment and retire somewhere with less headache than keeping my business going.

    What would you know about "poor entrepreneurs" ? Do you ave any idea of how much it would cost to open a bindery? A cannery? A tool and die? I didn't think so. You have no clue of how fast a company can go from making millions in sales to bankruptcy, do you? You think that as owners we never have to put more money back into our businesses? Maybe you aren't aware, but many small business owners actually take home and live on less than many of their employees. And I'm sure you have no clue about how business owners are taxed.

    Let me point out to you again, the sole purpose of a business is to make a profit, other wise it would be called a charity and not a business. One other little nugget of truth that fools like you fail to get is that by serving my own interest, those of my family and my business I am also serving the interests of my employees who would be otherwise unemployed.
    It seems that those selfish, but informed business owners care more about our employees than all of the uninformed people with ideas such as yours do. After all, with me they have a job and benefits , what do you have to offer them?When I close the doors to my business because it's easier than fighting the up hill battle morons like you keep placing in front of people like me, are you going to hire them to work for you? I didn't think you could.

    Like I said, you sure do post a lot but you don't think so much.

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    HottJoe saidBtw, Shybuffguy, in the wake of the biggest industrial accident in our global history I think it's fair to say the health of your employees shouldn't be something you have an ideological stake against. It makes you look like you don't think before you crack that whip.icon_wink.gif


    Again you post way too much and think way too little!
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    May 13, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even moar money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    You jest, but only last week, Conservative adviser, Lord Yound (one of Margaret Thatcher's cronies), said that low-wage conditions in the current recession are a bonus for business.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/may/11/young-recession-cheap-labour
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    May 13, 2013 8:19 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe said
    conservativejock said
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even moar money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    I think you're confusing small businesses with governments.


    The government employs hookers, not slaves.


    The U.S. government prefers to make slaves out of producers. Lol. And what a grand wreck Obamacare shall be.


    If you call paying for your hundred + employees to have decent wages and healthcare, then yes, that's slavery. icon_rolleyes.gif

    In reality America is the land of opportunity, and if you're producing something people want, you can prosper. We just have to have laws to keep people decent and civilized and all.


    And you think that this is all that Obamacare does? What do you suppose a company who has 99/49 employees will do if they are choosing whether or not to expand?

    And yes, there are laws to keep people decent and civilized but this isn't one of them. Implementation is already nightmarish and it's going to get worse.


    Clearly republicans have highjacked the word small. If a company employs large numbers of people then they have to step up with healthcare costs. You make it sound like the haves are victims and the have nots aren't human. DFL stands for the little people whose backs are broken. Quit trying to take the US back in time. You don't even live here!


    And you think that Obamacare represents progress? It's not unusual for restaurants to employ quite large number of people but not have correspondingly large revenues.

    You assume that companies will choose to continue to expand. But you haven't answered the question "What do you suppose a company who has 99/49 employees will do if they are choosing whether or not to expand?" The issue is what is happening at these margins and why unemployment is so anemic in the US.

    Taking the US back in time? Is unemployment preferable? As it turns out Obamacare is making the US even more expensive for healthcare - does that qualify as being "progress"?


    The restaurant business is tough.... But you have to uphold high standards if you want to employ that many people and operate a chain. If you decide not to expand your business because you can't afford to, then the time isn't right for expansion. There is a lot of oversight in restaurants because without it people get sick and employees would get hurt. But I'm sure you would balk if higher standards on anything were proposed. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Btw, Obamacare has already lowered healthcare costs and cracked down on abuse of the system, i.e. rampant fraud. Soon most people will see it as a success. It's not going anywhere. Might as well stay focused on Benghazi.icon_lol.gif
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    HottJoe saidThe restaurant business is tough.... But you have to uphold high standards if you want to employ that many people and operate a chain. If you decide not to expand your business because you can't afford to, then the time isn't right for expansion. There is a lot of oversight in restaurants because without it people get sick and employees would get hurt. But I'm sure you would balk if higher standards on anything were proposed. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Btw, Obamacare has already lowered healthcare costs and cracked down on abuse of the system, i.e. rampant fraud. Soon most people will see it as a success. It's not going anywhere. Might as well stay focused on Benghazi.icon_lol.gif


