The Vet Who Did Not Vet

  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 25, 2008 9:58 PM GMT
    Too cute not to post:
  • silverfox

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    Oct 25, 2008 10:04 PM GMT
    That's the best. I've just sent it out to all my friends.

    Good job!
  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 25, 2008 10:05 PM GMT
    Oh and what is a hypocrite?
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    Oct 26, 2008 2:56 AM GMT
    Okay, I think I pooped a little. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 26, 2008 3:37 AM GMT
    Dude, that is awesome.
    Thanks for posting.
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    Oct 26, 2008 3:45 AM GMT
    that was tight...
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    Oct 26, 2008 4:26 AM GMT
    swimbikerun saidOh and what is a hypocrite?


    for the love of all that is holy just say yes, an abortion bomber is a freaking terrorist. who is gonna judge you for saying that?
    you're worried you are gonna lose votes for saying that somebody who blows up abortion clinics is a terrorist?

    i just don't get it.

    holy shit we should be scared.
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 26, 2008 1:18 PM GMT
    blinktwice4y said, "for the love of all that is holy just say yes, an abortion bomber is a freaking terrorist. who is gonna judge you for saying that?
    you're worried you are gonna lose votes for saying that somebody who blows up abortion clinics is a terrorist?

    i just don't get it.

    holy shit we should be scared."


    Actually, her hesitation is the point. She and her ilk think it's okay to blow up abortion clinics.
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    Oct 26, 2008 4:44 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said


    Actually, her hesitation is the point. She and her ilk think it's okay to blow up abortion clinics.


    Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think Sarah Palin is the right woman for the job when it comes to the VP of our nation, but let's take this in context. Except, that's nearly impossible to do, because the video cuts off before you are able to learn what the context is. If you watch a clip that continues past this one presented, you would start to realize her hesitation is on the definition of the word terrorist, and not related to abortion clinics. She is thinking of a national terrorist, or someone who is attacking the nation as a whole. The way I understand it, she's trying to clarify what is meant by the term terrorist.

    And the title of the video, "'I don't know' if abortion clinic bombers are terrorists" is also misleading, considearing those words never come out of her mouth, and it's in quotes.

    I'm sure that a small minority of "her ilk", as you put it, see no problem with blowing up abortion clinics, but a vast majority do not. Let's just not blow things out of proportion, on either side of the debate.
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 26, 2008 5:44 PM GMT
    dharnan said, " She is thinking of a national terrorist, or someone who is attacking the nation as a whole. The way I understand it, she's trying to clarify what is meant by the term terrorist."

    May God help you. A terrorist is a terrorist without any qualification other than an act of terror. It doesn't matter what level YOU try to define terrorism under. For example, Richard Jewel of the Atlanta Olympics Centennial Park bombing - that's terrorism. Did his act affect the country as a whole? No. Is it terrorism? Yes.
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 26, 2008 5:57 PM GMT



    Here's more of the interview. She always defaults the question to Bill Ayers and although she says it's not acceptable to bomb abortion clinics, she refuses to acknowledge that bombing abortion clinics are acts of terrorism.


    So thank you for your misinformation, dharnan: "If you watch a clip that continues past this one presented, you would start to realize her hesitation is on the definition of the word terrorist, and not related to abortion clinics." Fact checking you has been a treat. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 26, 2008 7:10 PM GMT
    dharnan said
    coolarmydude said


    Actually, her hesitation is the point. She and her ilk think it's okay to blow up abortion clinics.


    Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think Sarah Palin is the right woman for the job when it comes to the VP of our nation, but let's take this in context. Except, that's nearly impossible to do, because the video cuts off before you are able to learn what the context is. If you watch a clip that continues past this one presented, you would start to realize her hesitation is on the definition of the word terrorist, and not related to abortion clinics. She is thinking of a national terrorist, or someone who is attacking the nation as a whole. The way I understand it, she's trying to clarify what is meant by the term terrorist.

    And the title of the video, "'I don't know' if abortion clinic bombers are terrorists" is also misleading, considearing those words never come out of her mouth, and it's in quotes.

    I'm sure that a small minority of "her ilk", as you put it, see no problem with blowing up abortion clinics, but a vast majority do not. Let's just not blow things out of proportion, on either side of the debate.

    Let's go with this definition of a terrorist:
    the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

    And by that definition anyone who terrorizes in a terrorist regardless of whether they practice it on a national, regional or local scale. You are taking things out of context as well in that she never makes any locale distinction with regards to her definition of a terrorist. You added that.
    And shame on you for acting as an apologist for someone who can't recognize that someone who terrorizes is a terrorist regardless of where that takes place.
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    Oct 26, 2008 11:57 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidYou are taking things out of context as well in that she never makes any locale distinction with regards to her definition of a terrorist. You added that.
    And shame on you for acting as an apologist for someone who can't recognize that someone who terrorizes is a terrorist regardless of where that takes place.


    First off, I'm not trying to defend any specific definition of the word terrorist. Rather, I'm trying to clarify perhaps what was running through Palin's head during this interview.

