WP Fact Checker: Obama lied on Benghazi. Update: White House claims 'Irrelevant Fact' Where Obama Was During Attacks

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    May 14, 2013 2:05 PM GMT
    Liberal WashingtonPost Fact Checker: Obama lies when he claims that he called Benghazi "Act of Terrorism"

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-claim-he-called-benghazi-an-act-of-terrorism/2013/05/13/7b65b83e-bc14-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_blog.html?tid=pm_politics_pop

    During the campaign, the president could just get away with claiming he said “act of terror,” since he did use those words — though not in the way he often claimed. It seemed like a bit of after-the-fact spin, but those were his actual words — to the surprise of Mitt Romney in the debate.

    But the president’s claim that he said “act of terrorism” is taking revisionist history too far, given that he repeatedly refused to commit to that phrase when asked directly by reporters in the weeks after the attack. He appears to have gone out of his way to avoid saying it was a terrorist attack, so he has little standing to make that claim now.

    Indeed, the initial unedited talking points did not call it an act of terrorism. Instead of pretending the right words were uttered, it would be far better to acknowledge that he was echoing what the intelligence community believed at the time--and that the administration’s phrasing could have been clearer and more forthright from the start.
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    May 14, 2013 2:06 PM GMT
    Coverup: State Dept. Kept Media From Speaking To Benghazi Attack Survivors.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/05/13/State-Dept-Kept-Media-From-Speaking-To-Benghazi-Attack-Survivor
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    May 14, 2013 2:12 PM GMT
    Hilary Chabot, Boston Herald: Critics draw comparisons to Watergate.:
    http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/us_politics/2013/05/benghazi_outrage_reaches_boiling_point
    President Obama’s angry dismissal of the growing outcry over the handling of last year’s Benghazi terrorist attack that left a U.S. ambassador dead shows all the signs of a White House in “damage control” mode, critics say.

    “They are in damage control, and this story is now gaining traction because people are now talking about it even more,” said Richard Benedetto, an American University political science professor and former White House correspondent for USA Today. “This story to me has all the makings of a Watergate kind of story. What did they know and when did they know it, and what did people in the White House do to cover it up?”
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    May 14, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/05/benghazi-cia-talking-point-edits-white-house.html?mbid=social_retweet

    It’s a cliché, of course, but it really is true: in Washington, every scandal has a crime and a coverup. The ongoing debate about the attack on the United States facility in Benghazi where four Americans were killed, and the Obama Administration’s response to it, is no exception. For a long time, it seemed like the idea of a coverup was just a Republican obsession. But now there is something to it.

    On Friday, ABC News’s Jonathan Karl revealed the details of the editing process for the C.I.A.’s talking points about the attack, including the edits themselves and some of the reasons a State Department spokeswoman gave for requesting those edits.
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    May 14, 2013 3:18 PM GMT
    Jon Stewart updates his opinions on Benghazi -

    Jon Stewart Sides With Conservatives, Destroys Obama on IRS & AP Scandals

    http://www.ijreview.com/2013/05/52244-jon-stewart-absolutely-skewers-incompetent-obama-administration-sides-with-conservatives/
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    May 14, 2013 5:50 PM GMT
    http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/244122/a-flood-of-scandals-engulfs-obama

    Let's start with the Benghazi attack and the issue of what the White House knew and when. This scandal has bubbled below the surface for the past few months, but the embarrassing shift more than a week after the attack from the fiction that the attack started as a demonstration over a YouTube video to a belated acknowledgment that it had been a planned terrorist attack — and that there had been no demonstration at all — had not been forgotten on Capitol Hill.

    Three State Department career employees finally came forward to tell Congress last week that no one had even suggested to the State Department that a demonstration had taken place. Gregory Hicks, who was the deputy chief of mission in Libya, told the House Oversight panel that he personally briefed Hillary Clinton during the attack, and that no demonstration had taken place, and that the supposedly catalytic YouTube film about Mohammed was a "non-factor" on the ground. Hicks also said that his "jaw dropped" when he heard Susan Rice tell five different Sunday talk shows that the attack started with a spontaneous demonstration at the consulate, directly contradicting what Libya's president was telling U.S. news outlets at the same time.

    Eric Nordstrom undercut the White House defense of relying on a rather soft scolding from its Accountability Review Board by accusing the panel of deliberately overlooking the role of senior State Department officials in ignoring a string of urgent requests for more security. That has also happened before, and resulted in attacks on American embassies in 1998. Who was in charge of security issues then? Why, the same man who holds the position today — Under Secretary for Management Patrick Kennedy, Nordstrom pointed out:

    "[The ARB] has decided to fix responsibility on the assistant secretary level and below. And the message to my colleagues is that if you're above a certain level, no matter what your decision is no one's going to question it. I look back and I see the last time we had a major attack was East Africa. Who was in that same position, when the unheeded messengers… were raising those concerns? It just so happens it was the same person. The under secretary for management was in that same role before."

