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    May 26, 2013 8:49 PM GMT
    The religion of peace is promoting love and tolerance.

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    May 26, 2013 8:52 PM GMT
    Misandry saidHave you asked any, idk, ACTUAL muslims about their opinion on these issues?

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    Muslims are allowed to engage in taqiyya and kitman, or lying and obfuscation, to give Islam a pretty face and hide their true feelings from the kuffar (infidels).
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    Misandry said
    Incendiary said
    Misandry saidHave you asked any, idk, ACTUAL muslims about their opinion on these issues?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3213214/

    SidenoteProtip: Trolls dont get emotionally involved.


    Muslims are allowed to engage in taqiyya and kitman, or lying and obfuscation, to give Islam a pretty face and hide their true feelings from the kuffar (infidels).


    Maybe the new Islam, but I honestly doubt that an Abrahamic religion would be built on such principles. Add to the fact, the world's fastest growing religion.


    A lot of people just happen to be simple minded idiots.

    Islam is the religion of evil and death,

    Muslim children are taught from a young age to hate America, our freedom and the west in general. They are taught to kill those they disagree with.
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    Misandry said
    Incendiary said
    Misandry saidHave you asked any, idk, ACTUAL muslims about their opinion on these issues?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3213214/

    SidenoteProtip: Trolls dont get emotionally involved.


    Muslims are allowed to engage in taqiyya and kitman, or lying and obfuscation, to give Islam a pretty face and hide their true feelings from the kuffar (infidels).


    Maybe the new Islam, but I honestly doubt that an Abrahamic religion would be built on such principles. Add to the fact, the world's fastest growing religion.


    It's only the "fastest growing" because they're out-populating everyone else with their through-the-roof birth rates. Many of the women claim that birthing children is their form of jihad against the west.
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    Incendiary said
    Misandry said
    Incendiary said
    Misandry saidHave you asked any, idk, ACTUAL muslims about their opinion on these issues?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3213214/

    SidenoteProtip: Trolls dont get emotionally involved.


    Muslims are allowed to engage in taqiyya and kitman, or lying and obfuscation, to give Islam a pretty face and hide their true feelings from the kuffar (infidels).


    Maybe the new Islam, but I honestly doubt that an Abrahamic religion would be built on such principles. Add to the fact, the world's fastest growing religion.


    It's only the "fastest growing" because they're out-populating everyone else with their through-the-roof birth rates. Many of the women claim that birthing children is their form of jihad against the west.


    This is true. And these same women are beaten and some of them killed due to the teachings of Islam.
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    Misandry said
    Incendiary said
    Misandry saidHave you asked any, idk, ACTUAL muslims about their opinion on these issues?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3213214/

    SidenoteProtip: Trolls dont get emotionally involved.


    Muslims are allowed to engage in taqiyya and kitman, or lying and obfuscation, to give Islam a pretty face and hide their true feelings from the kuffar (infidels).


    Maybe the new Islam, but I honestly doubt that an Abrahamic religion would be built on such principles. Add to the fact, the world's fastest growing religion.


    Taqiyya is directly mentioned in the Qur'an as an acceptable practice for Muslims who fear "persecution." It is not a modern concept.

    If you're going to defend Islam, at least read the Qur'an first. I'd recommend starting with chapter 9...it's a doozy icon_rolleyes.gif

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    May 26, 2013 9:37 PM GMT
    Misandry said
    Cardinal724 said
    Misandry said
    Incendiary said
    Misandry saidHave you asked any, idk, ACTUAL muslims about their opinion on these issues?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3213214/

    SidenoteProtip: Trolls dont get emotionally involved.


    Muslims are allowed to engage in taqiyya and kitman, or lying and obfuscation, to give Islam a pretty face and hide their true feelings from the kuffar (infidels).


    Maybe the new Islam, but I honestly doubt that an Abrahamic religion would be built on such principles. Add to the fact, the world's fastest growing religion.


