No Benefit in Sharply Restricting Salt, Panel Finds

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    May 14, 2013 7:13 PM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/health/panel-finds-no-benefit-in-sharply-restricting-sodium.html?hp&pagewanted=all

    In a report that undercuts years of public health warnings, a prestigious group convened by the government says there is no good reason based on health outcomes for many Americans to drive their sodium consumption down to the very low levels recommended in national dietary guidelines.

    Those levels, 1,500 milligrams of sodium a day, or a little more than half a teaspoon of salt, were supposed to prevent heart attacks and strokes in people at risk, including anyone older than 50, blacks and people with high blood pressure, diabetes or chronic kidney disease — a group that makes up more than half of the American population.

    Some influential organizations, including the American Heart Association, have said everyone, not just those at risk, should aim for that very low sodium level. The heart association reaffirmed that position in an interview on Monday, even in light of the new report.

    But the new expert committee, commissioned by the Institute of Medicine at the behest of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said there was no rationale for anyone to aim for sodium levels below 2,300 milligrams a day. The group examined new evidence that had emerged since the last such report was issued, in 2005.
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    May 14, 2013 7:28 PM GMT
    And that conclusion is quickly challenged and largely debunked by The American Heart Association.

    http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/14/18251793-report-questioning-salt-guidelines-riles-heart-experts?lite

    Thanks, riddler, for another of your posts that encourages Americans to do unhealthy things. What IS this thing you have for obsessively trashing the US, and disseminating questionable if not actually bad health advice to follow?
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    May 14, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidAnd that conclusion is quickly challenged and largely debunked by The American Heart Association.

    http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/14/18251793-report-questioning-salt-guidelines-riles-heart-experts?lite

    Thanks, riddler, for another of your posts that encourages Americans to do unhealthy things. What IS this thing you have for obsessively trashing the US, and disseminating questionable if not actually bad health advice to follow?


    If you say so. Largely debunked? Hardly. Did you even read your own link? People should choose, read information, and have access to information or do you disagree?

    This is hardly the first study that suggests that salt isn't as bad for you as we've been told.

    From ScientificAmerican:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1702233
  • barriehomeboy

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    May 15, 2013 1:14 AM GMT
    There are "studies" about just about everything, and their proponents, on both sides, seem plausible to the rest of us ignorant people who are not scientists and have no clue what the data really means. Mean. Sp?

    You have to back up and unearth the agenda of the people pushing the statistics.

  • Eccomi09

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    May 15, 2013 1:23 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    ART_DECO saidAnd that conclusion is quickly challenged and largely debunked by The American Heart Association.

    http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/14/18251793-report-questioning-salt-guidelines-riles-heart-experts?lite

    Thanks, riddler, for another of your posts that encourages Americans to do unhealthy things. What IS this thing you have for obsessively trashing the US, and disseminating questionable if not actually bad health advice to follow?


    If you say so. Largely debunked? Hardly. Did you even read your own link? People should choose, read information, and have access to information or do you disagree?

    This is hardly the first study that suggests that salt isn't as bad for you as we've been told.

    From ScientificAmerican:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1702233


    A "one-size-fits-all" diet is a bad path to follow. Cutting sodium for sedentary people may be proper, and certainly getting rid of the processed food crap is the best decision we as a nation could ever do. But, salt is critically important to athletes and, when preserving healthy whole foods, is good. Again, choose gray and sea salts that are not processed.
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    May 15, 2013 1:34 AM GMT
    barriehomeboy said
    You have to back up and unearth the agenda of the people pushing the statistics.

    Agree. And in every case, riddler posts things that tell us to eat unhealthy. I do wonder what his agenda is. He tells us how awful it is to be US Americans, while he lives (allegedly) in Canada, his job to outsource US jobs to China, his birthplace. You do have to wonder what his agenda is. icon_confused.gif
  • LJay

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    May 15, 2013 1:55 AM GMT
    About riddler I have no concerns. I just don't pay attention to him.

    As for teh salt, 1500mg is 3/4 tsp. That really is not very much, especially if you eat packaged food.

    On the other hand, I followed a random couple of day of my own eating a few weeks ago and found that by eating fresh foods and doing myown cooking and seasoning, it was not too difficult to get under 2000 mg/1 tsp. It takes som watchfullness, but it can be done. The minute you start opening jars and boxes, though, you are a goner.
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    May 15, 2013 4:08 AM GMT
    I love salt. One of the benefits of a keto diet is that you get to eat a lot of it.

    I have no blood pressure issues, though.
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    May 15, 2013 5:22 AM GMT
    Study after study, and years of clinical observation support lower sodium intakes for almost everyone.

    Athletes need some salt, but, most folks get way too much, and that's backed by years of observations by folks who do it for a living.

    In my personal experience, I find MSG is a trigger, and, if it hit the buffet, it runs my bp up almost instantly.

    For me, personally, lower sodium DOES help, and I sweat.
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    May 15, 2013 5:46 AM GMT
    I look at protein, calories, fat, etc...but never sodium. Always wondered if this was an issue...no medical concerns. Yet, I suppose...
  • Amelorn

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    May 15, 2013 7:12 AM GMT
    Salt consumption patterns vary WILDLY per person. Many (most?) are eating high quantities of boxed/processed foods without any substantial exercise

    Example: I do not eat any boxed foods. My diet is a combination of fresh meats, fresh produce, spices, and rice. I am quite generous with the sea salt where appropriate, as I would get only trace amounts otherwise.
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    May 15, 2013 11:08 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    barriehomeboy said
    You have to back up and unearth the agenda of the people pushing the statistics.

    Agree. And in every case, riddler posts things that tell us to eat unhealthy. I do wonder what his agenda is. He tells us how awful it is to be US Americans, while he lives (allegedly) in Canada, his job to outsource US jobs to China, his birthplace. You do have to wonder what his agenda is. icon_confused.gif


    Just because you lie about who you are and exaggerate what was your place in the military doesn't mean others do. My birthplace is Canadian and I'm proud to be a Canadian - though your persistent and not so subtle racist attacks are silly.

    As for the details on salt, they're interesting studies and I've also posted on paleo which I more or less follow. I take salt in moderation personally - and if pictures are any indication, perhaps so should you (you may want to limit your carbs as well).
  • gwuinsf

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    May 15, 2013 9:18 PM GMT
    There is more and more evidence that salt has been wrongly demonized. One of the problems is and has been the overabundance of salt in the Standard American Diet due to the amount of processed food that we consume. We're getting too much sodium in our diet, so it has been in our interest to not add any more. Too much of anything is going to have negative effects on health.

    If you follow a low-carb or keto diet, it's in your interest to add salt to your diet as your body lets go of a lot of water. If you are extremely active, you probably need to add salt to your diet. If you've eliminated processed food out of your diet and you don't eat out a lot, you also probably want to add salt to your diet.
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    May 15, 2013 9:29 PM GMT
    Instead of listening what other people says.. You should listen to your own body and see how it reacts to those changes.. Some people might need more of a certain food group than others.. It's different and nobody else other than yourself can decide how much of what you need.