Creatine?

  • BloodFlame

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    May 27, 2013 12:27 AM GMT
    Hi there guys. Well, I'm just curious about this substance.
    First off, I'm 5'10" and weight around 139-142 (it's on a scale) and my workout at the moment only contains 3-4 sets of 30-35-40 crunches 3 days a week (Wednesday, Thursday & Friday). I'm going to be adding squats, pushups, and when I get some dumbbells, bicep/chest exercises too. However, I do have trouble gaining weight. My metabolism is quite high like a lot of other ectomorphs.

    I've heard of this stuff called creatine but the few guys I've asked about it didn't recommend I use it. You see, I want to add some mass to myself (namely pecs, thighs, butt, and biceps) but I'm afraid that the creatine would bloat me out completely. I'm just going for a lean athletic build.

    I'm just very confused about this and felt this would be a good place to ask. I'm sorry that I'm kind of newbish to this type of thing but I'm just trying to learn.

    Thank you in advance for your answers.
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    May 27, 2013 12:43 AM GMT
    It supposedly causes muscle tissue to retain water and some blood so You keep moar of a pump.

    It ALWAYS makes Me nauseous. NOT worth it.

    Lift heavy, lift often, EAT.

    Period.
  • barriehomeboy

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    May 27, 2013 12:48 AM GMT
    It works. I'm old and have an incredible body for a guy my age because of it.
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    May 27, 2013 12:54 AM GMT
    You just need to eat. A lot.

    Start tracking your calories and get an idea for how much you eat. A fast metabolism and being a "hard gainer" doesn't mean you can't gain weight, it just means you need to be more vigilant about how you do it.
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    May 27, 2013 1:11 AM GMT
    Cash saidIt supposedly causes muscle tissue to retain water and some blood so You keep moar of a pump.

    It ALWAYS makes Me nauseous. NOT worth it.

    Lift heavy, lift often, EAT.

    Period.


    You forgot to mention that retaining water in your muscles, improves the recovery process. We are talking about fucking water here just to be clear lol



    To the OP. You can get Creatine from eggs, fish and red meats. It is one of the safest supplements you can get so feel free to try it out and let us know how it goes!
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    May 27, 2013 1:57 AM GMT
    Creatine is used to supplement the ATP-PCr system, which is one of the main energy systems your body uses during weight training, and other short-duration activities, e.g. sprints, plyometric exercises, etc. Adenosine triphosphate (ATP) is the main power source of all your cells. ATP is broken down into ADP (adenosine diphosphate) with the removal (through hydrlolysis) of a phosphate group. This releases a relatively large amount of energy.

    And phosphocreatine (PCr) helps to generate more ATP from ADP with the help of the enzyme creatine kinase (CK). The theory is the more creatine present in the muscles, the more PCr there is, increasing the muscle cells' ability to resynthesize ATP from ADP, then you're able to meet the demands of increasing physical activity. The muscle gains people see with creatine supplementation is from the ability to work their muscles harder because of the extra stores of PCr they get with creating supplementation. However, water follows creatine. Since creatine enters the muscles, water also follows it and also enters the muscles. This gives the appearance of myogenic (muscle cell) hypertrophy (growth), even though it is not TRUE hypertrophy. But that's just a little fyi. I like to make sure people know what it is they're putting in their bodies.

    It's fine to supplement it short-term (3-5 g, some "cycle" it) with a good diet, and since you have a high metabolism, then obviously a high calorie diet (good calories) would be ideal for you, since you'll also be training. There are lots of calorie calculators out there to look at and lots of suggestions for food intake depending on goals.
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    May 27, 2013 2:47 AM GMT
    Take it. It works.
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    May 27, 2013 3:01 AM GMT
    Cash saidIt supposedly causes muscle tissue to retain water and some blood so You keep moar of a pump.

    It ALWAYS makes Me nauseous. NOT worth it.

    Lift heavy, lift often, EAT.

    Period.


    Yeah, it tastes like shit and makes me nauseous too. I tried it for a while but I made progress without it anyway.
  • BloodFlame

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    May 27, 2013 3:26 AM GMT
    Hmm that's interesting. I think I may try it just to see what happens and if I don't like it, I can always stop it.

    With that said, what are other substances that help? I've heard of this "Whey Protein" stuff but it tasted kind of weird lol But yeah, any others worth a try?
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    May 27, 2013 4:04 AM GMT
    Given all conditions right, creatine will volumize your muscles, and help mildly with your endurance in a resistance training setting. You can research the effects of creatine, using any modern search tool.

    For someone like you, under weight, and not doing a full body work out, the best advice is this:

    1. Train all your body parts in a resistance mode.
    2. Abs are mostly a function of leanness. While high rep crunches might do a bit to tone them, the visibility comes from diet and cardio.
    3. You need to eat. You are very under weight, and calories are not just how you gain weight, but, how you get lean, and how you get strong, and, eventually, you become muscular. SPEND YOUR MONEY ON FOOD. EAT. As you gain more muscle, your basil metabolic rate will rise; you'll need to eat more, and you'll stay leaner.
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    May 27, 2013 9:59 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidGiven all conditions right, creatine will volumize your muscles, and help mildly with your endurance in a resistance training setting. You can research the effects of creatine, using any modern search tool.

    For someone like you, under weight, and not doing a full body work out, the best advice is this:

    1. Train all your body parts in a resistance mode.
    2. Abs are mostly a function of leanness. While high rep crunches might do a bit to tone them, the visibility comes from diet and cardio.
    3. You need to eat. You are very under weight, and calories are not just how you gain weight, but, how you get lean, and how you get strong, and, eventually, you become muscular. SPEND YOUR MONEY ON FOOD. EAT. As you gain more muscle, your basil metabolic rate will rise; you'll need to eat more, and you'll stay leaner.


    Thank you for the advice. It really helps.
    To comment on 2., I actually do walk a lot (I have no car) so everywhere I go is done by bus and walking and I feel this kind of helps me.

    And the general thing about eating is I do eat but I obviously need to eat more. I think the trouble is that I'm not hungry all the time but when I do eat, I don't eat little, just an average portion like maybe a chicken breast or fish with salad/fruits, and water/milk. But okay, I'll try to eat more.

    As for the underweight comment, I never really knew I was. I'm 5'10 at 137-140, it fluctuates a lot. It's not like I'm trying to go anorexic or anything.

    Nevertheless, again thank you for the advice and I'll keep it in mind.
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    Jun 17, 2013 3:00 AM GMT
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dimaggio2.htm

    This was a very informative page I found. I'm just starting out with Creatine. I have an ectomorphic body type, so I am not broad shouldered at all. Consequently, I have had some injuries to rotator cuff muscles, and IF I have any back pain it is always my upper back. I'm really working on getting stronger through my core, upper back, arms, and shoulders. I am hoping for some size gains, too. We'll see.

    I think you need to make sure to drink a lot of water, however, which could be the reason for some people not tolerating it well on an empty stomach. I had not issue, and used it in my post workout smoothie. Very slight taste to it, but mostly it is gritty, so mix it with something thick!