Washington Post: the "scandals" are looking less scandalous every day

  • TroyAthlete

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    May 16, 2013 8:34 PM GMT
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/16/the-scandals-are-falling-apart/On Tuesday, it looked like we had three possible political scandals brewing. Two days later, with much more evidence available, it doesn’t look like any of them will pan out. There’ll be more hearings, and more bad press for the Obama administration, and more demands for documents. But — and this is a key qualification — absent more revelations, the scandals that could reach high don’t seem to include any real wrongdoing...

    1) The Internal Revenue Service: The IRS mess was, well, a mess. But it’s not a mess that implicates the White House, or even senior IRS leadership...

    If new information emerges showing a connection between the Determination Unit’s decisions and the Obama campaign, or the Obama administration...That would be a genuine scandal. But the IG report says that there’s no evidence of that. And so it’s hard to see where this one goes from here.

    2) Benghazi: We’re long past the point where it’s obvious what the Benghazi scandal is supposed to be about. The inquiry has moved on from the events in Benghazi proper, tragic as they were, to the talking points about the events in Benghazi. And the release Wednesday night of 100 pages of internal e-mails on those talking points seems to show what my colleague Glenn Kessler suspected: This was a bureaucratic knife fight between the State Department and the CIA....

    So far, it’s hard to see what, exactly, the scandal here is supposed to be.

    3) 3) AP/Justice Department:. This is the weirdest of the three. There’s no evidence that the DoJ did anything illegal. Most people, in fact, think it was well within its rights to seize the phone records of Associated Press reporters...

    Insofar as there’s a “scandal” here, it’s more about what is legal than what isn’t. The DoJ simply has extraordinary power, under existing law, to spy on ordinary citizens — members of the media included. The White House is trying to change existing law by encouraging Sen. Chuck Schumer to reintroduce the Media Shield Act...Still, that legislation has been killed by Republicans before, and it’s likely to be killed by them again.


    Once again Republicans blew their wad too early.
  • musclmed

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    May 16, 2013 8:38 PM GMT
    sorry its bothering you so much.

    I do enjoy Ezra Klein every time he is on MSNBC.
    and his BLOG, which this is a BLOG.

    He is the brains behind the Journal - LIST, a private group of left leaning journalist who coordinated stories to further the cause.

    It was disbanded in 2010 after many of the emails chronicled how members conspired to kill the Rev Wright story because it was hurting candidate Obama.

    He has no credibility.
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    May 16, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/16/the-scandals-are-falling-apart/On Tuesday, it looked like we had three possible political scandals brewing. Two days later, with much more evidence available, it doesn’t look like any of them will pan out. There’ll be more hearings, and more bad press for the Obama administration, and more demands for documents. But — and this is a key qualification — absent more revelations, the scandals that could reach high don’t seem to include any real wrongdoing...

    1) The Internal Revenue Service: The IRS mess was, well, a mess. But it’s not a mess that implicates the White House, or even senior IRS leadership...

    If new information emerges showing a connection between the Determination Unit’s decisions and the Obama campaign, or the Obama administration...That would be a genuine scandal. But the IG report says that there’s no evidence of that. And so it’s hard to see where this one goes from here.

    2) Benghazi: We’re long past the point where it’s obvious what the Benghazi scandal is supposed to be about. The inquiry has moved on from the events in Benghazi proper, tragic as they were, to the talking points about the events in Benghazi. And the release Wednesday night of 100 pages of internal e-mails on those talking points seems to show what my colleague Glenn Kessler suspected: This was a bureaucratic knife fight between the State Department and the CIA....

    So far, it’s hard to see what, exactly, the scandal here is supposed to be.

    3) 3) AP/Justice Department:. This is the weirdest of the three. There’s no evidence that the DoJ did anything illegal. Most people, in fact, think it was well within its rights to seize the phone records of Associated Press reporters...

    Insofar as there’s a “scandal” here, it’s more about what is legal than what isn’t. The DoJ simply has extraordinary power, under existing law, to spy on ordinary citizens — members of the media included. The White House is trying to change existing law by encouraging Sen. Chuck Schumer to reintroduce the Media Shield Act...Still, that legislation has been killed by Republicans before, and it’s likely to be killed by them again.


    Once again Republicans blew their wad too early.


    A bit more breezy than I feel, but matched my views on the substance almost exactly.

    If the IRS scandal turns out to reach into the White House, all bets are off. We'll see. It has so much traction partially becuase EVERYONE hates the IRS.