    We;re not even talking about a chain scenario that can take you to more than 50 employees in a restaurant. And no, Obamacare has increased healthcare premiums. It's making costs worse - insurers are already blaming it on Obamacare. Even Democrats have pointed out that it's been an implementation disaster.

    But you're right, if businesses can't afford to hire more employees, they shouldn't. They should in fact get rid of the ones they have if they can't afford them either. The problem with this logic is that given how anemic job growth is and the rise in part time employment this appears to be what a lot of businesses are doing.
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    May 13, 2013 8:29 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    riddler 78 said
    HottJoe said
    conservative jack said
    HottJoe said
    riddler 78 said
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even more money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    I think you're confusing small businesses with governments.


    The government employs hookers, not slaves.


    The U.S. government prefers to make slaves out of producers. Lol. And what a grand wreck Obamacare shall be.


    If you call paying for your hundred + employees to have decent wages and healthcare, then yes, that's slavery. icon_rolleyes.gif

    In reality America is the land of opportunity, and if you're producing something people want, you can prosper. We just have to have laws to keep people decent and civilized and all.


    And you think that this is all that Obamacare does? What do you suppose a company who has 99/49 employees will do if they are choosing whether or not to expand?

    And yes, there are laws to keep people decent and civilized but this isn't one of them. Implementation is already nightmarish and it's going to get worse.


    Clearly republicans have hijacked the word small. If a company employs large numbers of people then they have to step up with health care costs. You make it sound like the haves are victims and the have nots aren't human. DFL stands for the little people whose backs are broken. Quit trying to take the US back in time. You don't even live here!


    Really?
    First it has nothing to do with republicans hijacking any word, let alone the word small and more to do with you not knowing or understanding what you are talking about. Small business in the this country have been defined as I've already stated as those businesses employing less than 500 people for quite some time now.
    Let me explain that the reason I have is because I am not a victim. I took all kinds of crazy risks, put everything I had on the line and mortgaged my sons future so that I could have and the reality is that because I have, what you are calling "have nots" are benefiting from the risks I took to start a business.
    Whose backs are broken? What did you do so that I could start a business? What did you do without so I could start a business? How many sleepless nights did you put in to start my business? How many tomes did you put in 12 and 14 hour days to get a job finished in my plant alongside my employees, because I don't remember seeing you there when I was doing that? You think that those of us who own businesses don't put in our own blood sweat and tears? You tell me whose backs are broken.

    You have no clue what you're talking about, you just parrot what someone else tells you without thinking for yourself or finding out the reality of what you passing along.

    As for stepping up with health care costs, how much of my employees health care costs have you been covering since my premiums have jumped up more than 20% since the passage of the Affordable Care Act? I need to step up? Why don't you start stepping up?

    You sure post a lot.
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    May 13, 2013 8:37 PM GMT
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    You sure post a lot.


    You sure post, "You sure post a lot", a lot.
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    You sure post a lot, but you don't think much about what you're posting before you post, do you? If you thought just a little about what you're posting, you might post a little less and look less like the moron you are.

