Study: Plants Communicate with Each Other Via Underground Fungi

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    May 15, 2013 3:01 AM GMT
    I've always suspected this to be true: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/study-shows-plants-communicate-other-via-underground-fungi-211754050.html
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    May 15, 2013 4:37 PM GMT
    Everything is connected, the living and the living and the non living.
    Earth is one huge single living and breathing organism.
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    May 15, 2013 5:51 PM GMT
    Wouldn't that make vegetarianism and veganism cruel?
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    May 15, 2013 5:57 PM GMT
    aidenMaximus saidWouldn't that make vegetarianism and veganism cruel?


    Oops.
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    May 15, 2013 6:00 PM GMT
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    May 16, 2013 2:26 AM GMT
    aidenMaximus saidWouldn't that make vegetarianism and veganism cruel?

    I am hoping some vegetarians/vegans respond to this thread.
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    May 16, 2013 2:33 AM GMT
    I'm lactovegetarian and really don't see how this makes a difference. Eating plants makes you the secondary carbon fixer rather than the tertiary carbon fixer. It is currently considered healthier by the scientific community to be a vegetarian due to the absence of saturated fat in plants, absence of cholesterol, the increase in fiber (which reduces risk of colon cancer by increasing turnover of colonic contents and lowers cholesterol actively by binding bile, preventing reabsorption), and the increase in phytochemical content, and it is considered less wasteful to eat plants than to eat farmed animals, who have to be fed plants before you can eat the animal.

    Btw, mushrooms are fungi, and I eat them every night in my stir fry. My colonic flora love them, and my flora give me immunity.
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    May 16, 2013 2:56 AM GMT
    I am finding out good things about mushrooms. The contain potassium which is helpful with my diuretic. They also taste good and take on flavor nicely. Yum!
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    May 16, 2013 3:12 AM GMT
    aidenMaximus saidWouldn't that make vegetarianism and veganism cruel?


    I was waiting for someone to make this kind of statement. Because if someone agrees that plants are more aware than we thought, it gives people who are sociopathic about the torture of animals a free pass. I really don't see how you can compare what our factory animals go through to a plant. I DO think this should tell us to be respectful of any creature or plant that gave it's life for us to live. We have to eat something, but this does not have to include cruelty or a flippant attitude towards the thing that died for us to eat.
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    May 16, 2013 3:14 AM GMT
    bluey2223 saidI'm lactovegetarian and really don't see how this makes a difference. Eating plants makes you the secondary carbon fixer rather than the tertiary carbon fixer. It is currently considered healthier by the scientific community to be a vegetarian due to the absence of saturated fat in plants, absence of cholesterol, the increase in fiber (which reduces risk of colon cancer by increasing turnover of colonic contents and lowers cholesterol actively by binding bile, preventing reabsorption), and the increase in phytochemical content, and it is considered less wasteful to eat plants than to eat farmed animals, who have to be fed plants before you can eat the animal.

    Btw, mushrooms are fungi, and I eat them every night in my stir fry. My colonic flora love them, and my flora give me immunity.


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    May 16, 2013 3:19 AM GMT
    Harry7785 saidEverything is connected, the living and the living and the non living.
    Earth is one huge single living and breathing organism.

    I sometimes consider that possibility. I think it first came to me while looking over the forested hills below me, during a motorcycle trip I took to High Point, New Jersey in 1968. (Which also included borrowing another biker's jock when we went swimming, but I digress, another story for another time)

    Anyway, from the lookout point I saw miles of green trees spread before me, and at that distance they were like a growth on the hills, a continuous living organism. At that scale I wondered if all life was merely like a fungal growth on the Earth, much as a spoiled orange becomes covered in mold. And I thought does the Earth itself have a plan for life, of which we're all just a part?

    Well, stupid thoughts when you're only 19. And quickly forgotten when 2 other bikers wanted to me to swim with them, me without a suit in a public place, but invited to borrow some stuff that they had brought with them to make us all decent. I'm not sure which view more impressed me - the rolling hills, or their rolling balls.

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    May 16, 2013 5:48 AM GMT
    And recently some have suggested they communicate through sound.
  • HottJoe

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    May 16, 2013 6:13 AM GMT
    Plants like it when you talk and sing to them!
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    May 16, 2013 8:39 AM GMT
    lol I read PLANETS first. Disappointed icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 16, 2013 9:59 AM GMT
    bluey2223 saidI'm lactovegetarian and really don't see how this makes a difference. Eating plants makes you the secondary carbon fixer rather than the tertiary carbon fixer. It is currently considered healthier by the scientific community to be a vegetarian due to the absence of saturated fat in plants, absence of cholesterol, the increase in fiber (which reduces risk of colon cancer by increasing turnover of colonic contents and lowers cholesterol actively by binding bile, preventing reabsorption), and the increase in phytochemical content, and it is considered less wasteful to eat plants than to eat farmed animals, who have to be fed plants before you can eat the animal.

    Btw, mushrooms are fungi, and I eat them every night in my stir fry. My colonic flora love them, and my flora give me immunity.