    "I would put in that category... anyone who would seek to campaign to destroy our United States Capitol and our Pentagon and would seek to destroy innocent Americans."

    From this statement, it seems to me she's relating the term terrorism in this context to an act against America as a whole (whether specifically public buildings or individuals) rather than against individual groups or their property. I will agree however, that her choice of words is somewhat ambiguous.
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    Oct 27, 2008 1:09 AM GMT
    This was pretty good too.

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    Oct 27, 2008 1:20 AM GMT
    that is cute!
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 27, 2008 1:24 AM GMT
    dharnan said, "From this statement, it seems to me she's relating the term terrorism in this context to an act against America as a whole (whether specifically public buildings or individuals) rather than against individual groups or their property. I will agree however, that her choice of words is somewhat ambiguous."


    The question was asked about whether someone who blows up abortion clinics could be considered a terrorist. Twice she was asked and twice she dodged the question. Look at the video I posted and you will see it for yourself instead of pretending that she was thinking of something else. Or are you dodging the issue too?
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 27, 2008 1:29 AM GMT
    HAHAHA! Luv it. I can see it now: "W" the musical. icon_lol.gif

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  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 27, 2008 1:54 AM GMT
    dharnan saidFirst off, I'm not trying to defend any specific definition of the word terrorist. Rather, I'm trying to clarify perhaps what was running through Palin's head during this interview.


    Who are you to "clarify" what someone is thinking, especially someone you've never even met (I presume)? Are you a mind reader?

    dharnan said
    Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think Sarah Palin is the right woman for the job when it comes to the VP of our nation, but let's take this in context.

    Can't you see that speaking for someone, anyone, especially someone you've never met is the very definition of taking something out of context?
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    Oct 27, 2008 2:27 PM GMT
    swimbikerun said
    dharnan saidFirst off, I'm not trying to defend any specific definition of the word terrorist. Rather, I'm trying to clarify perhaps what was running through Palin's head during this interview.


    Who are you to "clarify" what someone is thinking, especially someone you've never even met (I presume)? Are you a mind reader?

    dharnan said
    Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think Sarah Palin is the right woman for the job when it comes to the VP of our nation, but let's take this in context.

    Can't you see that speaking for someone, anyone, especially someone you've never met is the very definition of taking something out of context?



    its amazing that more people aren't as pissed off/scared as cafferty.
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    Oct 27, 2008 10:45 PM GMT
    swimbikerun said
    Who are you to "clarify" what someone is thinking, especially someone you've never even met (I presume)? Are you a mind reader?

    Can't you see that speaking for someone, anyone, especially someone you've never met is the very definition of taking something out of context?


    By this definition, anyone here who doesn't know Sarah Palin personally can say nothing to the intention of her words. I'm not speaking FOR her, but am simply trying to explain my own understanding.

    I'm sorry that I didn't realize that this is apparently wrong. I think that my real problem here is that the first video was cut off short, thereby making the issue at hand seem a lot more one sided that I take it to be.
  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 28, 2008 1:19 AM GMT
    dharnan said
    swimbikerun said
    Who are you to "clarify" what someone is thinking, especially someone you've never even met (I presume)? Are you a mind reader?

    Can't you see that speaking for someone, anyone, especially someone you've never met is the very definition of taking something out of context?


    By this definition, anyone here who doesn't know Sarah Palin personally can say nothing to the intention of her words. I'm not speaking FOR her, but am simply trying to explain my own understanding.

    I'm sorry that I didn't realize that this is apparently wrong. I think that my real problem here is that the first video was cut off short, thereby making the issue at hand seem a lot more one sided that I take it to be.

    Ah ok, I didn't mean to be so harsh. Here's a smiley faceicon_razz.gif
    Anyway, I can't really see what difference it should make to anyone the reasons behind someone engaging in terrorism. Palin simply wants to be able to freely throw the label around to suit her needs and it loses effect when applied fairly.
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    Oct 28, 2008 1:21 AM GMT
    here's another one icon_biggrin.gif
  • tailgaytor

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    Oct 28, 2008 2:44 AM GMT
    I systematically went through all the videos, all 29 of them, I believe. Several cute and some were confusing. But there was Cafferty's piece. Everyone needs to find it and watch it.

    While I wasn't much of a McCain fan just because he seemed like another model of Bush, I never found anything too upsetting. That was until i heard Cafferty. I believe McCain's attendance to such a group's meeting is indicative of a his tolerance for those who might perpetuate hate and voilence in the name of some holy cause of the right...anti abortion and anti gay.
  • tailgaytor

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    Oct 28, 2008 2:54 AM GMT
    Sorry dudes...it wasn't Cafferty, it was the piece from msn...what's that guy's name???
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    Oct 28, 2008 1:32 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidAh ok, I didn't mean to be so harsh. Here's a smiley faceicon_razz.gif


    Thanks guys icon_smile.gif
    You just made me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside. icon_surprised.gif

    I feel like this is kind of like when your mom makes you hug the sibling with whom you had a fight, to make up. Doesn't it feel good?