Boy Scouts Votes to Lift Ban on Gay Members, Retain Ban on Gay Leaders

  • metta

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    May 23, 2013 10:19 PM GMT
    Boy Scouts Votes to Lift Ban on Gay Members, Retain Ban on Gay Leaders

    http://www.towleroad.com/2013/05/boy-scouts-votes-to-lift-ban-on-gay-members-retain-ban-on-gay-leaders.html
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    May 23, 2013 10:35 PM GMT
    Only a partial victory. A scout is not banned for being gay, but lgbt adults cannot be leaders.

    Surprisingly, the Mormon church supported the change.
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    May 23, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
    The Boy Scouts of America Statement:
    "...The resolution also reinforces that Scouting is a youth program, and any sexual conduct, whether heterosexual or homosexual, by youth of Scouting age is contrary to the virtues of Scouting. A change to the current membership policy for adult leaders was not under consideration; thus, the policy for adults remains in place....

    ...there are no plans for further review on this matter.
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    "Today's vote is a significant victory for gay youth across the nation and a clear indication that the Boy Scouts' ban on gay adult leaders will also inevitably end"

    I hope corporations who have withdrawn support are not similarly fooled by this.

    Ms Parks, will this seat up towards the middle of the bus shut you up?
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    May 23, 2013 11:54 PM GMT
    Christian fundamentalists are now vowing to pull their boys out of scouting, which could seriously hurt the BSA. And Right Wing churches won't sponsor troops, or let them use their facilities.

    At the same time, cities that had previously denied the BSA the use of public venues may now let them back. And corporate & business sponsors may also return. It will be interesting to see how this works out.
  • AMoonHawk

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    May 24, 2013 4:04 AM GMT
    If I had a gay son I would never send him to the boyscouts ... they would probably mess with his mind to try to turn him straight
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    May 24, 2013 4:51 AM GMT
    I was personally at the press conference for the pro-gay side today.

    I was moved by the stories of many of the folks I met.

    Gay has won.

    The Scouts will come along eventually.

    The Religious Right can threaten whatever, but, let's be honest....gay has won.

    Watch The NBC News Today Show in the morning to catch a great interview with a 16 year old gay young man that I later had supper with tonight in a small group of pro gay scouting folks.

    He said "What? At 18, I turn into a pedophile?" I was floored that he said that on national tv, but, it was just what needed to be said.

    My friend, Logan's father, Dave, and his son, Joe, road 1800 miles to support gays in scouting. Outstanding coverage was given by Gannett and other groups. Thank you, Gannett, for being the first to take the story national on Dave's ride, with all your various properties!

    Here's Dave's Facebook page:
    https://www.facebook.com/oldscoutspromise

    and his blog

    http://oldscoutspromise.blogspot.com/

    There's going to be documentary as well by Dave and supporters. We could use your assistance by like and shares, or money, or just spreading the word. It's not over. Adults need to be there, too. Gay scouts won't magically turn to scum at 18. That's just plain silly and not workable, but, today was a step in the right direction. No person should be made to feel less than because of their sexual preference.

    National Geographic was there, as well, and something should be coming down the pipe soon from them.

    Lots of national and local media.

    For those who helped, THANK YOU. Thank you very much. For those who are going to help...THANK YOU.
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    May 24, 2013 7:11 AM GMT
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/23/boy-scouts-gay-vote/2352077/

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    May 24, 2013 7:20 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidChristian fundamentalists are now vowing to pull their boys out of scouting, which could seriously hurt the BSA. And Right Wing churches won't sponsor troops, or let them use their facilities.

    At the same time, cities that had previously denied the BSA the use of public venues may now let them back. And corporate & business sponsors may also return. It will be interesting to see how this works out.


    You're absolutely right, and..this is not just about saving lives, self esteem, and equality, but, for the leadership of scouting...BIG MONEY. Big Money does NOT want to be on the wrong side of this issue and being a bigot is the wrong side of this issue. This is about money as much as anything.
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    May 24, 2013 7:22 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidIf I had a gay son I would never send him to the boyscouts ... they would probably mess with his mind to try to turn him straight


    Sadly, in organizations that are operated by right wingers...yep..I'll bet you are right, but, society is evolving; change is happening.
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    May 24, 2013 7:23 AM GMT
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    ART_DECO saidChristian fundamentalists are now vowing to pull their boys out of scouting, which could seriously hurt the BSA. And Right Wing churches won't sponsor troops, or let them use their facilities.

    I suspect they'll fuss for a while and then quietly move on. The kids will still want to be part of it. And most parents will cave.


    Hate and prejudice may not be overt, but they'll still be around. There will always be some fanatics.
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    May 24, 2013 5:39 PM GMT
    But still not allowing gay/lesbian adult leaders makes the gay Scout wonder what happens to him when he turns 18. What if he in turns wants to be a role model for young gay Scouts?

