Paleo Diet Test Results .

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    May 22, 2013 1:33 AM GMT
    The Paleo diet is controversial because it challenges the low fat diet myth. As Americans converted to low fat diets obesity rates increased and diet related diseases became epidemic.

    So I have have been on various degrees of Paleo diet for 3 years 5 months . During that time I lost my mid age fat without cardio exercise and basically got a new lease on life, however I had no proof that my alleged "artery clogging" diet was not a silent killer.

    Last week I had blood work done to determind the truth. My serum cholestrol is 130. Triglycerides are 45 , HDL 45 and LDL is 74. Basically my high fat diet is not high enough. I need to eat even more good fat. For those that will discount this as good genes I assure you that my living parent and brother are obese with high blood pressure , pre- diabetic etc. My Blood Ph is 7.0
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    May 22, 2013 4:38 AM GMT
    again, you have no idea what scientific research looks like. controls, methodology, causality... you need to stop pretending you're a scientist.
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    May 22, 2013 5:29 AM GMT
    Whenever the paleo diet discussion comes up, I'm reminded of this..

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    May 22, 2013 5:50 AM GMT
    calibro saidagain, you have no idea what scientific research looks like. controls, methodology, causality... you need to stop pretending you're a scientist.


    I am a scientist . Science is based on the empirical method ( experiments) Having an opinion about something is not science. That is called being a critic which is basically an exercise of ego.
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    May 22, 2013 5:57 AM GMT
    Congratulations on your results! icon_smile.gif
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    May 22, 2013 9:41 AM GMT
    shortbutsweet saidCongratulations on your results! icon_smile.gif


    +1
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    May 22, 2013 11:01 AM GMT
    Congrats on your results. We should all make a study of determining which diet is right for us. I'm a firm believer in non-SAD options are probably better for everyone but that there is a high amount of variability in what works best for us. That's why for some people Paleo just hums, while for others veganism does, and so on. There have to be common denominators across them, but that's for larger studies to try to determine. In the mean time avoid processed foods, get some exercise, don't get obese, enjoy things in moderation and you'll probably hit the mark.
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    May 22, 2013 11:08 AM GMT
    Congrats!

    The one thing I would suggest is to get advanced lipoprotein testing that measures particles, either NMR or VAP. Sometimes high particle counts hide in lower calculated LDL scores, which are not as useful as you might think.

    BTW, while many people have favorable blood lipid responses to higher fat diets, fats (especially saturated fats) do greatly increase LDL-P in a significant number, so they're not a panacea for this issue.
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    May 22, 2013 11:12 AM GMT
    Congrats!
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    May 22, 2013 1:06 PM GMT
    RunnerMD saidCongrats on your results. We should all make a study of determining which diet is right for us. I'm a firm believer in non-SAD options are probably better for everyone but that there is a high amount of variability in what works best for us. That's why for some people Paleo just hums, while for others veganism does, and so on. There have to be common denominators across them, but that's for larger studies to try to determine. In the mean time avoid processed foods, get some exercise, don't get obese, enjoy things in moderation and you'll probably hit the mark.



    One aspect of Paleo diet that is kinda spooky is that after being on it awhile your mouth kinda starts telling you what you should eat . It's a 6 th sense type sensitivity that some animals have as well.
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    May 22, 2013 1:13 PM GMT
    xrichx saidWhenever the paleo diet discussion comes up, I'm reminded of this..

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    I totally feel like this when I eat a smoked turkey leg.
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    May 22, 2013 1:23 PM GMT
    showme saidCongrats!

    The one thing I would suggest is to get advanced lipoprotein testing that measures particles, either NMR or VAP. Sometimes high particle counts hide in lower calculated LDL scores, which are not as useful as you might think.

    BTW, while many people have favorable blood lipid responses to higher fat diets, fats (especially saturated fats) do greatly increase LDL-P in a significant number, so they're not a panacea for this issue.



    My VLDL is 9 .
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    May 22, 2013 1:24 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    calibro saidagain, you have no idea what scientific research looks like. controls, methodology, causality... you need to stop pretending you're a scientist.


    I am a scientist . Science is based on the empirical method ( experiments) Having an opinion about something is not science. That is called being a critic which is basically an exercise of ego.


    just because you conduct an "experiment" doesn't mean your experiment passes any kind of scientific rigor. you wouldn't get out of a paper bag when it comes down to basic experiment construction. you have no idea how science works.
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    May 22, 2013 2:01 PM GMT
    calibro said
    Alpha13 said
    calibro saidagain, you have no idea what scientific research looks like. controls, methodology, causality... you need to stop pretending you're a scientist.


    I am a scientist . Science is based on the empirical method ( experiments) Having an opinion about something is not science. That is called being a critic which is basically an exercise of ego.


    just because you conduct an "experiment" doesn't mean your experiment passes any kind of scientific rigor. you wouldn't get out of a paper bag when it comes down to basic experiment construction. you have no idea how science works.



