Couple sues over adopted son's sex-assignment surgery

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    May 15, 2013 12:02 AM GMT
    Couple sues over adopted son's sex-assignment surgery

    http://news.yahoo.com/couple-sues-over-adopted-sons-early-sex-assignment-185711866.html
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    May 15, 2013 1:32 AM GMT
    I hope that the family succeeds in ending premature gender assignment. I hope that kid grows up knowing how special he is.

    Maybe not the place for this question, but I have often asked myself "if you fall for a great guy with a decent body and you learn he doesn't have a penis, what do you do?" I honestly wouldn't mind. Anybody else feel that way?
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    May 15, 2013 1:36 AM GMT
    t0mb0mb saidI hope that the family succeeds in ending premature gender assignment. I hope that kid grows up knowing how special he is.
    +1

    The people responsible for that decision should never be allowed to practice medicine again.
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    May 15, 2013 3:12 AM GMT
    t0mb0mb saidI hope that the family succeeds in ending premature gender assignment. I hope that kid grows up knowing how special he is.

    Maybe not the place for this question, but I have often asked myself "if you fall for a great guy with a decent body and you learn he doesn't have a penis, what do you do?" I honestly wouldn't mind. Anybody else feel that way?


    I'd be okay with that in an open relationship but not in a monogamous one.

    I actually did have an experience, well, a quick drunk trick but I'm still counting it, with a guy who I finally figured out was some sort of transsexual. We were getting into some pretty hot and heavy public petting when I thought I noticed nothing there. I think I did well on concealing my disappointment shock and it wasn't a big deal at the time as we were just playing with each other anyway. On the surface the guy was very good looking. Tight bod. Exotic (to me) face. Lots of passion about him. It didn't go anywhere but I found that very engaging at the time.
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    May 15, 2013 3:13 AM GMT
    t0mb0mb saidI hope that the family succeeds in ending premature gender assignment. I hope that kid grows up knowing how special he is.

    Maybe not the place for this question, but I have often asked myself "if you fall for a great guy with a decent body and you learn he doesn't have a penis, what do you do?" I honestly wouldn't mind. Anybody else feel that way?



    I'm afraid I'm not as enlightened as you. No, I don't think I could fall for a man without a penis. However.....if I were already committed to the guy, then he lost his penis, I would certainly not leave him. Although I would help him search for it. icon_cool.gif
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    May 15, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
    I heard about a similar case years ago. The doctor made a decision without consulting the family and assigned the child as a girl. The saying goes that 'It's easier to dig a hole than build a pole,' which is why many of these instances result in female assignment.
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    May 15, 2013 6:16 AM GMT
    So, the reason they've decided he's a boy is because he has an interest in 'boy' things? Then they're saying that flying model airplanes or entertaining oneself with a toolbox is a genetically wired 'male' trait? One must wonder what role the adoptive parents have had in the child's openness to become 'male'.

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    May 15, 2013 12:24 PM GMT
    For those who say: Doctor's should follow the oath and 'do no harm'. I doubt the physician intentionally thought 'let me screw this kid up', but hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

    Second, who says the couple is not looking for money? That's always a possibility. Sometimes it is even absurd what people sue for. Many say they weren't informed of ALL the potential complications...Jesus Christ, first of all, there is no way to prove they were not informed of ALL.

    Ok, let's say, in this case they are right. Now the kid is showing so called 'male behavior'. What if the kid is a lesbian?????? (I'm sure the 'understanding and loving' parents won't consider that because, in the end, it won't bring them money). So I dare the couple to sue and ask for a benefit for the kid only (and not monetary), education, health insurance, something that will benefit the kid. Ah, now THAT they won't likely do...why? Because again, there's no money in that.

    I do agree, however, with maybe waiting some time and letting the kid decide when he is older. Now that will take some years, and that same kid will have to endure abuse and mockery while in the showers in school and potentially end up making a big mistake. So it is a very delicate and fine line we walk on here.
    Think of this: the same child was going to be adopted. I believe the state and potentially the physician had good intentions when they thought: this kid is going to be adopted, and by leaving his sex indeterminate we lower his chances (and chances are low as it is).
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    May 15, 2013 1:47 PM GMT
    Percy_Davis saidSo, the reason they've decided he's a boy is because he has an interest in 'boy' things....

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    Vanderhagast saidFor those who say: Doctor's should follow the oath and 'do no harm'. I doubt the physician intentionally thought 'let me screw this kid up', but hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

    Second, who says the couple is not looking for money? ...Ok, let's say, in this case they are right. Now the kid is showing so called 'male behavior'. What if the kid is a lesbian...I believe the state and potentially the physician had good intentions when they thought: this kid is going to be adopted, and by leaving his sex indeterminate we lower his chances (and chances are low as it is).

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    Upon reading Percy, I also thought what Vander said about lesbian. But also what if hermaphrodite is simply a valid gender in itself?

    The parents are a shrink and stay home dad so I don't think this is about money, and even if that's part of this, I'd bet it's only for the kid's future psychological or medical needs which might have been caused by a decision made too early.

    I don't buy justifying such a life altering decision based upon convenience of adoption even if it makes some practical sense. I think in those rare cases you'd look for adoptive parents who can deal with the actual situation. Especially because regardless of surgery, there's obviously gonna be other issues.

    And even if the doctor had the best of intentions, a lawsuit is what would bring about policy & procedure changes.
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    May 16, 2013 3:27 AM GMT
    Pseudohermaphroditism is actually way more common than people think. If the fetus, genetically female (XX) is exposed to exogenous testosterone (commonly congenital adrenal hyperplasia or if the father was on exogenous testosterone that transmitted to the mother) then boom, you have a pseudohermaphrodite. Or the same if the fetus is male (XY) and has a problem at the level of the testosterone receptor, so that the tissues don't "see" the testosterone. And this could range from anything like clitoromegaly to something that actually looks like a penis in a female. Or in a male, you might get a scrotum that looks like labia or something like that.

    But of course, when do you operate and "choose" a gender? There's more and more evidence that estrogen exposure in utero is linked to so-called imprinting, which basically means that it molds a mind to be either female or male with the stereotypical behaviors and personalities. But when one of these kids is born, you have no way of knowing what the hell to do. I'm more of a proponent of letting the kid grow up and "decide" what they are because you can't change the genomic imprinting and the behaviors that were given to you in utero.

    It's really a problem of education, and that people (AKA the general population, other parents, other kids, etc.) are too quick to judge. Who knows, there could have been some complications with the kid's genitalia that required surgery.