New PPP poll: On Benghazi, Americans trust still-popular Hillary over unpopular Republicans

  • TroyAthlete

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    May 13, 2013 5:43 PM GMT
    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/05/voters-trust-clinton-over-gop-on-benghazi.htmlPPP's newest national poll finds that Republicans aren't getting much traction with their focus on Benghazi over the last week. Voters trust Hillary Clinton over Congressional Republicans on the issue of Benghazi by a 49/39 margin and Clinton's +8 net favorability rating at 52/44 is identical to what it was on our last national poll in late March. Meanwhile Congressional Republicans remain very unpopular with a 36/57 favorability rating.

    Voters think Congress should be more focused on other major issues right now rather than Benghazi. By a 56/38 margin they say passing a comprehensive immigration reform bill is more important than continuing to focus on Benghazi, and by a 52/43 spread they think passing a bill requiring background checks for all gun sales should be a higher priority.

    While voters overall may think Congress' focus should be elsewhere there's no doubt about how mad Republicans are about Benghazi. 41% say they consider this to be the biggest political scandal in American history to only 43% who disagree with that sentiment. Only 10% of Democrats and 20% of independents share that feeling. Republicans think by a 74/19 margin than Benghazi is a worse political scandal than Watergate, by a 74/12 margin that it's worse than Teapot Dome, and by a 70/20 margin that it's worse than Iran Contra.

    One interesting thing about the voters who think Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history is that 39% of them don't actually know where it is. 10% think it's in Egypt, 9% in Iran, 6% in Cuba, 5% in Syria, 4% in Iraq, and 1% each in North Korea and Liberia with 4% not willing to venture a guess.

    At any rate what we're finding about last week's Benghazi focus so far is that Republicans couldn't be much madder about it, voters overall think Congress should be focused on other key issues, and Hillary Clinton's poll numbers aren't declining on account of it.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 13, 2013 5:46 PM GMT
    Translation: Hillary is still going to win in 2016, and Americans still know Republicans are stupid, hysterical, paranoid hacks whose anger and hostility towards women, gays, the Clintons, and the non-wealthy have made them a national joke.
  • HottJoe

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    May 13, 2013 5:48 PM GMT
    Anyone who thinks that it's the biggest political scandal in US history will obviously forget about it soon, since they apparently have no long time memory.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 13, 2013 6:06 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidAnyone who thinks that it's the biggest political scandal in US history will obviously forget about it soon, since they apparently have no long time memory.


    Republicans have had a collective psychotic break.
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    May 15, 2013 5:00 PM GMT
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    May 15, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidRiddler bump


    Lol. You need to add another link.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 15, 2013 5:03 PM GMT
    Oh, okay:

    The GOP's Benghazi Witch Hunt: A Solution in Search of a Problem

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/the-gops-benghazi-witch-hunt_b_3272788.htmlExcuse my righteous indignation, but what the fuck is wrong with waiting a couple of weeks for an investigation to more fully flush out the details before a rush to judgement? Especially after the country was lied into a devastatingly costly 8-year war by Republicans who were so quick to judge and place blame (wrongly, I might add), even in the absence of evidence? Between Obama, Rice, the State Department, the CIA, the FBI and others, no one was denying the role that terrorists played in the Benghazi attack. Rather, the Obama team responsibly chose to reserve drawing conclusions as to the specific who, what, where, when and how of it all until the facts could be determined.

    On September 19, three days after Rice's Sunday morning television appearances, Obama dispatched the head of the National Counterterrorism Center, Matt Olsen, "up to Capitol Hill and specifically said it was an act of terrorism and that extremist elements inside of Libya had been involved in it....Who executes some sort of cover-up or effort to tamp things down for three days? So the whole thing defies logic."

    Exactly. It defies logic. But what it doesn't defy is reality....which is that Republicans remain angry and frustrated after two bruising elections and a loss of power, and are rabid in their quest to undermine and take down this president and Hillary Clinton at any and all cost, regardless of the toll it takes on America.


