Hackers From China Resume Attacks on U.S. Targets

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    May 22, 2013 1:06 AM GMT
    Three months after hackers working for a cyberunit of China’s People’s Liberation Army went silent amid evidence that they had stolen data from scores of American companies and government agencies, they appear to have resumed their attacks using different techniques, according to computer industry security experts and American officials.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/world/asia/chinese-hackers-resume-attacks-on-us-targets.html?_r=0
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    May 22, 2013 3:13 AM GMT
    MAKE THEM HURT.

    It would be better for us to retaliate now on a small scale than to allow this to continue, for the Chinese gov't to gain a military advantage, and then to be forced to have a military confrontation.

    It is time for a limited trade embargo, one that is enough to make them back down.
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    May 22, 2013 3:16 AM GMT
    In a related matter, the American and Canadian internet trolls who are paid to post by the Chinese gov't NEED TO BE SHOT.

    Literally, no warning shots.
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    May 22, 2013 4:09 AM GMT
    blazerblue saidIn a related matter, the American and Canadian internet trolls who are paid to post by the Chinese gov't NEED TO BE SHOT.

    Literally, no warning shots.


    And idiots like you who revel in paranoia deserve to be laughed at. Literally. As they have been in the past icon_lol.gif
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    May 22, 2013 7:54 AM GMT
    blazerblue saidIn a related matter, the American and Canadian internet trolls who are paid to post by the Chinese gov't NEED TO BE SHOT.

    Literally, no warning shots.


    Ignorant batshit-crazy people like you are a bigger threat to United States than Chinese hackers.
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    May 22, 2013 2:50 PM GMT
    The main problem as well is that China has increasingly bought the US debt for one main reason to help depress the value of its currency (the yuan). A cheaper yuan makes the country's exports less expensive for foreign buyers, thereby keeping the country’s export-based economy chugging along. Consequently, the Chinese economy would suffer as much, if not more than, that of the United States if China were to suddenly stop buying U.S. debt.

    This is why is interesting how the Obama or any other administration does not tackle this issue as well, if we really want for China to stop attacking infrastructure let's attack their currency.
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    May 22, 2013 2:50 PM GMT
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    blazerblue saidIn a related matter, the American and Canadian internet trolls who are paid to post by the Chinese gov't NEED TO BE SHOT.

    Literally, no warning shots.


    And idiots like you who revel in paranoia deserve to be laughed at. Literally. As they have been in the past icon_lol.gif


    Blazerblue, while I appreciate you pwning Riddler (the topic where he admitted gun control laws do work was a classic), I take great exception to this post.

    That's truly horrible and I'm rather appalled to read this.

    I understand how it must feel to have someone constantly bombard this place with an agenda that does no one any good, but you don't have to take them seriously (case in point; I mentioned FTWs being examined all over social media and Riddler promptly sneered at social media, which is ironic seeing as he is here posting on social media - Realjock- as though he expects to be taken seriously, lol).

    Posting that people posting with an agenda counter to what many consider good should be shot is pretty horrible stuff and diminishes credibility.

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    May 22, 2013 2:55 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    riddler78 said
    blazerblue saidIn a related matter, the American and Canadian internet trolls who are paid to post by the Chinese gov't NEED TO BE SHOT.

    Literally, no warning shots.


    And idiots like you who revel in paranoia deserve to be laughed at. Literally. As they have been in the past icon_lol.gif


    Blazerblue, while I appreciate you pwning Riddler (the topic where he admitted gun control laws do work was a classic), I take great exception to this post.

    That's truly horrible and I'm rather appalled to read this.

    I understand how it must feel to have someone constantly bombard this place with an agenda that does no one any good, but you don't have to take them seriously (case in point; I mentioned FTWs being examined all over social media and Riddler promptly sneered at social media, which is ironic seeing as he is here posting on social media - Realjock- as though he expects to be taken seriously, lol).

    Posting that people posting with an agenda counter to what many consider good should be shot is pretty horrible stuff and diminishes credibility.