    Taqiyya is directly mentioned in the Qur'an as an acceptable practice for Muslims who fear "persecution." It is not a modern concept.

    If you're going to defend Islam, at least read the Qur'an first. I'd recommend starting with chapter 9...it's a doozy icon_rolleyes.gif



    Id rather start from chapter 1, the only chapter that exists.
    And while youre rolling them eyes girlfriend, muslims face persecution and have for centuries.


    There are 114 chapters or "surah" in the Qur'an...

    And please...Muslims have not faced persecution for centuries. Islamic empires have dominated the Middle East, Northern Africa and parts of Europe for centuries. Please read up on your history.
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    May 26, 2013 9:41 PM GMT
    Misandry said
    Cardinal724 said
    Misandry said
    Incendiary said
    Misandry saidHave you asked any, idk, ACTUAL muslims about their opinion on these issues?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3213214/

    SidenoteProtip: Trolls dont get emotionally involved.


    Muslims are allowed to engage in taqiyya and kitman, or lying and obfuscation, to give Islam a pretty face and hide their true feelings from the kuffar (infidels).


    Maybe the new Islam, but I honestly doubt that an Abrahamic religion would be built on such principles. Add to the fact, the world's fastest growing religion.


    Taqiyya is directly mentioned in the Qur'an as an acceptable practice for Muslims who fear "persecution." It is not a modern concept.

    If you're going to defend Islam, at least read the Qur'an first. I'd recommend starting with chapter 9...it's a doozy icon_rolleyes.gif



    Id rather start from chapter 1, the only chapter that exists.
    And while youre rolling them eyes girlfriend, muslims face persecution and have for centuries.


    You must be like a Nation of Islam practioner or something.

    What they hell are they being persecuted for besides the shit they started?
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    May 26, 2013 9:42 PM GMT
    Misandry said
    Cardinal724 said
    Misandry said
    Cardinal724 said
    Misandry said
    Incendiary said
    Misandry saidHave you asked any, idk, ACTUAL muslims about their opinion on these issues?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3213214/

    SidenoteProtip: Trolls dont get emotionally involved.


    Muslims are allowed to engage in taqiyya and kitman, or lying and obfuscation, to give Islam a pretty face and hide their true feelings from the kuffar (infidels).


    Maybe the new Islam, but I honestly doubt that an Abrahamic religion would be built on such principles. Add to the fact, the world's fastest growing religion.


    Taqiyya is directly mentioned in the Qur'an as an acceptable practice for Muslims who fear "persecution." It is not a modern concept.

    If you're going to defend Islam, at least read the Qur'an first. I'd recommend starting with chapter 9...it's a doozy icon_rolleyes.gif



    Id rather start from chapter 1, the only chapter that exists.
    And while youre rolling them eyes girlfriend, muslims face persecution and have for centuries.


    There are 114 chapters or "surah" in the Qur'an...

    And please...Muslims have not faced persecution for centuries. Islamic empires have dominated the Middle East, Northern Africa and parts of Europe for centuries. Please read up on your history.


    You should learn to cross reference your history.
    Muslims HAVE faced persection, people project the same thing about other religious and ethnic groups all the time.
    Ima need to see some SERIOUS recipes.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_empires

    Here's a list of Islamic empires throughout history. Get started on your research.
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    May 26, 2013 9:54 PM GMT
    Misandry said
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    Misandry said
    Cardinal724 said
    Misandry said
    Cardinal724 said
    Misandry said
    Incendiary said
    Misandry saidHave you asked any, idk, ACTUAL muslims about their opinion on these issues?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3213214/

    SidenoteProtip: Trolls dont get emotionally involved.


    Muslims are allowed to engage in taqiyya and kitman, or lying and obfuscation, to give Islam a pretty face and hide their true feelings from the kuffar (infidels).


    Maybe the new Islam, but I honestly doubt that an Abrahamic religion would be built on such principles. Add to the fact, the world's fastest growing religion.


    Taqiyya is directly mentioned in the Qur'an as an acceptable practice for Muslims who fear "persecution." It is not a modern concept.

