As a father ....

  • conservativej...

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    May 26, 2013 4:10 AM GMT
    I am certain I am not the only RJ member with a son. To those of you with a son, do you want your son at age 17 to possess a .40 caliber handgun and you not be aware it is in his possession?

    I suppose that is a silly question for many of you as you would not want your son at any age to possess a handgun. The question is however posed in light of the facts of the day.
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    May 26, 2013 4:20 AM GMT
    I don't have a son,
    but speaking as a son, I don't want my father to own a gun.
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    May 26, 2013 4:40 AM GMT
    Yes.

    I would want my son (if I had one) to be properly trained in gun safety techniques and to be able to utilize it if he ever needed to do so.

    Guns are like parachutes. You may need one one day, and it's always good to have it if you do.
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    May 26, 2013 6:06 AM GMT
    I do not want my 18 yr old son having any gun. Although his cousins are gun collectors and he has been to the range. I have seen pics of him with some nasty looking weapons. His maturity is what made me allow him to go to the range. He does not have a fascination, nor desire to have any. Thank god.
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    May 26, 2013 4:17 PM GMT
    I gave my 3 sons guns at age 3 to protect them pervs and pedophile priests. Funny thing they ended up robbing a bank, getting arrested, thrown in jail and each and everyone of my sweet sons got raped by pervs and pedophile priests while locked up.
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    May 26, 2013 4:33 PM GMT
    libertpaulian saidYes.


    Guns are like parachutes. You may need one one day, and it's always good to have it if you do.


    Absolutely
  • tazzari

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    May 26, 2013 5:17 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    libertpaulian saidYes.


    Guns are like parachutes. You may need one one day, and it's always good to have it if you do.


    Absolutely


    This will bring down irate scorn on my head, but though I have been a shooter (sports) - I refuse to take a life, and believe there are other, less final ways to defend myself.
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    May 26, 2013 10:28 PM GMT
    conservative jack saidI am certain I am not the only RJ member with a son. To those of you with a son, do you want your son at age 17 to possess a .40 caliber handgun and you not be aware it is in his possession?

    I suppose that is a silly question for many of you as you would not want your son at any age to possess a handgun. The question is however posed in light of the facts of the day.


    Let me just say, as a single father (four boys), a life long gun owner (I got my first BB gun at 7 yrs old) and a lifetime member of the NRA, this has to be one of the most ridiculous of your posts (and there have been many). You aren't looking for honest, let alone informed discussion. You are, as you usually are, looking to inflame people and create a cluster fuck about a subject that neither you or they really know much about. You give no background and just throw out statements and then ask people to disagree with you in a most disagreeable way.

    I'll play along. Hopefully someone will come away at least having seen a different point of view than the caricature you are trying to present of gun owners.

    As a parent, I should know what my children are doing all of the time. If my underage son is sexually active I should know. If my underage son has any gun in his position, as a parent I should know. If I don't know what's going on with my children then I've failed somewhere along the line.
    In my household, I make the rules and I have a right to know everything that is brought into my house as well as everything that goes on in my house.

    Living on a working ranch, my sons see me use a rifle just about everyday. My children have grown up with guns and understand that they aren't toys, but an important tool. My sons aren't thought to fear and hate guns, but to respect and understand them.

    My fifteen year old asked for a rifle for Christmas and received an AR-15 hunting rifle, my eight year graduated from a BB gun to a 22 rifle on his birthday and my seven year old got his first BB gun for his birthday. All of their guns are kept in a gun safe when not in use and all three of my children have had gun safety courses. My sons have never used their guns without me being there with them. My children have gown up around responsible gun owners and users and understand the responsibility of handling and owning a gun.
    If your son owns any gun and feels he has to hide it from you, you have not taught him responsible gun ownership.

    As a responsible gun owner, the answer to your question is no. There are no qualifiers. More importantly, if your 17 year old son owns a handgun he is breaking the law as well as is the person who gave him the gun. Federal law prohibits transfer of a handgun or ammunition for a handgun to anyone under 18. If your 17 year old son owns a handgun he should be reported as well as the person who transferred it to him.

    Stop trying to paint all conservatives, and in this gun owners, as being as uneducated and uninformed as you obviously are because the vast majority of us are not. This kind of stupidity only inflames people who are little informed about the subject and can have real consequences for responsible gun owners.
  • tazzari

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    May 27, 2013 4:00 AM GMT
    Shybuffguy - Very good post. That was how I was raised. Got my first gun at 5, but it was very strictly supervised by my Dad, who was a working rancher and later a gunsmith.
  • conservativej...

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    May 27, 2013 4:01 AM GMT
    smartmoney saidI gave my 3 sons guns at age 3 to protect them pervs and pedophile priests. Funny thing they ended up robbing a bank, getting arrested, thrown in jail and each and everyone of my sweet sons got raped by pervs and pedophile priests while locked up.


    Ah, superb.

    The 17 year old I was speaking of is one Trayvon Martin. You mean you haven't seen his cell phone photos where he is holding a Smith & Wesson M&P in .40 caliber? Again, this is a 17 year old who cannot legally purchase a weapon period. He can purchase one off the street or steal one however. And since young Trayvon was living with mama -- about to be kicked out according to his own texts -- oh where did that handgun go?