    Said one troll to blazerblue icon_rolleyes.gif. The irony is palpable considering I've never actually sought credibility. That you are so myopic as to not bother looking at other links other than politics speaks once again to your stupidity and points to why you've been so unsuccessful at building any credibility yourself on many of these issues of substance.
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    May 22, 2013 2:57 PM GMT
    uombroca saidThe main problem as well is that China has increasingly bought the US debt for one main reason to help depress the value of its currency (the yuan). A cheaper yuan makes the country's exports less expensive for foreign buyers, thereby keeping the country’s export-based economy chugging along. Consequently, the Chinese economy would suffer as much, if not more than, that of the United States if China were to suddenly stop buying U.S. debt.

    This is why is interesting how the Obama or any other administration does not tackle this issue as well, if we really want for China to stop attacking infrastructure let's attack their currency.


    Although it still owns a huge chunk of US debt, China has been flogging a lot of it in the last couple of years. It is now only just ahead of Japan as the biggest foreign holder of US Treasury securities.

    http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt
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    riddler said, "The irony is palpable considering I've never actually sought credibility. That you are so myopic as to not bother looking at other links other than politics speaks once again to your stupidity and points to why you've been so unsuccessful at building any credibility yourself on many of these issues of substance."

    This post of yours that I am quoting, riddler, is an example of you seeking credibility.

    However, if you are NOT seeking credibility then everyone should simply discredit this post of yours that I just quoted.

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    May 22, 2013 3:03 PM GMT
    America can always use a distraction before it begins meddling in the affairs of others.
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    May 22, 2013 3:03 PM GMT
    If the US were in a less vulnerable position economically, China's hacking would be declared an act of war, we would withdraw our ambassador for "consultations," and their ambassador would be read the riot act. Given our present precarious predicament, we're stuck mouthing mealy mouthed complaints.
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    May 22, 2013 3:05 PM GMT
    thatirishbastard saidAmerica can always use a distraction before it begins meddling in the affairs of others.


    What are you trying to say? Are you actually arguing that complaining about Chinese intrusions into American computers is actually American aggression against China?
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    May 22, 2013 3:06 PM GMT
    swimguychicago saidIf the US were in a less vulnerable position economically, China's hacking would be declared an act of war, we would withdraw our ambassador for "consultations," and their ambassador would be read the riot act. Given our present precarious predicament, we're stuck mouthing mealy mouthed complaints.


    Poor America. You really have it tough economically. How much did Americans spend to go see Iron Man 3 again?
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    May 22, 2013 3:07 PM GMT
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    riddler said, "The irony is palpable considering I've never actually sought credibility. That you are so myopic as to not bother looking at other links other than politics speaks once again to your stupidity and points to why you've been so unsuccessful at building any credibility yourself on many of these issues of substance."

    This post of yours that I am quoting, riddler, is an example of you seeking credibility.

    However, if you are NOT seeking credibility then everyone should simply discredit this post of yours that I just quoted.



    Heh - so said the buffoon. Once again, you're trying to be too clever by half - it is making you look absurdly stupid, but do, please go on. icon_wink.gif
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    May 22, 2013 3:09 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    riddler said, "The irony is palpable considering I've never actually sought credibility. That you are so myopic as to not bother looking at other links other than politics speaks once again to your stupidity and points to why you've been so unsuccessful at building any credibility yourself on many of these issues of substance."

    This post of yours that I am quoting, riddler, is an example of you seeking credibility.

    However, if you are NOT seeking credibility then everyone should simply discredit this post of yours that I just quoted.



    Heh - so said the buffoon. Once again, you're trying to be too clever by half - it is making you look absurdly stupid, but do, please go on. icon_wink.gif


    *reads riddler's post, gives it no credibility as he's stated he's not here on RJ to be taken seriously*
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    May 22, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidThree months after hackers working for a cyberunit of China’s People’s Liberation Army went silent amid evidence that they had stolen data from scores of American companies and government agencies, they appear to have resumed their attacks using different techniques, according to computer industry security experts and American officials.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/world/asia/chinese-hackers-resume-attacks-on-us-targets.html?_r=0


    Purportedly. Is there any evidence besides the opinions of "officials"? Because it wouldn't be the first time the U.S. has made false claims in order to go to war with ulterior motives. And with China attempting to cut ties with the U.S. and its debt, it would be too well timed to be an accident for this to happen now.
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    May 22, 2013 3:13 PM GMT
    swimguychicago said
    thatirishbastard saidAmerica can always use a distraction before it begins meddling in the affairs of others.