    If you're going to defend Islam, at least read the Qur'an first. I'd recommend starting with chapter 9...it's a doozy icon_rolleyes.gif



    Id rather start from chapter 1, the only chapter that exists.
    And while youre rolling them eyes girlfriend, muslims face persecution and have for centuries.


    There are 114 chapters or "surah" in the Qur'an...

    And please...Muslims have not faced persecution for centuries. Islamic empires have dominated the Middle East, Northern Africa and parts of Europe for centuries. Please read up on your history.


    You should learn to cross reference your history.
    Muslims HAVE faced persection, people project the same thing about other religious and ethnic groups all the time.
    Ima need to see some SERIOUS recipes.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_empires

    Here's a list of Islamic empires throughout history. Get started on your research.


    Maybe you should finish your research(like anytime soon, srsly).
    None of these empires are still active and haven't been for centuries.

    Now maybe these empires existed because they actually focused on development, technology, philosophy and the modern sciences unlike most of the other world powers at the time. And Id know Id make my own empire if others around the world hated me and my accomplishments. I know I hate others that are doing better than me.


    Youre gonna need better sources than this hun. I even have articles on that site about my mime and pornography works.


    So first you claim that Muslims have been persecuted for centuries, and now you claim that Muslims were pioneers and world leaders. Which is it? It can't be both. Any "discrimination" faced by Muslims is a product of the 20th century, but for most of history Muslims dominated the regions they ruled over and subjugated non-Muslims to a system of religious apartheid (and still do to this day).

    Stop making excuses for something you demonstrably know nothing about.
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    May 26, 2013 10:18 PM GMT
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    Islam is more popular now that it has been in history, as others around the world always hated the religion. Because they were less obsessed with war or taking over other world powers and more obsessed with scientific ingenuity. Because they were so different. So radical yet pacifist. Urban yet tribal.
    Clearly the other regions weren't liking it so they hated them for it.

    Nothing is new under the sun.
    Hating is as old as prostitution.



    You're going to need some proof to back up that ludicrous assertion. It's not like Islam all of a sudden spread out of Arabia and into the rest of the world. It has been spreading for centuries by the "jingoistic"(for lack of a better word) policies of dozens of empires (in much the same way that Christianity spread).

    You've revealed yourself to be nothing more than a troll and a remarkably uninformed one at that.
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    May 27, 2013 10:48 AM GMT
    Hi. Please don't speak of Muslims based on the reports you see on TV and read in the news. Nor should you speak of Muslims based solely on historical wikipedia reports. Speak of Islam based on the Muslims you have known. By offending all people of the Islamic faith, you offend my muslim friends and me.

    There are 1.57 muslims in the world, and just like Christianity, there are many different forms, and many different ways to practice it, many cultural differences between those who do practice it. If they'd ALL wanted to wipe out the West, I'm sure 1.57 muslims could've managed that by now.

    I lived in Pakistan for two years when I was a kid, and therefore have many friends who come from the Islamic faith. I assure you they are not extremist in their views, but follow Islam probably like many Americans practice Christianity. Granted, probably in a very pick'n'chose manner, but they practice their faith even so. They know I am gay and fully support my pursuit of happiness because they know I am a good person and wish no ill-will on anyone.

    I now live in East London and have many muslim neighbours who are very kind. At Christmas they bring us a bottle of wine and a card, and at Eid they share their food with neighbours up and down the street.

    Extremism MUST NOT be confused with Islamic practice.
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    gayinterest saidHi. Please don't speak of Muslims based on the reports you see on TV and read in the news. Nor should you speak of Muslims based solely on historical wikipedia reports. Speak of Islam based on the Muslims you have known. By offending all people of the Islamic faith, you offend my muslim friends and me.

    There are 1.57 muslims in the world, and just like Christianity, there are many different forms, and many different ways to practice it, many cultural differences between those who do practice it. If they'd ALL wanted to wipe out the West, I'm sure 1.57 muslims could've managed that by now.