    It seems to me he followed the path your sons (and you know that is a grand fabrication, but certainly illustrative) and well, ended up dead.

    I think the real problem with many is they truly never expect to be held accountable for their actions and simply defer to government to create a world surrounded with padded walls so they can survive, ergo the need they see to remove all handguns.

    Interesting.
  • conservativej...

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    May 27, 2013 4:08 AM GMT
    shybuffguy said
    conservative jack saidI am certain I am not the only RJ member with a son. To those of you with a son, do you want your son at age 17 to possess a .40 caliber handgun and you not be aware it is in his possession?

    I suppose that is a silly question for many of you as you would not want your son at any age to possess a handgun. The question is however posed in light of the facts of the day.


    Let me just say, as a single father (four boys), a life long gun owner (I got my first BB gun at 7 yrs old) and a lifetime member of the NRA, this has to be one of the most ridiculous of your posts (and there have been many). You aren't looking for honest, let alone informed discussion. You are, as you usually are, looking to inflame people and create a cluster fuck about a subject that neither you or they really know much about. You give no background and just throw out statements and then ask people to disagree with you in a most disagreeable way.

    I'll play along. Hopefully someone will come away at least having seen a different point of view than the caricature you are trying to present of gun owners.

    As a parent, I should know what my children are doing all of the time. If my underage son is sexually active I should know. If my underage son has any gun in his position, as a parent I should know. If I don't know what's going on with my children then I've failed somewhere along the line.
    In my household, I make the rules and I have a right to know everything that is brought into my house as well as everything that goes on in my house.

    Living on a working ranch, my sons see me use a rifle just about everyday. My children have grown up with guns and understand that they aren't toys, but an important tool. My sons aren't thought to fear and hate guns, but to respect and understand them.

    My fifteen year old asked for a rifle for Christmas and received an AR-15 hunting rifle, my eight year graduated from a BB gun to a 22 rifle on his birthday and my seven year old got his first BB gun for his birthday. All of their guns are kept in a gun safe when not in use and all three of my children have had gun safety courses. My sons have never used their guns without me being there with them. My children have gown up around responsible gun owners and users and understand the responsibility of handling and owning a gun.
    If your son owns any gun and feels he has to hide it from you, you have not taught him responsible gun ownership.

    As a responsible gun owner, the answer to your question is no. There are no qualifiers. More importantly, if your 17 year old son owns a handgun he is breaking the law as well as is the person who gave him the gun. Federal law prohibits transfer of a handgun or ammunition for a handgun to anyone under 18. If your 17 year old son owns a handgun he should be reported as well as the person who transferred it to him.

    Stop trying to paint all conservatives, and in this gun owners, as being as uneducated and uninformed as you obviously are because the vast majority of us are not. This kind of stupidity only inflames people who are little informed about the subject and can have real consequences for responsible gun owners.


    I am looking for informed intelligence amongst the more anti-gun members of RJ. Obviously, you do not follow the press, I assume because it is so liberal. (?) Unfortunately your posts most often follow the same logic as libs, so I suppose that is why you do not understand my posts are never without cause.

    So, do you have a son who is now 17? If so I suspect if he possesses a handgun you as his father are well aware it is in his possession. It is likely in your gun locker in fact, even if he clims it.

    You see the other side of this is that someone like Trayvon Martin might never have a father who generally is aware of when his son picks up a weapon and for what intent he carries it.

    Blind defense of our angels can be a very disappointing thing.
  • GQjock

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    May 27, 2013 11:41 AM GMT
    The 17 year old I was speaking of is one Trayvon Martin. You mean you haven't seen his cell phone photos where he is holding a Smith & Wesson M&P in .40 caliber?

    Oh you mean the gun that Trayvon Martin didn't have on his dead body after he was shot by one amateur wannabe cop after the wannabe cop was told by Real cops not to go after the non-gun carrying Trayvon?
    And the gun that You seem to be concerned about after the defense of said wannabe cop dumped pictures that they KNOW would not be admissible in court in order to make doobs like you post absurd arguments like you just did
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    May 27, 2013 12:44 PM GMT
    GQjock saidThe 17 year old I was speaking of is one Trayvon Martin. You mean you haven't seen his cell phone photos where he is holding a Smith & Wesson M&P in .40 caliber?

    Oh you mean the gun that Trayvon Martin didn't have on his dead body after he was shot by one amateur wannabe cop after the wannabe cop was told by Real cops not to go after the non-gun carrying Trayvon?
    And the gun that You seem to be concerned about after the defense of said wannabe cop dumped pictures that they KNOW would not be admissible in court in order to make doobs like you post absurd arguments like you just did


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    May 27, 2013 12:53 PM GMT
    tazzari said
    freedomisntfree said
    libertpaulian saidYes.


    Guns are like parachutes. You may need one one day, and it's always good to have it if you do.


    Absolutely


    This will bring down irate scorn on my head, but though I have been a shooter (sports) - I refuse to take a life, and believe there are other, less final ways to defend myself.


    I've used for sport only and that doesn't included hunting. I have had jobs in the distant past where I made the bank deposits with a fairly large amount of cash, and did carry, but never had to brandish or use. My dad didn't allow guns in the house because he had seen enough of guns in WW II so it was well into Boy Scouts that I developed an (some) interest. The interest never grew to the point that it became even close to my primary interests of cars and music.