The Unemployed being discarded why those who have jobs are territorial, even with who they have for friends.

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    May 29, 2013 5:19 PM GMT
    Today the only way to get a job is by who you know , kiss ass or bend over for .
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    May 29, 2013 5:23 PM GMT
    I agree that there are some fields where it helps knowing the right people. This is especially true in the entertainment/media industry. However, no one is going to deny someone an interview when they have an incredible CV with credible, supportive references.
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    May 29, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    KKim11 saidI agree that there are some fields where it helps knowing the right people. This is especially true in the entertainment/media industry. However, no one is going to deny someone an interview when they have an incredible CV with credible, supportive references.


    The entertainment industry would be more entertaining if they supported all talented people, rather than just expensively educated, well connected people. Some artists are misfits who dont make it through the system, and they often wither on the vine.

    The education system is partly to blame. For example, you can't teach creativity, but you can certainly squelch it, by trying to force a genius poet to learn logarithms. Only average people can be jacks of all trades, which means people with 4.0's are not the only ones whose voices should be considered.
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    May 29, 2013 6:10 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    KKim11 saidI agree that there are some fields where it helps knowing the right people. This is especially true in the entertainment/media industry. However, no one is going to deny someone an interview when they have an incredible CV with credible, supportive references.


    The entertainment industry would be more entertaining if they supported all talented people, rather than just expensively educated, well connected people. Some artists are misfits who dont make it through the system, and they often wither on the vine.

    The education system is partly to blame. For example, you can't teach creativity, but you can certainly squelch it, by trying to force a genius poet to learn logarithms. Only average people can be jacks of all trades, which means people with 4.0's are not are not the only ones whose voices should be considered.


    I agree that the education system is partly to blame. But IMHO, education system puts a quantitative measure on things so that things won't subjective or would be less subjective to a certain degree. And by making things less subjective or to individual interpretation, it gives a universal agreement or satisfaction of a candidates abilities based on past candidates that they may have hired with similar grades/school background as well as experiences.
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    May 29, 2013 6:18 PM GMT
    KKim11 said
    HottJoe said
    KKim11 saidI agree that there are some fields where it helps knowing the right people. This is especially true in the entertainment/media industry. However, no one is going to deny someone an interview when they have an incredible CV with credible, supportive references.


    The entertainment industry would be more entertaining if they supported all talented people, rather than just expensively educated, well connected people. Some artists are misfits who dont make it through the system, and they often wither on the vine.

    The education system is partly to blame. For example, you can't teach creativity, but you can certainly squelch it, by trying to force a genius poet to learn logarithms. Only average people can be jacks of all trades, which means people with 4.0's are not are not the only ones whose voices should be considered.


    I agree that the education system is partly to blame. But IMHO, education system puts a quantitative measure on things so that things won't subjective or would be less subjective to a certain degree. And by making things less subjective or to individual interpretation, it gives a universal agreement or satisfaction of a candidates abilities based on past candidates that they may have hired with similar grades/school background as well as experiences.


    I'm speaking for the ones who fall through the cracks, simply because they can't be molded to fit into that so called universal agreement. Originality is often sparked by people who break the mold, not by the ones who fit perfectly into it.
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    May 29, 2013 6:26 PM GMT
    I will speak of the music industry, as it's the one I know best.

    If it's about who you know, then - even if you're shy - you've just got to bite the bullet and MEET PEOPLE! Make those connections.

    As a producer and performing artist I discovered pretty quickly that sitting in my bedroom making music and sending out demos was not gonna get me signed to a big label. You need to show that you're serious and dedicated before anyone will take you seriously.

    I work damn hard on self-promotion, getting myself gigs - often unpaid, self-releasing music and releasing music for free with net-labels. Each gig I do I make sure I connect well with the promoters and other artists, as well as the audience - you never know who's there! I always meet someone who, somewhere down the road, will be able to help me out.

    Unless a label sees that you're putting yourself out there and putting the effort it, they won't touch you!

    With regards to more corporate jobs, the same often applies. For my current day job I had to undergo a through application form, a telephone interview, an in-person interview (which was held during a company event) - I stayed hours later than asked of me, networked with clients, helped out with the running of the day. I then had to undergo and internship and prove my dedication to the company before being taken on with the number of hours I wanted.

    I was out of work for about a year recently, and applied for 100+ jobs before securing my current day job. I never isolate friends for being unemployed because I've been there myself.

    Times are tough, economically. So you've got to prove yourself now, more than ever!
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    May 29, 2013 6:36 PM GMT
    I completely agree that originality is sparked by people who break the mold. But all of them have a certain degree of education that has led them with the origin of originality.
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    May 29, 2013 6:41 PM GMT
    KKim11 saidI completely agree that originality is sparked by people who break the mold. But all of them have a certain degree of education that has led them with the origin of originality.


    That's true. You can't be a writer without learning to read.
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    May 29, 2013 6:45 PM GMT
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    KKim11 saidI completely agree that originality is sparked by people who break the mold. But all of them have a certain degree of education that has led them with the origin of originality.


    That's true. You can't be a writer without learning to read.


    Yeah exactly. If you look at figures like Mozart and Bill Gates, they all had previous extensive knowledge that allowed them to venture off into their own expression of creativity.
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    May 29, 2013 6:49 PM GMT
    KKim11 saidI completely agree that originality is sparked by people who break the mold. But all of them have a certain degree of education that has led them with the origin of originality.


    I feel originality in a sense, comes from ones creativity. Some one mentioned above that creativity can not be taught, necessarily. I feel it's a innate ability, or something one is born with. You can mimic, and use one's knowledge, and education of to amplify the trait in hand, but never will it be in comparison as those who are blessed with that talent subconsciously.
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    May 29, 2013 7:16 PM GMT
    Homesteaders saidToday the only way to get a job is by who you know , kiss ass or bend over for .

    I've got news for you, that's the way it's always been, unless you meet some tax break quota.
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    May 29, 2013 7:20 PM GMT
    Cronyism is very much alive and in every industry even the most menial such as fast food. People trust other people over a piece of paper that someone has spruced up so much that even the bees are trying to pollinate it.