    Later, ABC's Jon Karl reported that the administration changed the CIA talking points on Benghazi 12 times before Rice's appearances on September 16. CIA Director David Petraeus called the final product "useless" on Sept. 15 and advised against using the talking points, to no avail. The White House sent Rice out with the talking points, while both Obama and Hillary Clinton repeated the claims about the YouTube video — with Obama referencing the claim in a September 25 speech at the U.N. The White House had rinsed the talking points for political purposes, and continued to evade the truth about it.

    And this was the least of the scandals that erupted over the last week.
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    May 14, 2013 6:50 PM GMT
    Nobody is paying any attention to your propaganda posts about Obama, so why don't you just worry about your own Canadian backyard and mind your own damn business.
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    May 14, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidNobody is paying any attention to your propaganda posts about Obama, so why don't you just worry about your own Canadian backyard and mind your own damn business.


    Good then ignore these posts - most of which are simple news articles from mainstream sources which makes you something of a moron. I am posting the articles as they appear over the RSS feed.
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    May 14, 2013 6:57 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidNobody is paying any attention to your propaganda posts about Obama, so why don't you just worry about your own Canadian backyard and mind your own damn business.


    Good then ignore these posts - most of which are simple news articles from mainstream sources which makes you something of a moron. I am posting the articles as they appear over the RSS feed.
    If anyone is the moron here it is you, the nosy rosie from north of the border. Why don't you worry about simple news articles from your own country unless it is a boring, slow news day. Otherwise go do something constructive in your meaningless, beshitted life if that is possible for you.
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    May 14, 2013 6:59 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    roadbikeRob saidNobody is paying any attention to your propaganda posts about Obama, so why don't you just worry about your own Canadian backyard and mind your own damn business.


    Good then ignore these posts - most of which are simple news articles from mainstream sources which makes you something of a moron. I am posting the articles as they appear over the RSS feed.
    If anyone is the moron here it is you, the nosy rosie from north of the border. Why don't you worry about simple news articles from your own country unless it is a boring, slow news day. Otherwise go do something constructive in your meaningless, beshitted life if that is possible for you.


    Again you show yourself to be nothing more than a vapid intellectual midget who is unable to hit the "ignore" button. But that's your prerogative as I simply pass on the links that go through my feed.

    Oh, I guess the answer to your question makes it a "no, it's not possible for me".
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    May 14, 2013 7:01 PM GMT
    From the President's speech the day after the Benghazi attack:

    "Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
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    May 14, 2013 7:02 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said[waste of good facts on right-wing conservatives to whom facts don't matter]


    Ex_Mil: you are arguing with a blind, myopic, right-wing dingbat and spam artist. Stop feeding the troll dude. Riddler is an idiot: don't bother arguing with him. He'll bring to you to his level of idiocy, then beat you with experience.

    Take a page out of Obama's book when Romney was hanging himself, and just say "please proceed."

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    Ex_Mil8 saidFrom the President's speech the day after the Benghazi attack:

    "Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."


    Because you're either a too myopic or intellectually stunted to read:

    During the campaign, the president could just get away with claiming he said “act of terror,” since he did use those words — though not in the way he often claimed. It seemed like a bit of after-the-fact spin, but those were his actual words — to the surprise of Mitt Romney in the debate.

    But the president’s claim that he said “act of terrorism” is taking revisionist history too far, given that he repeatedly refused to commit to that phrase when asked directly by reporters in the weeks after the attack. He appears to have gone out of his way to avoid saying it was a terrorist attack, so he has little standing to make that claim now.

    Indeed, the initial unedited talking points did not call it an act of terrorism. Instead of pretending the right words were uttered, it would be far better to acknowledge that he was echoing what the intelligence community believed at the time--and that the administration’s phrasing could have been clearer and more forthright from the start.
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    May 14, 2013 7:08 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 said[waste of good facts on right-wing conservatives to whom facts don't matter]


    Ex_Mil: you are arguing with a blind, myopic, right-wing dingbat and spam artist. Stop feeding the troll dude.

    Riddler is an idiot: don't bother arguing with him. He'll bring to you to his level of idiocy, then beat you with experience.

    Take a page out of Obama's book when Romney was hanging himself, and just say "please proceed."


    Yes, do please ignore me icon_rolleyes.gif

    The only problem with the line you're pushing is that the articles I'm posting aren't "blind, myopic, rightwing dingbat spam".

