Egg, Banana, and Coconut: Are Gays More Racist?

  • WhoDey

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    May 16, 2013 5:08 AM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marten-weber/gay-racism_b_1295368.html
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    May 16, 2013 5:11 AM GMT
    Yes icon_confused.gif
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    May 16, 2013 5:12 AM GMT
    Yawwwwwnnnnn...

    Old news....
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    May 16, 2013 5:17 AM GMT
    what gets me is how you have these guys that are bold enough to say some racist shit then turn around calling it "preferences", in complete denial to acknowledge what it is. icon_lol.gif now if someone smacks you in the face or airs you out in front of the whole world for what you're saying, don't act all surprised or innocent like you're the victim. so tired of victimizers trying to be victims and then they wonder why they get NO respect. they don't deserve any.
  • O5vx

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    May 19, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
    A straight man may love, adore, or mistreat his girlfriend, but he never wants to be her. Most homosexuals find out about their propensities by falling for a guy they adore, envy, or desire to emulate. "Heterosexual roles are reciprocal, not reversible ... but homosexual roles are often redundant and a form of admiration or envy," Edmund White writes in his insightful biography of Jean Genet. "The first act of homosexual love, then, is impersonation."

    I think this is so true for many people. The need to emulate and become someone they think has something that they want is definitely pervasive in the among gay people than straight. Perhaps, that could be the underlying factor between gay people not wanting to be in a monogamy as much as straight people. As soon as they realize that the person does not meet the specification for that ideal figure they want to be, they simply move on to the next candidate in line. This theory would definitely be interesting to study and see the relationship between those.
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    May 19, 2013 4:13 PM GMT
    I so thought this thread was about a tropical smoothie....
  • O5vx

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    May 19, 2013 4:15 PM GMT
    BlackCat90 saidI so thought this thread was about a tropical smoothie....
    should start one about a tropical threadicon_smile.gif
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    May 19, 2013 4:53 PM GMT
    We get these threads so often I propose there be a new Forum entitled "Gay Racism" icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 19, 2013 4:59 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidWe get these threads so often I propose there be a new Forum entitled "Gay Racism" icon_rolleyes.gif
    ain't that the truth though? If it comes up very often, there must be some underlying truth to it.
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    May 19, 2013 5:11 PM GMT
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    Shit me, how many of these threads do you need?
    Done. With. This. Shit.
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    May 19, 2013 5:29 PM GMT
    O5vx said
    ART_DECO saidWe get these threads so often I propose there be a new Forum entitled "Gay Racism" icon_rolleyes.gif
    ain't that the truth though? If it comes up very often, there must be some underlying truth to it.

    Truth, or someone pushing that contentious agenda to make it perceived as a truth?

    But more like urban myth in my experience. Does some gay racism exist? Sure. So does ageism against me (and man do we see that here!), plus biases against fems, and bears, and fatties, and every manner of gay guy.

    But when I step back and look at the big picture, I see LESS racial prejudice occurring among gays than I see within the general population. Is ANY racism acceptable? Absolutely not!

    But I'm not gonna throw the baby out with the bathwater, just because we aren't totally perfect yet in our gay community. We're working on it, we're gonna get it right. We have a great record on equality, and we're gonna solve these problems, better than other segments of our society do.
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    May 19, 2013 5:48 PM GMT
    Hang on! First, while there was evidence of gay racism, there was NO evidence that gay racism exceeds hetro racism.

    Second, even if the anecdotes supplied are counted as evidence, why should it matter that gays want to bed only their own kind? I don't recall Dr. King announcing, "I have a dream, it is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that my four little children will one day have sex with people of every race, creed, and color in equal proportion to their representation in the population." Not hiring someone because of their race is obviously evil and illegal. Not wanting to sleep with someone because of their race isn't that different from not wanting to sleep with someone because they're short (or tall or fat or freckled, etc.). Do we have to sample the smorgasbord to avoid the accusation of racism?

    Third, even the genuine racism in the gay community can work to minorities advantage. For example, a man of oriental heritage who might not be stellar would probably have a better chance with a "rice queen" than with a member of his own race.

    Now, let the hate begin.
  • RaggedyMan

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    May 19, 2013 5:52 PM GMT
    BlackCat90 saidI so thought this thread was about a tropical smoothie....