    "If only they had slave labor, they could make even more money!!!" You don't know much about small businesses do ya?
    If you did you would know that most of us have everything we have tied up in our businesses.
    You would know that before we can ever go to a bank for a loan, we go hat in hand begging for loans and gifts from family and friends and often we aren't able to go to a bank for a loan until our business acquires substantial physical assets.
    You would know that often when we start our businesses we start them on a shoestring budget and there is no money for extras like double ply toilet paper let alone the owners BMW payments.
    You would know that when we start a business we are already operating in the red before we open our doors.
    You would know that payroll and employee benefits are one of those expenses we have to account for before we can take any money out of our business for ourselves and our families.
    You would know that often it's months or years before a business makes enough profit for us to take any money out of the business and often we have to work at other jobs or have other family members support our families until our business makes a profit.
    You would know that in the beginning, and even when the business is successful that we, as owners, often have to float our businesses on our personal credit cards or personal lines of credit.
    You would know that as owners we often have to take out second and third mortgages on our houses to start a business and keep our doors open.
    You would know that often we drive cars older than most of the people we employee.
    You would know that when times are rough, we and our families feel the bite of cutting back long before our employees do, if they ever do.

    You sure post a lot, but you don't think much. Do you?


    I never thought about all that so thanks for posting that.
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    May 13, 2013 8:41 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    riddler 78 said
    HottJoe said
    riddler 78 said
    HottJoe said
    conservative jack said
    HottJoe said
    riddler 78 said
    HottJoe saidIf only they had slave labor, they could make even more money!!!icon_surprised.gif


    I think you're confusing small businesses with governments.


    The government employs hookers, not slaves.


    The U.S. government prefers to make slaves out of producers. Lol. And what a grand wreck Obamacare shall be.


    If you call paying for your hundred + employees to have decent wages and healthcare, then yes, that's slavery. icon_rolleyes.gif

    In reality America is the land of opportunity, and if you're producing something people want, you can prosper. We just have to have laws to keep people decent and civilized and all.


    And you think that this is all that Obamacare does? What do you suppose a company who has 99/49 employees will do if they are choosing whether or not to expand?

    And yes, there are laws to keep people decent and civilized but this isn't one of them. Implementation is already nightmarish and it's going to get worse.


    Clearly republicans have hijacked the word small. If a company employs large numbers of people then they have to step up with health care costs. You make it sound like the haves are victims and the have nots aren't human. DFL stands for the little people whose backs are broken. Quit trying to take the US back in time. You don't even live here!


    And you think that Obamacare represents progress? It's not unusual for restaurants to employ quite large number of people but not have correspondingly large revenues.

    You assume that companies will choose to continue to expand. But you haven't answered the question "What do you suppose a company who has 99/49 employees will do if they are choosing whether or not to expand?" The issue is what is happening at these margins and why unemployment is so anemic in the US.

    Taking the US back in time? Is unemployment preferable? As it turns out Obamacare is making the US even more expensive for health care - does that qualify as being "progress"?


    The restaurant business is tough.... But you have to uphold high standards if you want to employ that many people and operate a chain. If you decide not to expand your business because you can't afford to, then the time isn't right for expansion. There is a lot of oversight in restaurants because without it people get sick and employees would get hurt. But I'm sure you would balk if higher standards on anything were proposed. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Btw, Obamacare has already lowered health care costs and cracked down on abuse of the system, i.e. rampant fraud. Soon most people will see it as a success. It's not going anywhere. Might as well stay focused on Benghazi.icon_lol.gif



    I don't know who you're talking to, but if you actually get out here in the real world with real people you'll find that heath care costs have jumped higher since the passage of the Affordable Care Act. As i already pointed out my premiums have jumped more than 20% since the passage and that money has to come from somewhere. Unlike the government I can't run my business on a deficit if I hope to keep my doors open.

    You should learn more about what you're talking about and not be so, how did you put it? " Have an ideological stake against" something you know nothing about nor understand." It makes you look like you don't think before you" run your mouth about what you don't understand.
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    riddler78 saidJust wait until it starts getting implemented...

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    May 13, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
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    I'm sure you'll correct if I'm wrong, but I thought that it was only required if you have at least a hundred employees. If that many people depend on you, at what point do you need to think of their welfare, in addition to making a profit? This won't effect poor entrepreneurs who are toiling away with no money.