    I lived in Pakistan for two years when I was a kid, and therefore have many friends who come from the Islamic faith. I assure you they are not extremist in their views, but follow Islam probably like many Americans practice Christianity. Granted, probably in a very pick'n'chose manner, but they practice their faith even so. They know I am gay and fully support my pursuit of happiness because they know I am a good person and wish no ill-will on anyone.

    I now live in East London and have many muslim neighbours who are very kind. At Christmas they bring us a bottle of wine and a card, and at Eid they share their food with neighbours up and down the street.

    Extremism MUST NOT be confused with Islamic practice.
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    THANK YOU !!!!!

    I hate how it has become acceptable to openly hate muslims
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    May 27, 2013 12:46 PM GMT
    BIGOTRY, stereotypes and prejudices are not particular to one collectivity. I prefer to get to know the individual through his/her myriad actions than identities.
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    May 27, 2013 1:07 PM GMT
    Err I wont say anything about beliefs and practices of Muslims but please don't say they hate us because of our freedoms. That is the biggest load of crap.

    They hate us because we occupy all of their countries, support their dictators who they hate, rig their elections, and control their economies.

    Does Russia have beef with the US because of our freedoms? No, we just spy the hell out of them.

    Cuba hates us because of our freedoms? North Korea? No we just embargo the hell out of them to the point where their populations are starving and degrading.

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    May 27, 2013 1:38 PM GMT
    When something extremist happens in Turkey, Islamophobes like OP say "Oh look it's Islam again" (even though plenty of anti-gay hate crimes occur in Christian countries)

    When someone points out homosexuality is legal in Turkey, there have been gay pride parades, and some Turkish politicians even support gay marriage "Oh it's a secular country, doesn't count". Which makes zero sense. It is both a secular and Muslim-majority country. I guess because it goes against the idea that Muslims are inherently opposed to secularism, then they try to deny that Turkey counts as a Muslim country.

    But most Islamophobes are also Christian fundamentalists who hate gays.
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    May 27, 2013 9:30 PM GMT
    gayinterest saidHi. Please don't speak of Muslims based on the reports you see on TV and read in the news. Nor should you speak of Muslims based solely on historical wikipedia reports. Speak of Islam based on the Muslims you have known. By offending all people of the Islamic faith, you offend my muslim friends and me.

    There are 1.57 muslims in the world, and just like Christianity, there are many different forms, and many different ways to practice it, many cultural differences between those who do practice it. If they'd ALL wanted to wipe out the West, I'm sure 1.57 muslims could've managed that by now.

    I lived in Pakistan for two years when I was a kid, and therefore have many friends who come from the Islamic faith. I assure you they are not extremist in their views, but follow Islam probably like many Americans practice Christianity. Granted, probably in a very pick'n'chose manner, but they practice their faith even so. They know I am gay and fully support my pursuit of happiness because they know I am a good person and wish no ill-will on anyone.

    I now live in East London and have many muslim neighbours who are very kind. At Christmas they bring us a bottle of wine and a card, and at Eid they share their food with neighbours up and down the street.

    Extremism MUST NOT be confused with Islamic practice.
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    As I've said in many other posts, I distinguish between Islam as a set of beliefs as defined as what's written in the Qur'an and Muslims themselves who are simply adherents and who may or may not believe everything in the Qur'an (and who I consider to be victims for the most part in the same way I consider Christians to be victims).

    I don't care nor have nothing against Muslims who are culturally Muslim or those who pick and choose from the faith (except for the fact that they're being intellectually dishonest with themselves).

    "Extremism" is just a euphemism. The only difference between an extremist and a moderate/liberal Muslim is that an extremist actually believes the Qur'an is the word of God and strives to live by everything that's in it...including the content that we would find objectionable.

    If it takes picking and choosing to make Islam acceptable, then really what does that say about Islam itself? (and similarly Christianity...although my criticims of Christianity are a bit different than my criticisms of Islam).