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    May 19, 2013 6:08 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    O5vx said
    ART_DECO saidWe get these threads so often I propose there be a new Forum entitled "Gay Racism" icon_rolleyes.gif
    ain't that the truth though? If it comes up very often, there must be some underlying truth to it.

    Truth, or someone pushing that contentious agenda to make it perceived as a truth?

    But more like urban myth in my experience. Does some gay racism exist? Sure. So does ageism against me (and man do we see that here!), plus biases against fems, and bears, and fatties, and every manner of gay guy.

    But when I step back and look at the big picture, I see LESS racial prejudice occurring among gays than I see within the general population. Is ANY racism acceptable? Absolutely not!

    But I'm not gonna throw the baby out with the bathwater, just because we aren't totally perfect yet in our gay community. We're working on it, we're gonna get it right. We have a great record on equality, and we're gonna solve these problems, better than other segments of our society do.


    Love ya art,

    but no icon_neutral.gif
  • imbrad

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    May 19, 2013 6:13 PM GMT
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    With all this racist talk lately have none of the RJ gay's seen avenue Q?

    Everyone's a rittle bit lacists!
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    May 19, 2013 6:15 PM GMT
    Oh please. Gays aren't any more/less racist than straights. Only difference that I've noticed is gays are passive aggressive about their bias, while straights will try to hide/deny it.
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    May 19, 2013 6:21 PM GMT
    Dekiruman said
    ART_DECO said
    O5vx said
    ART_DECO saidWe get these threads so often I propose there be a new Forum entitled "Gay Racism" icon_rolleyes.gif
    ain't that the truth though? If it comes up very often, there must be some underlying truth to it.

    Truth, or someone pushing that contentious agenda to make it perceived as a truth?

    But more like urban myth in my experience. Does some gay racism exist? Sure. So does ageism against me (and man do we see that here!), plus biases against fems, and bears, and fatties, and every manner of gay guy.

    But when I step back and look at the big picture, I see LESS racial prejudice occurring among gays than I see within the general population. Is ANY racism acceptable? Absolutely not!

    But I'm not gonna throw the baby out with the bathwater, just because we aren't totally perfect yet in our gay community. We're working on it, we're gonna get it right. We have a great record on equality, and we're gonna solve these problems, better than other segments of our society do.

    Love ya art,

    but no icon_neutral.gif

    "No" being my contention? (Love you, too) Well, entirely subjective on my part, and if yours is as well, we reach an impasse.

    Still, I like my more optimistic outlook. And perhaps, if we share that belief, the prophesy may be fulfilled? In the Army we said we led by example. Maybe we need some good examples here.
  • imbrad

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    May 19, 2013 6:28 PM GMT
    Life would be boring without racism. People who believe in "color blindness" are delusional. A "PC" approach to life is pretty unimaginative and does not allow for people to find humor in their lives.
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    May 19, 2013 6:55 PM GMT
    imbrad saidLife would be boring without racism. People who believe in "color blindness" are delusional. A "PC" approach to life is pretty unimaginative and does not allow for people to find humor in their lives.

    Racism, or recognition?

    I can RECOGNIZE lots of things - your height, weight, gender, age, race, skin color, ethnicity, language, accent, eye color, etc, etc. I'm not blind or deaf, you know. But nor am I a PC slave.

    But RACISM means when race becomes a prejudicial factor in how I deal with you, and how you deal with me. Which is when we pre-judge each other before we've really gotten to know one another. Is that what you want?

    I used to advise a friend I had, not long out of the closet, who has this habit of working with a rigid template of what he wanted in a man. (I didn't fit it myself, BTW, I wasn't a millionaire like him, among other arbitrary things he demanded. icon_rolleyes.gif )

    And I kept telling him: "Judge each man as you find him". I don't think he ever really understood what I was saying, and he's still single today, years later. That template of his is gonna keep him single until the day he dies. icon_sad.gif
  • imbrad

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    May 19, 2013 7:06 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    imbrad saidLife would be boring without racism. People who believe in "color blindness" are delusional. A "PC" approach to life is pretty unimaginative and does not allow for people to find humor in their lives.

    Racism, or recognition?