    I rest my case. You have no clue of what you are talking about. I'll correct you, because you are wrong.

    maybe you should find out what exactly a small business is. a small business is usually a privately owned corporation, partnership or sole proprietorship that employees 500 people or less.Did you get that? 500 people or less.

    Let me just [point something out to you Mr. Know It All. A business is not a charity. It's main function is to make a profit. If said business does not make a profit all anyone will be doing is thinking about the employees welfare because there will be no money to pay their wages and benefits.

    Now, I along with a business partner own a manufacturing plant (we make things) that runs two to three shifts and employees over 200 people. So as you can see I meet the threshold of over 100 employees and yet I am still a small business because I employ less than 500 people.

    I would say that I think quite a bit about the welfare of my employees, since They have full time employment and medical and dental insurance as well as other benefits. I would also point out that my employees wages and benefits insurance premiums are paid for before those of my own children since they re paid before I can even take a dime out of my business. I would also say that I must care a great deal about the welfare of my employees, since I offer them full time employment and health insurance instead of cutting their hours to part time. I also must care about my employees since I continue to fight an uphill battle against this government to keep my businesses doors open and my employees employed, sine I could close the doors to the business, sell off my
    bldg. , inventory and equipment and retire somewhere with less headache than keeping my business going.

    What would you know about "poor entrepreneurs" ? Do you ave any idea of how much it would cost to open a bindery? A cannery? A tool and die? I didn't think so. You have no clue of how fast a company can go from making millions in sales to bankruptcy, do you? You think that as owners we never have to put more money back into our businesses? Maybe you aren't aware, but many small business owners actually take home and live on less than many of their employees. And I'm sure you have no clue about how business owners are taxed.

    Let me point out to you again, the sole purpose of a business is to make a profit, other wise it would be called a charity and not a business. One other little nugget of truth that fools like you fail to get is that by serving my own interest, those of my family and my business I am also serving the interests of my employees who would be otherwise unemployed.
    It seems that those selfish, but informed business owners care more about our employees than all of the uninformed people with ideas such as yours do. After all, with me they have a job and benefits , what do you have to offer them?When I close the doors to my business because it's easier than fighting the up hill battle morons like you keep placing in front of people like me, are you going to hire them to work for you? I didn't think you could.

    Like I said, you sure do post a lot but you don't think so much.

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    Aside from the name calling, you really make yourself sound like a martyr. Maybe you and the other suffering misunderstood business owners should go live in canyon and study the works of Ayn Rand, and let society collapse without you, our masters....

    I realize you think your employees should have more gratitude for the jobs you've given them, but can't you at least afford healthcare? Sheesh! If small businesses are defined as employing under 500 people then their ought to be a category for legitimately small businesses. Overall people will live better lives with higher quality jobs, including business owners. The lives of everyday people will be greatly improved by this, and businesses will flourish. It's capitalism, and if you go out of business someone will take your place!icon_wink.gif
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    May 13, 2013 8:51 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidAside from the name calling, you really make yourself sound like a martyr. Maybe you and the other suffering misunderstood business owners should go live in canyon and study the works of Ayn Rand, and let society collapse without you, our masters....

    I realize you think your employees should have more gratitude for the jobs you've given them, but can't you at least afford healthcare? Sheesh! If small businesses are defined as employing under 500 people then their ought to be a category for legitimately small businesses. Overall people will live better lives with higher quality jobs, including business owners. The lives of everyday people will be greatly improved by this, and businesses will flourish. It's capitalism, and if you go out of business someone will take your place!icon_wink.gif


    Capitalism is the creation of artificial regulatory barriers? Capitalism is the crony capitalism that the Obama Administration has pushed so hard for? And yeah you can argue that everyone should just shut up, but what's happening is that capital is fungible and can move... and move it will.

    Further, there will be more unemployment to come and higher costs to come given that Obamacare doesn't address the key issue with respect to cost and transparency in the system.