    Seriously dude read the latest biography of Ben Franklin to gain some self empowerment and learn about the spirit of the scientific age. I got out of research because I know exactly how it works.
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    May 22, 2013 2:10 PM GMT
    showme saidCongrats!

    The one thing I would suggest is to get advanced lipoprotein testing that measures particles, either NMR or VAP. Sometimes high particle counts hide in lower calculated LDL scores, which are not as useful as you might think.

    BTW, while many people have favorable blood lipid responses to higher fat diets, fats (especially saturated fats) do greatly increase LDL-P in a significant number, so they're not a panacea for this issue.


    My VLDL is 9 .
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    May 22, 2013 2:16 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    calibro said
    Alpha13 said
    calibro saidagain, you have no idea what scientific research looks like. controls, methodology, causality... you need to stop pretending you're a scientist.


    I am a scientist . Science is based on the empirical method ( experiments) Having an opinion about something is not science. That is called being a critic which is basically an exercise of ego.


    just because you conduct an "experiment" doesn't mean your experiment passes any kind of scientific rigor. you wouldn't get out of a paper bag when it comes down to basic experiment construction. you have no idea how science works.



    Seriously dude read the latest biography of Ben Franklin to gain some self empowerment and learn about the spirit of the scientific age. I got out of research because I know exactly how it works.


    Results may vary for others is what people are implying.
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    May 22, 2013 2:43 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Clouseau said[/cite]
    Alpha13 said
    calibro said
    Alpha13 said
    calibro saidagain, you have no idea what scientific research looks like. controls, methodology, causality... you need to stop pretending you're a scientist.


    I am a scientist . Science is based on the empirical method ( experiments) Having an opinion about something is not science. That is called being a critic which is basically an exercise of ego.


    just because you conduct an "experiment" doesn't mean your experiment passes any kind of scientific rigor. you wouldn't get out of a paper bag when it comes down to basic experiment construction. you have no idea how science works.



    Seriously dude read the latest biography of Ben Franklin to gain some self empowerment and learn about the spirit of the scientific age. I got out of research because I know exactly how it works.


    Results may vary for others is what people are implying.

    Personal health is not about others. In Robb Wolfe's book " The Paleo Solution" he challenges readers to the big personal 30 day experiment. This country just passed a trillion dollar health care bill that ignores personal involvement which will result in the continued downward spiral of health in this country .
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    May 22, 2013 2:47 PM GMT
    Clouseau said
    Alpha13 said
    calibro said
    Alpha13 said
    calibro saidagain, you have no idea what scientific research looks like. controls, methodology, causality... you need to stop pretending you're a scientist.


    I am a scientist . Science is based on the empirical method ( experiments) Having an opinion about something is not science. That is called being a critic which is basically an exercise of ego.


    just because you conduct an "experiment" doesn't mean your experiment passes any kind of scientific rigor. you wouldn't get out of a paper bag when it comes down to basic experiment construction. you have no idea how science works.



    Seriously dude read the latest biography of Ben Franklin to gain some self empowerment and learn about the spirit of the scientific age. I got out of research because I know exactly how it works.


    Results may vary for others is what people are implying.


    no, i'm saying his entire concept of science is deeply flawed. you cannot just make an experiment without accounting for variables, controls, externalities... the sheer lack of methodology is astounding.
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    May 22, 2013 3:00 PM GMT
    RunnerMD saidCongrats on your results. We should all make a study of determining which diet is right for us. I'm a firm believer in non-SAD options are probably better for everyone but that there is a high amount of variability in what works best for us. That's why for some people Paleo just hums, while for others veganism does, and so on. There have to be common denominators across them, but that's for larger studies to try to determine. In the mean time avoid processed foods, get some exercise, don't get obese, enjoy things in moderation and you'll probably hit the mark.


    +1

    In fact, the Blood Type diet and its more current version (can't remember what it's called) is tailored somewhat more to individual factors. I believe it's very similar to Paleo. One day, our diets will be tailored entirely to us as individuals.
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    May 22, 2013 3:00 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    calibro said
    Alpha13 said
    calibro saidagain, you have no idea what scientific research looks like. controls, methodology, causality... you need to stop pretending you're a scientist.


    I am a scientist . Science is based on the empirical method ( experiments) Having an opinion about something is not science. That is called being a critic which is basically an exercise of ego.


    just because you conduct an "experiment" doesn't mean your experiment passes any kind of scientific rigor. you wouldn't get out of a paper bag when it comes down to basic experiment construction. you have no idea how science works.



    Seriously dude read the latest biography of Ben Franklin to gain some self empowerment and learn about the spirit of the scientific age. I got out of research because I know exactly how it works.


    you actually think reading a biography on ben franklin has anything to do with knowing what a control is? no, you were never in research because if you had even a college-level degree in a science you'd be laughed out of the lab for what you consider is a sound experiment. you don't realize it, but to anyone with even a basic understanding of science, you sound like an idiot. replace "french" with "science" and this is exactly what you look like...