    What are you trying to say? Are you actually arguing that complaining about Chinese intrusions into American computers is actually American aggression against China?


    I'm saying that the whole "No one should touch America's stuff but America can blow up anyone else" mentality is supremely stupid.
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    May 22, 2013 3:14 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    meninlove said

    riddler said, "The irony is palpable considering I've never actually sought credibility. That you are so myopic as to not bother looking at other links other than politics speaks once again to your stupidity and points to why you've been so unsuccessful at building any credibility yourself on many of these issues of substance."

    This post of yours that I am quoting, riddler, is an example of you seeking credibility.

    However, if you are NOT seeking credibility then everyone should simply discredit this post of yours that I just quoted.



    Heh - so said the buffoon. Once again, you're trying to be too clever by half - it is making you look absurdly stupid, but do, please go on. icon_wink.gif


    *reads riddler's post, gives it no credibility as he's stated he's not here on RJ to be taken seriously*


    icon_lol.gif Once again laughing at meninlove's inability to read.
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    May 22, 2013 3:15 PM GMT
    swimguychicago saidIf the US were in a less vulnerable position economically, China's hacking would be declared an act of war, we would withdraw our ambassador for "consultations," and their ambassador would be read the riot act. Given our present precarious predicament, we're stuck mouthing mealy mouthed complaints.


    Don't worry, the economic situation is precisely why the U.S. will use any plausible reason to go to war with China. After all, there are few things in this world that pay as well as war does. You get the resources of the occupied land AND manage to undermine the sovereignty of the rulers of the land, what's not to like?

    God forbid people forget that this is precisely what the U.S. did with the imaginary weapons of mass destruction. The result was a ten+ year war with no end in sight, besides any real justice.
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    May 22, 2013 3:27 PM GMT
    China appears to have lost its ancient knack for innovation and now seems to expend most of its industrial effort ripping-off the intellectual property of other industrialized nations. When legitimate companies take their complaints to the Chinese courts, the courts simply rule there has been no breach of intellectual property rights.

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    May 22, 2013 3:35 PM GMT
    Using your ignorance as the foundation for your attempts to paint China as this radical scary country is kind of funny to anyone who has actually been there, or has some knowledge of the geopolitics.

    First, as a starting point for enforcement:
    http://www.chinalawblog.com/2013/04/china-intellectual-property-law-a-radio-interview-or-intellectual-property-rights-day.html

    Second, China's lack of innovation goes back to their form of government and politics. It's ironic that you often espouse and sympathize with similar ideologies that have led to their playing a much more diminished role in the world over the historical role India and China have played.
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    May 22, 2013 4:17 PM GMT
    riddler78 said It's ironic that you often espouse and sympathize with similar ideologies that have led to their playing a much more diminished role in the world over the historical role India and China have played.

    Really? Like when?

    China's IP protection enforcement may be improving, but they don't appear to be in any hurry.

    China's government-sponsored search-engine, Baidu, is a notorious pirated goods market.

    You can bet that if you created a 'Free Tibet' website in China, it would be taken down within hours (and you'd probably be arrested). Market rip-off goods via their government-sponsored search-engine, however, and you'll be fine.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12605067
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    riddler78 said It's ironic that you often espouse and sympathize with similar ideologies that have led to their playing a much more diminished role in the world over the historical role India and China have played.

    Really? Like when?

    China's IP protection enforcement may be improving, but they don't appear to be in any hurry.

    China's government-sponsored search-engine, Baidu, is a notorious pirated goods market.

    You can bet that if you created a 'Free Tibet' website in China, it would be taken down within hours (and you'd probably be arrested). Market rip-off goods via their government-sponsored search-engine, however, and you'll be fine.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12605067


    Again you might bother to actually familiarize yourself with how the landscape in China is changing. But beyond this, there are developing innovators (and the two issues are linked):

    http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/22/made-for-the-world-built-and-designed-in-china/
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    May 22, 2013 8:13 PM GMT
    You know the U.S. spies and has been spying on it's enemies, it's "friends" (including China), and allies probably since it existed, but especially since WWII. With as many highly sophisticated and secretive intelligence agencies as the U.S. currently wields, we probably carry out similar hacking attacks against China all the time, but since their government controls the media and would prefer to not look vulnerable they don't bother making it public.