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    May 24, 2013 5:46 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidIf I had a gay son I would never send him to the Boy Scouts ... they would probably mess with his mind to try to turn him straight


    A good friend of mine stated years ago that if there were to be a national Nazi youth organization in America the Boy Scouts would be a good starting place for it. Nothing I have seen since then contradicts him. I simply do not like the outfit. Were I a parent, I simply would not allow a child anywhere near it.
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    May 24, 2013 6:01 PM GMT
    Will this opening up the Scouts be a decision mde on the local troop level (as was once proposed), or does this apply across the board to all BSA troops?
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    May 24, 2013 6:44 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    ART_DECO saidChristian fundamentalists are now vowing to pull their boys out of scouting, which could seriously hurt the BSA. And Right Wing churches won't sponsor troops, or let them use their facilities.

    I suspect they'll fuss for a while and then quietly move on. The kids will still want to be part of it. And most parents will cave.

    Difficult to say, and certainly possible as you predict. On the other hand, some communities will no doubt lose most or all of their church-sponsored packs & troops, so the kids will have no choice.

    And frankly, in today's world of dozens of activities competing for a boy's attention, I suspect for many Scouts it was a parental push rather than the boy's pull. Without parental encouragement, if not insistence, I wonder how many boys will now be clamoring to join the Scouts? And with their parents thumping the Bible and threatening Hellfire upon them, I also wonder how many boys who do want to join will make their parents cave?
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 24, 2013 7:02 PM GMT
    Baby steps.

    I do wish people who are not involved with Scouts would stay out of this except for supporting gay Scouts in their efforts.
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    May 24, 2013 10:11 PM GMT
    I was involved in the boy scouts, and this is not enough. I left because of the non-welcome feeling I was getting when I started to deal with being gay.

    They have decades of bigotry, and this no where comes near to reversing it. They are saying you are ok until you are 18, then get the F out, we hate you. Seriously? And I also hope corporations that have stopped funding, do not reverse their stance.

    They are barely above the catholic church in my eyes.

    And the mormon church is looking to increase membership after their support for prop 8 backfired. I personally know an ex-mormon because of their support of prop 8.
  • HndsmKansan

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    May 24, 2013 10:27 PM GMT
    I feel the ban should apply to all... a "partial ban" emphasizes all the bad stuff the organization represented before. It shouldn't apply to kids, but not to adults as leaders, its ridiculous!

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    May 24, 2013 11:13 PM GMT
    I had the great pleasure of meeting the folks in this video yesterday afternoon. (Sat across from the young man for supper.)

    Here's a compelling video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SjgURg8xvzw



    https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.tyrrell.14
  • metta

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    Jun 03, 2013 4:24 PM GMT
    Catholic, Mormon Church Official Policy Now Supports Gay Youth In Boy Scouts — Holdouts Persist

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/catholic-mormon-church-official-policy-now-supports-gay-youth-in-boy-scouts-holdouts-persist/news/2013/06/03/67983
  • metta

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    Jun 06, 2013 6:56 PM GMT
    Petition:

    The Boy Scouts of America will allow gay Scouts! Now it's time to include gay parents.
    http://www.change.org/petitions/the-boy-scouts-of-america-will-allow-gay-scouts-now-it-s-time-to-include-gay-parents
  • metta

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    Feb 12, 2014 10:55 PM GMT
    Boy Scouts’ membership drops after year of policy change

    "The Boy Scouts of America said Wednesday that it lost 6 percent of its membership after an often-bruising year in which it announced it would accept openly gay boys for the first time, over the objections of some participants who eventually left the organization."

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/02/boy-scouts-membership-drops-after-year-of-policy-change/
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 12, 2014 11:06 PM GMT
    metta8 saidBoy Scouts’ membership drops after year of policy change

    "The Boy Scouts of America said Wednesday that it lost 6 percent of its membership after an often-bruising year in which it announced it would accept openly gay boys for the first time, over the objections of some participants who eventually left the organization."

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/02/boy-scouts-membership-drops-after-year-of-policy-change/

    The article goes on to say that the prior year showed a 4% drop in membership before they voted to change the policy. And several years in the decade prior had also shown similar drops in membership. Apparently the LGBT decision wasn't a significant causal factor.
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    Feb 13, 2014 12:20 AM GMT
    Just keep your sexual preferances to your self.. If you want to be a Scout leader, don't tell others your Gay and there wont be a problem. Use common sense. I know there are Gay purists here that is proud of what they are. But some things aren't worth advertising when you want to do certain things.
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    Feb 13, 2014 7:09 AM GMT
    Well, back in the 70's there were a few obvious perverts who were scout "leaders." It's not as if they weren't obvious to the kids.

    It's not that big a problem. Always make sure that there are two adults, at least one of whom is a parent, on any outings.

    ... except that most of the parents just want someone to take the kids off their hands.

    Most of the "gay"ish shenanigans went on in the "order of the arrow" when 17 & 18 y/o's went out unsupervised icon_razz.gif