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    May 15, 2013 5:51 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidOh, okay:

    The GOP's Benghazi Witch Hunt: A Solution in Search of a Problem

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/the-gops-benghazi-witch-hunt_b_3272788.htmlExcuse my righteous indignation, but what the fuck is wrong with waiting a couple of weeks for an investigation to more fully flush out the details before a rush to judgement? Especially after the country was lied into a devastatingly costly 8-year war by Republicans who were so quick to judge and place blame (wrongly, I might add), even in the absence of evidence? Between Obama, Rice, the State Department, the CIA, the FBI and others, no one was denying the role that terrorists played in the Benghazi attack. Rather, the Obama team responsibly chose to reserve drawing conclusions as to the specific who, what, where, when and how of it all until the facts could be determined.

    On September 19, three days after Rice's Sunday morning television appearances, Obama dispatched the head of the National Counterterrorism Center, Matt Olsen, "up to Capitol Hill and specifically said it was an act of terrorism and that extremist elements inside of Libya had been involved in it....Who executes some sort of cover-up or effort to tamp things down for three days? So the whole thing defies logic."

    Exactly. It defies logic. But what it doesn't defy is reality....which is that Republicans remain angry and frustrated after two bruising elections and a loss of power, and are rabid in their quest to undermine and take down this president and Hillary Clinton at any and all cost, regardless of the toll it takes on America.


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    May 15, 2013 6:19 PM GMT
    Are you suggesting sour grapes from the unelectable GOP? Which reminds me, we never did get to see Romney's tax returns. One might have expected a 'Repub-targeting' IRS not to have missed that trick.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 15, 2013 6:41 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidAre you suggesting sour grapes from the unelectable GOP? Which reminds me, we never did get to see Romney's tax returns. One might have expected a 'Repub-targeting' IRS not to have missed that trick.


    The IRS didn't need to: Romney preventing a second Obama term was as lost a cause as deranged Republicans flogging the Benghazi dead horse in a vain attempt to prevent Hillary Clinton from beating Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, or whichever right-wing homophobe the GOP nominates in 2016.
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    May 15, 2013 6:52 PM GMT
    The republicans realize they are losing a lot of ground, and they are in full smear mode. Benghazi is just a symptom of the real problem: republican desperation.

    They suffered another hit the other day which will only make them more desperate:

    "Pablo Pantoja Turns Democrat: RNC Florida Hispanic Director Cites GOP 'Intolerance' In Making Party Switch"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/13/pablo-pantoja-democrat_n_3269977.html
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    May 15, 2013 9:37 PM GMT
    ^
    "Less than two months after the Republican National Committee announced a multi-million dollar campaign to improve minority outreach, one of its state Hispanic directors is leaving the Republican Party altogether."

    Just like the RNC demonstrated its idea of gay outreach last year with one of its most anti-gay platforms ever.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 16, 2013 5:33 AM GMT
    creyente saidThe republicans realize they are losing a lot of ground, and they are in full smear mode. Benghazi is just a symptom of the real problem: republican desperation.

    They suffered another hit the other day which will only make them more desperate:

    "Pablo Pantoja Turns Democrat: RNC Florida Hispanic Director Cites GOP 'Intolerance' In Making Party Switch"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/13/pablo-pantoja-democrat_n_3269977.html


    Hahaha. Another massive GOP fail.
  • musclmed

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    May 16, 2013 6:21 AM GMT
    PPP poll, LOL.

    Hillary and Obama are 2 separate individuals.

    I think the Benghazi situation will take a back seat to the IRS and its exploits. It is a subject matter that resonates with a majority of the population.
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    May 16, 2013 1:57 PM GMT
    Where is the Riddler's comment on this? And yes Hillary will still win in 2016 because of the fact that so many embassy attacks happened under Bush that this obvious partisan attack will be seen for what it is, the right attacking a fututre presidential nominee. They act like we can't see the drool coming out of their mouths with their thoughts about taking someone down instead of getting answers and correcting policy which led to the attack. The right is nothing but a bunch of power hungry assholes who don't care about people, just mone ajd control.
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    May 16, 2013 1:59 PM GMT
    musclmed saidPPP poll, LOL.