    I can RECOGNIZE lots of things - your height, weight, gender, age, race, skin color, ethnicity, language, accent, eye color, etc, etc.

    But RACISM means when race becomes a prejudicial factor in how I deal with you, and how you deal with me. Which means we've pre-judged each other before we've really gotten to know one another. Is that what you want?

    I used to advise a friend I had, not long out of the closet, who has this habit of working with a rigid template of what he wanted in a man.

    And I kept telling him: "Judge each man as you find him". I don't think he ever really understood what I was saying, and he's still single today, years later.


    You can't recognize race without making some assumptions. It just doesn't happen that way. People assume things about me and I use humor to embrace those things. The people who REALLY matter know me beyond their own assumptions. There are unique attributes to different groups of people who have evolved together. Look at "gay culture" for instance. Many gays grew up outside their family among other gays and have forged speech patterns, style, taste etc together.

    My Asian family has attributes that are very different from my white family. Seeing these differences and idiosyncrasies is racist and I love it. Of course they are not expressed in a violent way but there is certainly a bias and it doesn't harm anyone.

    My black friends often act in a way that is a caricature of black stereotypes which stem in the south. Is this racist? YES! Is it beautiful? YES! My generation is leaning toward an embrace of very painful things which generations past have had to deal with. It how we remember our history and how we cope with difficult things.
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    May 19, 2013 7:16 PM GMT


    Egg, banana and coconut.....


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    ..with a lime glaze.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 19, 2013 7:47 PM GMT
    I don't know if gays are "more racist" although I suspect we are, but I do know from experience that racism where it occurs in the gay community is more intense than in the straight community, where bigotry tends to be softer among straights in my experience. Similarly, gays who are *not* racist are much more inclusive and accepting than their straight counterparts. It makes for a very interesting dichotomy: there are a great many gays who are virulently, proudly, and nakedly racist. Those who are not, however, tend to be very very open.

    I have seen very little middle ground -- that's why it seems sometimes that gays are more racist. So are gays more racist? I would say yes. But are gays more accepting? The answer to that question is also yes, haha.
  • Frostbitblue

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    May 19, 2013 7:54 PM GMT
    Gays are some of the worst discriminators against people with HIV as well. Just look at this web site. Can't believe they even ask people to post their HIV status. That is federally protected private health information that is nobody's business.
  • imbrad

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    May 19, 2013 8:03 PM GMT
    Frostbitblue saidGays are some of the worst discriminators against people with HIV as well. Just look at this web site. Can't believe they even ask people to post their HIV status. That is federally protected private health information that is nobody's business.


    don't have to post your status...
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    May 19, 2013 8:27 PM GMT
    To be quite honest, this doesn't surprise me. My best friend is White, Mr. Abercrombie boy and is a hit within the community...and he EVEN jokes that gay men are worst then neo-nazi's...whenever we go out guys are basically pulling their dicks out at the bar....then when they find out that me and him have been best friends since we were 12...their all like icon_confused.gif Thats pure ignorance, "why is this negro best friends with him" ...of course that's never been said, but facial reactions say a lot. I've also met tons of gays who just make racial jokes in general. Which I take as, I guess it makes you feel better about being homosexual. "I may be gay but at least I'm NOT Black" and other ignorance of the sort lol, I won't even get into to the "preferences vs racism" Another interesting thing I've observed however, is the education/maturity disparity in correlation to age. I've been blessed with being "Extremely Mature" for my age, it help me start my career immediately, everyone at work loves me and I am constantly told I'm either "super articulate for my age or my race" A negative by product of that though is me not being able to connect with many guys my age. I am sorry but most 20-something gay men I meet (of all races) are some of the most shallow, air headed, dick hungry people I've ever come across in my life.People who graduated from Georgetown yet can't conduct an intellectual conversation. SO SO SOOOO many homosexuals under 35..don't even remotely understand me, what I'm talking about, how could I not have sex, etc. But the older guys are much more open minded and understanding in regards to my asexuality...and are MUCH more willing to admit that yes, racism exist within the community (and we will just assume thats why I have no wrestling partner lol) and yes you do mature as you get older. I am very curious to see if there are any studies out there that correlates a gay man's age with the elasticity of his dating/racial preferences.