    Just for the sake of argument : mushroom are secondary carbon fixer, they don't use photosynthesis, so eating them makes you a tertiary carbon fixer.
    Mushrooms are somewhere in between plants and animal, for example, they store energy on the form of glycogen, just like animals.
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    May 16, 2013 10:04 AM GMT
    Harry7785 saidEverything is connected, the living and the living and the non living.
    Earth is one huge single living and breathing organism.


    +1, as always your inputs are wise, short and to the point! I too believe that every earthly organism is a living breathing extension of everything else! I love plants!!!
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    May 16, 2013 10:46 AM GMT
    that is so cool icon_cool.gif
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    May 16, 2013 11:15 AM GMT
    What's the url or copy and paste some of the article/video.

    About a month or two ago, on PBS, there was a segment about tall trees communicating with their offspring, I think, through their roots. I think this thread may relate directly to that segment. I may have posted something on my facebook page because I was so impressed. When I get some time, I'll double check if I did. The point of the segment was that trees were more family/communal than the concept of non-communicative, stand-alone trees. It was presented as news (a find/discovery)--in the area of forestry, maybe.
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    May 16, 2013 4:34 PM GMT
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    bluey2223 saidI'm lactovegetarian and really don't see how this makes a difference. Eating plants makes you the secondary carbon fixer rather than the tertiary carbon fixer. It is currently considered healthier by the scientific community to be a vegetarian due to the absence of saturated fat in plants, absence of cholesterol, the increase in fiber (which reduces risk of colon cancer by increasing turnover of colonic contents and lowers cholesterol actively by binding bile, preventing reabsorption), and the increase in phytochemical content, and it is considered less wasteful to eat plants than to eat farmed animals, who have to be fed plants before you can eat the animal.

    Btw, mushrooms are fungi, and I eat them every night in my stir fry. My colonic flora love them, and my flora give me immunity.


    Just for the sake of argument : mushroom are secondary carbon fixer, they don't use photosynthesis, so eating them makes you a tertiary carbon fixer.
    Mushrooms are somewhere in between plants and animal, for example, they store energy on the form of glycogen, just like animals.


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    May 16, 2013 4:43 PM GMT
    Buddha saidlol I read PLANETS first. Disappointed icon_biggrin.gif


    You might enjoy reading up on the theory of panspermia.
  • Lincsbear

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    May 17, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
    Tolkien was right: the trees do talk to one another.

    See also the short story by Ursula le Guin, 'Vaster Than Empires and More Slow', in her collection, 'The Wind`s Twelve Quarters, Volume Two', Gollancz, 1975.
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    May 17, 2013 1:21 AM GMT
    Harry7785 saidEverything is connected, the living and the living and the non living.
    Earth is one huge single living and breathing organism.


    As a budding geologist and scientist in general I'll be the first to say it: that's fucking stupid. Do you also think that mineral crystals have "healing energies" and that there are hundreds of herbal remedies out there for cancer that are just being repressed by the government?

    Not to mention, Earth itself is (from the standpoint of geologic time) constantly creating new and oftentimes inventive ways to kill us all. If such changes in its arsenal happened any quicker or if we adapted any slower, it would be curtains for us.

    Forgive me, I'm on an extreme agitated-post spree tonight. I just discovered cold-press coffee and rediscovered my hatred of the movie Avatar.
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    May 17, 2013 1:38 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said^ You do sound bitchy, hun.

    And when it comes right down to it, you only have yourself to blame for rewatching Avatar.


    And rightfully so. I can buy that plants can communicate (I found the article fascinating), but Earth is not a giant living being. The Gaia Hypothesis (which is essentially what he referenced) is nothing but a metaphorical description of the processes that take place on in and around Earth. To go from "plants communicate" to "Earth is a living thing" is an enormously absurd logical leap.

    And I didn't rewatch the movie, his post simply reminded me of it.
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    Rhi_Bran said
    Harry7785 saidEverything is connected, the living and the living and the non living.
    Earth is one huge single living and breathing organism.


    As a budding geologist and scientist in general I'll be the first to say it: that's fucking stupid. Do you also think that mineral crystals have "healing energies" and that there are hundreds of herbal remedies out there for cancer that are just being repressed by the government?

    Not to mention, Earth itself is (from the standpoint of geologic time) constantly creating new and oftentimes inventive ways to kill us all. If such changes in its arsenal happened any quicker or if we adapted any slower, it would be curtains for us.



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    May 17, 2013 3:48 AM GMT
    "The new study says plants can connect with other via a common fungus known as mycorrhizae. "Mycorrhizal fungi need to get [products of photosynthesis] from the plant, and they have to do something for the plant," John Pickett of Rothamsted Research told the BBC.
    "In the past, we thought of them making nutrients available from the [roots and soil"
    ------from the article.


    Mycorrhizal fungi are like additional roots for the plant.

    The fungi surround and extend from the roots allowing for nutrient absorption far beyond the actual reach of the root system.

    And now we see that they 'talk'.

    Plants are AMAZING.