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    May 22, 2013 3:47 PM GMT
    calibro said
    Alpha13 said
    calibro said
    Alpha13 said
    calibro saidagain, you have no idea what scientific research looks like. controls, methodology, causality... you need to stop pretending you're a scientist.


    I am a scientist . Science is based on the empirical method ( experiments) Having an opinion about something is not science. That is called being a critic which is basically an exercise of ego.


    just because you conduct an "experiment" doesn't mean your experiment passes any kind of scientific rigor. you wouldn't get out of a paper bag when it comes down to basic experiment construction. you have no idea how science works.



    Seriously dude read the latest biography of Ben Franklin to gain some self empowerment and learn about the spirit of the scientific age. I got out of research because I know exactly how it works.


    you actually think reading a biography on ben franklin has anything to do with knowing what a control is? no, you were never in research because if you had even a college-level degree in a science you'd be laughed out of the lab for what you consider is a sound experiment. you don't realize it, but to anyone with even a basic understanding of science, you sound like an idiot. replace "french" with "science" and this is exactly what you look like...



    You come across as an absolute asshole in most of your posts as you do again here. Did Alpha represent his "findings" as something to be published? Hardly. Anyone who had even a college level degree in science would have read that Alpha has had some good personal results with paleo - even as evidenced by his pictures.

    You "need" to get off your high horse and get a clue.
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    May 22, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
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    showme saidCongrats!

    The one thing I would suggest is to get advanced lipoprotein testing that measures particles, either NMR or VAP. Sometimes high particle counts hide in lower calculated LDL scores, which are not as useful as you might think.

    BTW, while many people have favorable blood lipid responses to higher fat diets, fats (especially saturated fats) do greatly increase LDL-P in a significant number, so they're not a panacea for this issue.


    My VLDL is 9 .


    LDL-P (NMR test) or Apo-B (VAP test) is what I'm talking about. Think about getting this test next time, with your family history.

    http://www.acponline.org/about_acp/chapters/va/12mtg/fredrickson.pdf

    Let's talk about your abs instead, though. icon_twisted.gif
  • gwuinsf

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    May 22, 2013 4:39 PM GMT
    This reminds me that I need to get my bloodwork updated as well.

    I agree that n=1 does not make this the be all and end all of diets. If there's one thing I've learned through my Paleo journeys is that everyone's diet is very individual and what might work for someone might not work for someone else. I'm gluten intolerant but lots of my friends have no issues with gluten at all.

    Why I think Alpha13's story is great is that this is what everyone should be doing to monitor their good health. If something is working for you then go for it. Don't listen to what all the douchey haters say. (It's not even worth engaging him/them.)

    When Paleo haters argue against the diet, the best argument I have and really the only one that matters to me individually is that Paleo (or my version of it) is something that has really worked for me. And getting tests like this only reaffirm that you're on the right course.
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    May 22, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    Unintended said

    1) N=1 should be avoided at all costs.


    Why?
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    May 22, 2013 6:23 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    calibro said
    Alpha13 said
    calibro said
    Alpha13 said
    calibro saidagain, you have no idea what scientific research looks like. controls, methodology, causality... you need to stop pretending you're a scientist.


    I am a scientist . Science is based on the empirical method ( experiments) Having an opinion about something is not science. That is called being a critic which is basically an exercise of ego.


    just because you conduct an "experiment" doesn't mean your experiment passes any kind of scientific rigor. you wouldn't get out of a paper bag when it comes down to basic experiment construction. you have no idea how science works.



    Seriously dude read the latest biography of Ben Franklin to gain some self empowerment and learn about the spirit of the scientific age. I got out of research because I know exactly how it works.


    you actually think reading a biography on ben franklin has anything to do with knowing what a control is? no, you were never in research because if you had even a college-level degree in a science you'd be laughed out of the lab for what you consider is a sound experiment. you don't realize it, but to anyone with even a basic understanding of science, you sound like an idiot. replace "french" with "science" and this is exactly what you look like...



    You come across as an absolute asshole in most of your posts as you do again here. Did Alpha represent his "findings" as something to be published? Hardly. Anyone who had even a college level degree in science would have read that Alpha has had some good personal results with paleo - even as evidenced by his pictures.

    You "need" to get off your high horse and get a clue.


    from alpha13

    "I am a scientist so I actively experiment with the Paleo diet. I dont "believe" any theories or opinions unless they stand up to empirical method. I take records of saliva and urine acidity as indication of metabolic processes, I test my fat top muscle ratio after trying different aspects of Paleo diet. In 3 years I can't find any holes in it . I ve even made an unique discovery and will publish it as soon as I gather more data from more test subjects. But for the unscientific I forward the suggestion made in "The Paleo Solution" try it for 30 days."

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2789655

    and, as for you, riddler, someone else who consistently claims to understand thing without having higher education in said fields...