Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Session

  • metta

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    May 22, 2013 1:20 AM GMT
    Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Session

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2013/05/atheist_carl_sagan_juan_mendez_state_lawmaker_quotes_carl_sagan_instead_of_doing_prayer_before_house_session.php
  • creature

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    May 22, 2013 2:04 AM GMT
    That's really awesome. He did it in Arizona which makes it even better!
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    May 22, 2013 12:58 PM GMT
    Surprised he was even elected!
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 22, 2013 5:20 PM GMT
    Who cares?
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    May 23, 2013 12:12 AM GMT
    Love it.

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    May 23, 2013 12:26 AM GMT
    Why are we paying politicians with our tax payer money to waste time this way?

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    May 23, 2013 3:44 AM GMT
    IceBuckets saidWhy are we paying politicians with our tax payer money to waste time this way?

    And I am sure you are talking about the prayer, correct?
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    May 24, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
    Iceblink said
    IceBuckets saidWhy are we paying politicians with our tax payer money to waste time this way?

    And I am sure you are talking about the prayer, correct?

    Both actually.

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    May 24, 2013 12:11 AM GMT
    I spent many years in community service and so sat through more than my fair share of opening prayers. The speakers usually were fairly careful to stay somewhat generic but it was still pretty annoying a lot of the times.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/us/politics/justices-take-case-on-prayer-at-town-board-meetings.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
    The Supreme Court on Monday agreed to decide cases concerning prayers at the start of town meetings
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    May 24, 2013 12:55 AM GMT
    IceBuckets said
    Iceblink said
    IceBuckets saidWhy are we paying politicians with our tax payer money to waste time this way?

    And I am sure you are talking about the prayer, correct?

    Both actually.


    That's good. I think that is also how Rep. Juan Mendez feels and that was his real message, not the words of Carl Sagan. The case before the Supreme court that theantijock has linked in his post above is a New York case, but one of the groups siding with them and has written briefs to the court is an Arizona nonprofit Christian group trying to keep the prayer in Arizona congressional sessions. That explains the timing of Rep. Mendez reading Sagan during his turn at leading the prayer before the House session.
  • waccamatt

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    May 24, 2013 1:56 AM GMT
    Why not just go about our events without a prayer or moment of silence?
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    May 24, 2013 3:06 AM GMT
    Hi Iceblink. Haven't seen you in a while. Nice to have your clear thinking back on the forum.

    waccamatt saidWhy not just go about our events without a prayer or moment of silence?


    You got my vote. The invocation every time made me a little uncomfortable--this whole idea of mortals invoking God, you know, without calling first, it seemed so rude--so I'd just disguise my thoughts with a poker face for the minute or few it lasted to get through.

    I'd be up in one of those seats in front of everyone so I had to be on my best behavior. I wouldn't do the bowing head thing, so that was probably noticed. But I did try to keep a respectful expression though more likely if anyone really looked I probably looked like I'd just chewed on something that shouldn't have been served at that dinner party and didn't have a place or opportunity to spit.

    Actually what I do in those moments is sort of separate myself from the situation and just observe others observing their observances. It's like going to a mall with friends. They're all involved in their shopping but for me it's an anthropological field trip.

    To me the opening prayer violates separation of church and state. Nobody is preventing anyone from praying all they want before or after a meeting. But during a meeting no prayer should make anyone feel awkward for just being in attendance. It's rude.
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    May 24, 2013 3:17 AM GMT
    may11 saidSurprised he was even elected!


    My guess is you don't understand Tempe is where Arizona State is located.
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    May 27, 2013 2:58 PM GMT
    Prayers?
    In the government?
    When does the next session of the Inquisition start?
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    May 27, 2013 3:27 PM GMT
    The Christian Taliban has gone crazy over this.

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/on-our-radar-arizona-state-rep-juan-mendez-secular-humanist-vs-arizona-state-rep-steve-smith-christian-taliban/politics/2013/05/26/67390