    Hillary and Obama are 2 separate individuals.

    I think the Benghazi situation will take a back seat to the IRS and its exploits. It is a subject matter that resonates with a majority of the population.


    I think it will become apparent that a majority of Americans will in the long run not be concerned that the IRS was doing their job. We all know the right has issues with extreme partisan politics. There is no denying that.
  • musclmed

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    May 16, 2013 2:08 PM GMT
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    musclmed saidPPP poll, LOL.

    Hillary and Obama are 2 separate individuals.

    I think the Benghazi situation will take a back seat to the IRS and its exploits. It is a subject matter that resonates with a majority of the population.


    I think it will become apparent that a majority of Americans will in the long run not be concerned that the IRS was doing their job. We all know the right has issues with extreme partisan politics. There is no denying that.


    We shall see. But it is a galvanizing point.

    Many democrats have come out in public to denounce this. That is commendable.

    However this will only embolden and bolster groups that believe that government when unmonitored can just become the tool of the party in power.

    In a few posts here and only the most rabid partisans have said that they agree with playing politics with the IRS. Because well they dislike the "tea party" "small government" movement . And "elections have consequences"

    Whoever believes it is right or justified PLEASE SPEAK OUT. Tell us you think this is justified and an example of what this country was founded on.



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    musclmed said
    dudewithabeard said
    musclmed saidPPP poll, LOL.

    Hillary and Obama are 2 separate individuals.

    I think the Benghazi situation will take a back seat to the IRS and its exploits. It is a subject matter that resonates with a majority of the population.


    I think it will become apparent that a majority of Americans will in the long run not be concerned that the IRS was doing their job. We all know the right has issues with extreme partisan politics. There is no denying that.


    We shall see. But it is a galvanizing point.

    Many democrats have come out in public to denounce this. That is commendable.

    However this will only embolden and bolster groups that believe that government when unmonitored can just become the tool of the party in power.

    In a few posts here and only the most rabid partisans have said that they agree with playing politics with the IRS. Because well they dislike the "tea party" "small government" movement . And "elections have consequences"

    Whoever believes it is right or justified PLEASE SPEAK OUT. Tell us you think this is justified and an example of what this country was founded on.





    So are you agreeing that it is the job of the IRS to determine whether or not a group qualifies for tax exempt status?

    ps. even some democrats are stupid and pander for political purposes

    pss. why do you hide your face. it is kind of hard to take someone serious in regards to these types of topics if they are too afraid to show their face.
  • musclmed

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    May 16, 2013 5:20 PM GMT
    dudewithabeard said
    musclmed said
    dudewithabeard said
    musclmed saidPPP poll, LOL.

    Hillary and Obama are 2 separate individuals.

    I think the Benghazi situation will take a back seat to the IRS and its exploits. It is a subject matter that resonates with a majority of the population.


    I think it will become apparent that a majority of Americans will in the long run not be concerned that the IRS was doing their job. We all know the right has issues with extreme partisan politics. There is no denying that.


    We shall see. But it is a galvanizing point.

    Many democrats have come out in public to denounce this. That is commendable.

    However this will only embolden and bolster groups that believe that government when unmonitored can just become the tool of the party in power.

    In a few posts here and only the most rabid partisans have said that they agree with playing politics with the IRS. Because well they dislike the "tea party" "small government" movement . And "elections have consequences"

    Whoever believes it is right or justified PLEASE SPEAK OUT. Tell us you think this is justified and an example of what this country was founded on.





    So are you agreeing that it is the job of the IRS to determine whether or not a group qualifies for tax exempt status?

    ps. even some democrats are stupid and pander for political purposes

    pss. why do you hide your face. it is kind of hard to take someone serious in regards to these types of topics if they are too afraid to show their face.


    typical. You ran out of things to say and you are making personal attacks.