    Benghazi is a pile of nothing

    AP - well, the press is pushing it because they hate what happened. Journalists want to have a complete privilege, but as far as I recall from Con Law in law school, that's not what the Constitutional jurisprudence gives them, or has ever given them.
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    May 16, 2013 8:50 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    Once again Republicans blew their wad too early.

    Including a few dedicated Obama haters on RJ, who were spamming this crap faster than anyone humanly could do on their own, from providers outside this site. I think at least one of these guys has been seriously busted, for overreaching beyond credibility. His handlers need to reevaluate his usefulness here. icon_razz.gif
  • musclmed

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    May 16, 2013 9:04 PM GMT
    showme said
    TroyAthlete said
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/16/the-scandals-are-falling-apart/On Tuesday, it looked like we had three possible political scandals brewing. Two days later, with much more evidence available, it doesn’t look like any of them will pan out. There’ll be more hearings, and more bad press for the Obama administration, and more demands for documents. But — and this is a key qualification — absent more revelations, the scandals that could reach high don’t seem to include any real wrongdoing...



    Benghazi is a pile of nothing

    AP - well, the press is pushing it because they hate what happened. Journalists want to have a complete privilege, but as far as I recall from Con Law in law school, that's not what the Constitutional jurisprudence gives them, or has ever given them.



    you maybe right , but the Last person you want to have compile this data is Ezra Klein, given how his group conspired to deep six stories that would hurt Obama , he hardly has the credibility as journalist.

    I guess if he keeps writing in his Blog , someone may start adopting the ideas. But facts are still coming out.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 16, 2013 9:08 PM GMT
    musclmed saidsorry its bothering you so much.


    Why? I'm not at all sorry that you can't stand the fact that I won't let Republican lies, spam, and disinformation go unchallenged.

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    May 16, 2013 9:25 PM GMT
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    musclmed saidsorry its bothering you so much.


    Why? I'm not at all sorry that you can't stand the fact that I won't let Republican lies, spam, and disinformation go unchallenged.

    Wait one second, if you take away republican lies, spam and disinformation, all you will have left are brainless, idiotic, walking talking morons. Oh my god, it is the zombie apocalypse, except in blue suits and red ties.
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    May 16, 2013 9:35 PM GMT
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    TroyAthlete said
    musclmed saidsorry its bothering you so much.


    Why? I'm not at all sorry that you can't stand the fact that I won't let Republican lies, spam, and disinformation go unchallenged.

    Wait one second, if you take away republican lies, spam and disinformation, all you will have left are brainless, idiotic, walking talking morons. Oh my god, it is the zombie apocalypse, except in blue suits and red ties.


    Don't forget the flag pins.
  • HottJoe

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    May 16, 2013 9:43 PM GMT
    Having a free press is in the bill of rights. I think the DOJ did cross the line. The press has always played a role in democracy, and if the government can monitor them before they get their stories out it will corrupt the system. Ultimately having a press under the government's thumb makes us less capable of governing ourselves and therefore less free.
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    May 16, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
    showme said
    smartmoney said
    TroyAthlete said
    musclmed saidsorry its bothering you so much.


    Why? I'm not at all sorry that you can't stand the fact that I won't let Republican lies, spam, and disinformation go unchallenged.

    Wait one second, if you take away republican lies, spam and disinformation, all you will have left are brainless, idiotic, walking talking morons. Oh my god, it is the zombie apocalypse, except in blue suits and red ties.

    Don't forget the flag pins.

    Yeah, a flag lapel pin makes them patriots. Equal to the armless & legless military veterans they sent into needless wars.

    HOORAY!!! Look at this lapel flag pin I wear! It means I think you should die or be maimed for my senseless neo-con objectives. But don't expect any help when you return home, because I've underfunded the Veterans Administration, part of my deficit reduction plan. We have the money to let you die for us, but being disabled if you survive is too costly to fund.
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    May 16, 2013 9:51 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidHaving a free press is in the bill of rights. I think the DOJ did cross the line. The press has always played a role in democracy, and if the government can monitor them before they get their stories out it will corrupt the system. Ultimately having a press under the government's thumb makes us less capable of governing ourselves and therefore less free.


    Actually, a free press is guaranteed, but that doesn't mean there's an unqualified journalist's privilege under the Constitution.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 17, 2013 12:38 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidHaving a free press is in the bill of rights. I think the DOJ did cross the line. The press has always played a role in democracy, and if the government can monitor them before they get their stories out it will corrupt the system. Ultimately having a press under the government's thumb makes us less capable of governing ourselves and therefore less free.