    It kind of undercuts your narrative.
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    May 14, 2013 7:09 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    roadbikeRob said
    riddler78 said
    roadbikeRob saidNobody is paying any attention to your propaganda posts about Obama, so why don't you just worry about your own Canadian backyard and mind your own damn business.


    Good then ignore these posts - most of which are simple news articles from mainstream sources which makes you something of a moron. I am posting the articles as they appear over the RSS feed.
    If anyone is the moron here it is you, the nosy rosie from north of the border. Why don't you worry about simple news articles from your own country unless it is a boring, slow news day. Otherwise go do something constructive in your meaningless, beshitted life if that is possible for you.


    Again you show yourself to be nothing more than a vapid intellectual midget who is unable to hit the "ignore" button. But that's your prerogative as I simply pass on the links that go through my feed.

    Oh, I guess the answer to your question makes it a "no, it's not possible for me".
    You show yourself with being too preoccupied with something that does not concern you in the first place. Why don't you just ignore that RSS feed and get out and do something constructive for a change. Go for a run, go to the gym, go watch them build a new skyscraper in central Toronto, go argue with the mayor of Toronto and call him a stupid, fat, homophobic slob. Go to a Starbucks or a local yocal coffee joint and check out the guys. Go shopping. Whatever. Just do something other than stick your nose into US affairs because they really are none of your damned business.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 14, 2013 7:14 PM GMT
    riddler78 said

    Yes, do please ignore me icon_rolleyes.gif

    The only problem with the line you're pushing is that the articles I'm posting aren't "blind, myopic, rightwing dingbat spam".

    It kind of undercuts your narrative.


    No it doesn't: you don't even read the things you, or you do and you blatantly lie about them. You're a dishonest partisan hack.

    For example, the Jon Stewart post above is about the IRS and the AP -- nothing about Benghazi. Yet you state "Jon Stewart updates opinion about Benghazi." That's lie.

    Nothing you say is taken seriously because you are a liar. That's just one of your blatant lies. You post link after link after link and lie about their content -- why? Because you are a blind, myopic, right-wing dingbat forum spammer who is so annoying that he has to bump his own shit because nobody else gives a crap about anything he says.

    You're a joke, bro. NOBODY here that's not a complete conservanut likes you and your constant barrage of spam. You're an idiot!
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    May 14, 2013 7:19 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said

    Yes, do please ignore me icon_rolleyes.gif

    The only problem with the line you're pushing is that the articles I'm posting aren't "blind, myopic, rightwing dingbat spam".

    It kind of undercuts your narrative.


    No it doesn't: you don't even read the things you, or you do and you blatantly lie about them. You're a dishonest partisan hack.

    For example, the Jon Stewart post above is about the IRS and the AP -- nothing about Benghazi. Yet you state "Jon Stewart updates opinion about Benghazi." That's lie.

    Nothing you say is taken seriously because you are a liar. That's just one of your blatant lies. You post link after link after link and lie about their content -- why? Because you are a blind, myopic, right-wing dingbat forum spammer who is so annoying that he has to bump his own shit because nobody else gives a crap about anything he says.

    You're a joke, bro. NOBODY here that's not a complete conservanut likes you and your constant barrage of spam. You're an idiot!


    I'll leave that to others to decide. And as to update on his view of Benghazi? Did you bother watching it? I am posting and updating the links on these particular scandals that you apparently have no interest in - and that's certainly your prerogative, but it does make you something of an idiot clown. And you know, come to think of it, your over the top vitriol is kind of betraying your insecurity that as much as you think I am a "liar", people take me far more seriously than they do you.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 14, 2013 7:22 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    I'll leave that to others to decide. And as to update on his view of Benghazi? Did you bother watching it? I am posting and updating the links on these particular scandals that you apparently have no interest in - and that's certainly your prerogative, but it does make you something of an idiot clown. And you know, come to think of it, your over the top vitriol is kind of betraying your insecurity that as much as you think I am a "liar", people take me far more seriously than they do you.


    If by "everybody" you mean "topathlete" you're right. If by "everybody" you mean all the many people on your spam threads that have called you out for spamming the forums with right wing idiocy, then you are again proving that you are batshit crazy.

    You lied about Jon Stewart. You are a liar and spammer. And no, kid, nobody takes you seriously except as an annoying, lonely, nerdy Canadian who is a right-wing laughingstock.
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    May 14, 2013 7:26 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    I'll leave that to others to decide. And as to update on his view of Benghazi? Did you bother watching it? I am posting and updating the links on these particular scandals that you apparently have no interest in - and that's certainly your prerogative, but it does make you something of an idiot clown. And you know, come to think of it, your over the top vitriol is kind of betraying your insecurity that as much as you think I am a "liar", people take me far more seriously than they do you.