    Criticizing Islam does not amount to "bigotry. " Islam is an ideology and as an ideology it should be subject to the same scrutiny and critical thinking that we apply to virtually everything else. To not do so would be unfair and intellectually bankrupt.
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    May 27, 2013 10:54 PM GMT
    As I atheist, I too favour a world free of religion.

    But trying to out-"intellectualise" people on message forums is serving no purpose other than to feed mis-informed stereotypes about Islam, and muslim people. The two are directly linked; you cannot define either without referencing the other.

    You could read up about a lot of awful terrible things that have been in the name of any of the world's religions at some point in history. So regurgitating them as ammunition on forums as if they're relevant today is unfair.

    You can learn a lot more about life and philosophy by living life and experiencing it, rather than just burying your nose in books and then regurgitating historical data.

    Go out there. Meet some muslims and befriend them. Understand that they are each individuals with unique perspectives on how Islam is represented and how relevent it is in their lives. Ask them how they feel about how they feel represented by the world's media. Understand Islam as being a billion different people with a billion different ideas about what Islam stands for and represents.

    Oh, and that whole ending your statements with "go read up on your facts" and the like NEVER makes anyone look good.
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    May 27, 2013 11:28 PM GMT
    gayinterest saidAs I atheist, I too favour a world free of religion.

    But trying to out-"intellectualise" people on message forums is serving no purpose other than to feed mis-informed stereotypes about Islam, and muslim people. The two are directly linked; you cannot define either without referencing the other.

    You could read up about a lot of awful terrible things that have been in the name of any of the world's religions at some point in history. So regurgitating them as ammunition on forums as if they're relevant today is unfair.

    You can learn a lot more about life and philosophy by living life and experiencing it, rather than just burying your nose in books and then regurgitating historical data.

    Go out there. Meet some muslims and befriend them. Understand that they are each individuals with unique perspectives on how Islam is represented and how relevent it is in their lives. Ask them how they feel about how they feel represented by the world's media. Understand Islam as being a billion different people with a billion different ideas about what Islam stands for and represents.

    Oh, and that whole ending your statements with "go read up on your facts" and the like NEVER makes anyone look good.


    Why do you assume I don't know any Muslims or am not friends with any? As I said in my previous post, I have nothing against any individual Muslims as many of them are only culturally Muslim or they pick and choose what to follow (I know people who won't eat pork but still drink alcohol for instance). My problem is more or less with the Qur'an, its message and what it represents, and what it does to people.

    Have you read the Qur'an? Have you read any of the Hadith? Those aren't rhetorical questions. If you haven't, then your opinions of Islam are based nothing but anecdotes of the people you've met.

    If you read these texts, you'll come to the realization that the terrorists and fundamentalists aren't hijacking the faith or taking anything out of context. They are doing exactly what it says page after page in the Qur'an.

    I'm fully aware that most Muslims in the West (and in other places across the world too) are good people but it is despite Islam, not because of it.
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    May 27, 2013 11:57 PM GMT
    The same can be said for religious texts of any faith. Why single out one?

    If you need to hate, hate the concept of faith, not the faiths themselves. Contest the innate nature of human's tribalism, not these individual texts which are simply one manifestation of this nature.
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    May 27, 2013 11:58 PM GMT
    gayinterest saidThe same can be said for religious texts of any faith. Why single out one?

    If you need to hate, hate the concept of faith, not the faiths themselves. Contest the innate nature of human's tribalism, not these individual texts which are simply one manifestation of this nature.


    I'm not singling one religion out. I also wrote that I have plenty of criticisms about Christianity as well for instance. This is a thread about Islam so I'm criticizing Islam. If someone posted a thread about Christianity, we'd be talking about that instead (and indeed I have in past threads).

    But no two religions are exactly alike either. The PC idea that all religions basically teach the same thing but just call it something else is a lie. What's wrong with Islam is different from what's wrong with Christianity or what's wrong with Hinduism. So your blanket statement that "it can be said for texts of any faith" is not true.