    The government's imperative to keep the country safe and secure is in the Constitution as well. I personally think the American press is full of crap: it is no longer a "free press" but a press concerned only with making money and cozying up to government. The corporate media rubs elbows day and night with lobbyists and politicos -- I think it is completely disingenuous of them to try to use the independence they have long since abdicated as cover to put American troops, diplomats, and intelligence workers around the world at risk.

    But I'm used to being in the minority among Democrats when it comes to national security issues. I can certainly see why those with a strong libertarian streak would feel differently, but I personally will not be weeping for the AP.
  • creature

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    May 17, 2013 11:12 PM GMT
    I agree with the article. Seems like this is giving Republicans an excuse not to focus on what's important, like jobs.
  • GQjock

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    May 18, 2013 3:30 PM GMT
    It's the republican clown car brigade

    Without fabricated scandals and they ARE for the most part fabricated or attempts to implicate the White House things they did not do

    Without them the republicans will have to face the people and explain the Sh*t that had had done

    Filibustering the Senate until goverment cannot function
    Repealing the same bill thirty seven times to the cost of millions for the taxpayers
    Doing less legislatively than any congress in the history of the United States
    Filibustering a guncontrol measure that had 90% backing from the American public
    There's much more but I'm tired of typing
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    May 19, 2013 5:38 AM GMT
    creature saidI agree with the article. Seems like this is giving Republicans an excuse not to focus on what's important, like jobs.


    Unfortunately for Republicans, a majority of Americans are like you: the see through these silly partisan right-wing games. Republicans are a joke.
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    May 19, 2013 6:53 AM GMT
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    creature saidI agree with the article. Seems like this is giving Republicans an excuse not to focus on what's important, like jobs.


    Unfortunately for Republicans, a majority of Americans are like you: the see through these silly partisan right-wing games. Republicans are a joke.


    And I suppose you're not a partisan left winger? Hypocrite !
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 19, 2013 12:44 PM GMT
    GQjock saidIt's the republican clown car brigade



    Also known as the Republican Party. :-P
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    GQjock saidIt's the republican clown car brigade



    Also known as the Republican Party. :-P


    You have sumthin against the Republican party?
  • musclmed

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    May 19, 2013 4:03 PM GMT
    I anticipate Ezra Klein's blog when the second IG report comes out for the IRS.

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    May 19, 2013 4:44 PM GMT
    musclmed saidI anticipate Ezra Klein's blog when the second IG report comes out for the IRS.


    Why? To find out what?
  • musclmed

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    May 19, 2013 4:47 PM GMT
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    musclmed saidI anticipate Ezra Klein's blog when the second IG report comes out for the IRS.


    Why? To find out what?


    as above Ezra Klein is very left . He orchestrated a media USENET list to coordinate ways the media could put out favorable press for Obama.

    the IG is investigating who and when in the IRS scandal. Right now we dont know . Lets see how he spins it.
  • rnch

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    May 19, 2013 4:52 PM GMT
    Musclmed, Freedom, Southbitch and all their ilk are just making the victory margain for Ms. Clinton all the more greater in 2016.

    Keep up the stupidity-in-actions, bois....ya'll are doing just fine.



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  • musclmed

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    May 19, 2013 5:15 PM GMT
    ILK?

    are you the sort of ilk that never posts a fact or makes a point?
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 19, 2013 5:59 PM GMT
    rnch saidMusclmed, Freedom, Southbitch and all their ilk are just making the victory margain for Ms. Clinton all the more greater in 2016.

    Keep up the stupidity-in-actions, bois....ya'll are doing just fine.


    Obama's poll numbers have risen in Gallup AND in CNN tracking since Republicans started this witch hunt.

    Keep it up, right-wingers: they country is sick of you. Hahaha.
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    May 19, 2013 6:09 PM GMT
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    rnch saidMusclmed, Freedom, Southbitch and all their ilk are just making the victory margain for Ms. Clinton all the more greater in 2016.

    Keep up the stupidity-in-actions, bois....ya'll are doing just fine.


    Obama's poll numbers have risen in Gallup AND in CNN tracking since Republicans started this witch hunt.

    Keep it up, right-wingers: they country is sick of you. Hahaha.


    Put on quite a few pound didn't you sweetheart since you did this one.



    Back to the gym for you bitch. Maybe it will also help you with that vitriol problem of yours.