    The argument and facts stand and exist whether I make them or someone else.

    This is a typical liberal tactic on here. You cant make an argument so you turn on the person making the argument.

    Its the IRS job to determine whether or not a group should be tax exempt, but there cannot be separate questions for conservative or tea party groups.

    The questions asked were so intrusive they had a chilling effect and forced many groups to withdraw applications. A government that plays favorites is doomed to failure.


    It is NOT the IRS job to leak confidential tax information to the press.


    The IRS sent Crossroads’ application to ProPublica in response to a public-records request. The document sent to ProPublica didn’t include an official IRS recognition letter, which is typically attached to applications of nonprofits that have been recognized. The IRS is only required to give out applications of groups recognized as tax-exempt.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/13/the-irs-admits-to-targeting-conservative-groups-but-were-they-also-leaking/#ixzz2TTeF2Ra9

  • TroyAthlete

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    May 16, 2013 6:00 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    Its the IRS job to determine whether or not a group should be tax exempt, but there cannot be separate questions for conservative or tea party groups.


    This is true: the IRS should be targeting all 501(c)(4)'s.

    Most of those are right-wing groups though, masquerading as non-profits. They deserve scrutiny.
  • musclmed

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    May 16, 2013 6:10 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    musclmed said
    Its the IRS job to determine whether or not a group should be tax exempt, but there cannot be separate questions for conservative or tea party groups.


    This is true: the IRS should be targeting all 501(c)(4)'s.

    Most of those are right-wing groups though, masquerading as non-profits. They deserve scrutiny.


    You may not be aware the 501c5- labor groups saw a proportional increase in applications.

    To target groups only based on political ideology is a federal crime. And the IRS admitted doing this.

    This cannot be explained by an increase in applications, unless well you suspend the truth.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 16, 2013 6:44 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    You may not be aware the 501c5- labor groups saw a proportional increase in applications.

    To target groups only based on political ideology is a federal crime. And the IRS admitted doing this.


    Actually it's not a "federal crime" -- that's unfactual. That said, they shouldn't be targeting conservatives groups only -- they need to target all these "nonprofits" that are merely cover for putting more and more soft money into politics.

    I already said that.
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    May 16, 2013 6:49 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidThis is true: the IRS should be targeting all 501(c)(4)'s.

    Most of those are right-wing groups though, masquerading as non-profits. They deserve scrutiny.


    I usually side with you, TA, but 501(c)(4)'s are hardly all right wing groups. 501(c)(4)s are allowed to have some political activity, so they're all over the spectrum.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 16, 2013 7:01 PM GMT
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    TroyAthlete saidThis is true: the IRS should be targeting all 501(c)(4)'s.

    Most of those are right-wing groups though, masquerading as non-profits. They deserve scrutiny.


    I usually side with you, TA, but 501(c)(4)'s are hardly all right wing groups. 501(c)(4)s are allowed to have some political activity, so they're all over the spectrum.


    I don't think they're "all" right-wing groups -- that's not what I said. I said that right-wing groups providing political cover for the Koch Brothers and their ilk outnumber liberal groups.

    That said, they all deserve scrutiny -- this is the inevitable outcome of the boneheaded Citizens United ruling, one of the worst decisions in Supreme Court history.
  • musclmed

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    May 16, 2013 7:08 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    musclmed said
    You may not be aware the 501c5- labor groups saw a proportional increase in applications.

    To target groups only based on political ideology is a federal crime. And the IRS admitted doing this.


    Actually it's not a "federal crime" -- that's unfactual. That said, they shouldn't be targeting conservatives groups only -- they need to target all these "nonprofits" that are merely cover for putting more and more soft money into politics.

    I already said that.


    The questions were out of bounds, if any of the employees conspired with outside groups ( to leak tax information) or took direction from other organizations directing audits its certainly is a crime.

    Questions such as "what books are you reading".

    What is refreshing is most Democrats are denouncing it. You would be in the minority if you didnt.