    If by "everybody" you mean "topathlete" you're right. If by "everybody" you mean all the many people on your spam threads that have called you out for spamming the forums with right wing idiocy, then you are again proving that you are batshit crazy.

    You lied about Jon Stewart. You are a liar and spammer. And no, kid, nobody takes you seriously except as an annoying, lonely, nerdy Canadian who is a right-wing laughingstock.


    Who said anything about "everybody"? The only liar and spammer here is you. And no I didn't lie about Jon Stewart who did update his view - given the other scandals that have since been brought to public view.

    When it comes to idiocy, I'd have to defer to you given your obvious expertise. It's like you think what happens here even really matters. I'll continue to post the articles that pass through my RSS feed and the scandals will continue to unfold - much to your chagrin.

    You, however, are a clown with such obvious delusions of grandeur. icon_wink.gif
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 14, 2013 7:33 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidWho said anything about "everybody"? The only liar and spammer here is you. And no I didn't lie about Jon Stewart who did update his view - given the other scandals that have since been brought to public view.

    When it comes to idiocy, I'd have to defer to you given your obvious expertise. It's like you think what happens here even really matters. I'll continue to post the articles that pass through my RSS feed and the scandals will continue to unfold - much to your chagrin.

    You, however, are a clown with such obvious delusions of grandeur. icon_wink.gif


    Still lying. You just can't help yourself. You are incapable of being honest, of being anything other than a right-wing partisan hack. He didn't "update his Beghazi views" you liar -- he still thinks Republicans are full of shit on Benghazi, and he is right.

    You'll continue to cherry picks links and lie about them, and ignore facts. You won't dare post a link about how the supposed "bombshell" White House emails revealing a "cover-up" were in fact doctored and in reality showed no such thing. Because you are not interested in facts, or truth just lying.

    I have no doubt you will continue to demonstrate that you are RealJock's resident Canadian village idiot by spamming the forums with nonsense that makes nobody take you seriously and proving how desperate, sad, and pathetic you are by bumping your own un-read, un-cared about threads six or seven times before anybody else responds (out of pure annoyance). I'm not trying to stop you from looking like a fool, believe me:

    "Please proceed."
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    May 14, 2013 7:35 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidNobody is paying any attention to your propaganda posts about Obama, so why don't you just worry about your own Canadian backyard and mind your own damn business.

    Good then ignore these posts - most of which are simple news articles from mainstream sources which makes you something of a moron. I am posting the articles as they appear over the RSS feed.

    No, actually you are spamming. Don't you have some employment at 35, and more importantly, a life? You spam some of this crap every couple of minutes. I'm retired, handicapped and so therefore home a lot, and even I can't match your pace.
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    May 14, 2013 8:00 PM GMT
    topathlete saidThey want to manage the info because they fear the independent minded may see both sides. Just ignore them. They are a small core group of hyper-partisan zealots in panic mode because the scandals are threatening their emperor delusions.

    Projection much?
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    May 14, 2013 8:04 PM GMT
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    topathlete saidThey want to manage the info because they fear the independent minded may see both sides. Just ignore them. They are a small core group of hyper-partisan zealots in panic mode because the scandals are threatening their emperor delusions.

    Projection much?


    Heh - that's irony for you.
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    May 14, 2013 8:07 PM GMT
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    topathlete saidThey want to manage the info because they fear the independent minded may see both sides. Just ignore them. They are a small core group of hyper-partisan zealots in panic mode because the scandals are threatening their emperor delusions.

    Projection much?

    Heh - that's irony for you.

    Clever retort, Pee Wee

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    May 14, 2013 8:34 PM GMT
    As all the leftists can do is spout "deny deny deny" and claim the "other side" is stupid, partisan, etc, the scandal continues to creep forward:

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/14/white-house-spokesman-faces-three-scandals-at-once/

    “We cannot and should not prejudge the outcome of an investigation,” he said, adding that “the IRS should not be politicized.”

    Carney again dismissed the growing scandal over the White House’s rewrite of the CIA’s “talking points” that were drafted after the 2012 jihadi attack on the U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi.

    He accused the GOP of misleading reporters about an email sent by Ben Rhodes, then the deputy national security adviser for strategic communications.

    Administration critics “decided to fabricate portions of an email. … I’m not surprised by it,” he said.

    The GOP criticism of the administration’s behavior during the Benghazi crisis is a “political sideshow … [and] an effort to politicize a tragedy,” he said.

    Obama used similar language on Monday, saying “the whole issue of talking points, frankly throughout this process, has been a sideshow.”

    Throughout the 50-minute press conference, reporters aggressively but fruitlessly pressed Carney for more information.